Oh, sure, I mentioned as much. You won’t have time to get out of the way, but that would be the only logical time to try. That is, if you assume that jumping into FTL inside the system (only possible choice) won’t A) crash you and the weapon won’t affect the FTL tunnel.
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Also, relay jumps are instantaneous per codex. Therefore, Normandy is not doing a relay jump.
Indeed. I agree it's not a relay jump visually either - it looks a bit like the ME1 FTL scene.
Omega-4.
I'm afraid you're going to have to elaborate for my possibly unintelligent mind.
I hate to say it, but I did predict it in a post a few weeks ago. About Hackett ordering the fleet to retreat through the relay.
And I've subsequently posted the plotholes from hell and ridiculousness ways of how the team got aboard the ship. And did anyone take me seriously? No. Why? Because I did it in such a ludicrous manner that it would only work in a Mel Brooks spoof on the series.
And it looks like it is getting closer to the truth than we anticipated. Yikes.
And you guys say "Oh Joker. He's loyal. He'd never abandon Shepard." Wrong.
Well guess what? Joker is loyal to the Normandy. Joker is not loyal to Shepard. Joker would never abandon the Normandy. Joker got Shepard killed in the intro to ME2 by being a retard, and did Joker ever apologize for it? No. Not one time did Joker say "Hey, Commander. You know that stupid **** I did on the Normandy that got you killed that time? I'm really sorry about that. I felt horrible, and I mourned for two years. I'm glad they were able to bring you back from the dead." No. Not once. Not even anything close to that. Joker only cares about the Normandy, and now that EDI is the Normandy he really really only cares about the Normandy.
The problem with the ending is that there is no way to rationally explain anything from the beam hitting near Shepard to the "The Illusive Man" and from the end of "The Catalyst" to "Planet Gilligan" unless you want to throw out these sections altogether. They were horribly written.
I really think they should have tossed the ending from the Catalyst Scene onward altogether and rewrote that, but this was corporate politics taking place. They couldn't do it because of the positions of Mac Walters and Casey Hudson within Bioware. So they had to leave them intact and work around them and somehow explain the asinine logic of the scenes using even more asinine logic.
This is what I think is happening. I really would have hated to be on the EC team.
At the moment, what is really sad is that the multiplayer is the best part of Mass Effect 3.
Am I the only person that's ok with this EC? One of the big questions that needed to be answered at the end was: Why did Joker leave, and what happened to the rest of the crew? It looks they're answering that question to me.
You do remember that they didn't know what the Crucible was supposed to do, right?
It either stops Reapers or it doesn't. If it does, yay. If it doesn't, they're dead. If it's lethal to everyone, that's too bad. But since it's galaxy wide... HOW are you going to escape it?
If it's bad you are dead no matter what you do, if it's good you don't need to run. So just stay there!
Heck, they were even entirely sure that the catalyst would allow it to work properly.
They couldn't know it would hit ships in FTL, it's possible the second puls from the relays that exploded traveled at FTL whiel the initial explosion from the Crucible/citadel traveled at light speed or sublight speed.
The Crucible will affect all Reapers in the galaxy. They know this. The Crucible uses dark energy. They know this. The Crucible affects the relays. They know this.
It does not take a rocket scientist to realise it's going to propagate it's effect at FTL speeds sooner or later, and thus running is futile. Hackett, of all people, should know this.
They probably wanted to put some distance between themselves and the epicenter all the same. But in the end this is what BW decided to do, and what Hacket ordered.
Oh, sure, I mentioned as much. You won’t have time to get out of the way, but that would be the only logical time to try. That is, if you assume that jumping into FTL inside the system (only possible choice) won’t A) crash you and the weapon won’t affect the FTL tunnel.
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Also, relay jumps are instantaneous per codex. Therefore, Normandy is not doing a relay jump.
Indeed. I agree it's not a relay jump visually either - it looks a bit like the ME1 FTL scene.
Omega-4.
I'm afraid you're going to have to elaborate for my possibly unintelligent mind.
Missing the point. Relay travel is not instant no matter what the codex says. Again, use logic. How did the wave catch up to the Normandy if it didn't start travelling at FTL speeds until after hitting Charon?
Not Starchild - but they were told about the missing piece which was needed to make the Crucible work. They just didn't know what it was. That's why they assault Earth - to try and get the Citadel (which they think is or contains the Catalyst).
Am I the only person that's ok with this EC? One of the big questions that needed to be answered at the end was: Why did Joker leave, and what happened to the rest of the crew? It looks they're answering that question to me.
You're not the only one, we're plenty of people satisfied with how things seem to be turning out. We're just drowned in bile and hatred most of the time.
All radiation is at it's strongest at the epicenter, while the energy might be fine tuned to kill reapers it could probably harm others closer to the source than if it's been spreading thin over a couple of light years.
Not if it's about to fire - you wouldn't need to defend it. You just need to get out of its way.
Getting out of it's way does not equate to fleeing out of the damn system. Also, how do you get out of the way of a GALAXY WIDE wave?
What, did Hackett think he could flee the galaxy itself? All they've done is transfer the idiocy from Joker to Hackett. Because, you know, Hackett needed to look more stupid. Walters doesn't care what character he assassinates as long as he clings onto his "artistic statement".
Hackett was turned into a moron the moment Arrival rolled around. He's the perfect character to transfer idiocy to. And he wears it so well, too.
Al radiation is at it's strongest at the epicenter, while the energy might be fine tuned to kill reapers it could probably harm others closer to the source than if it's been spreading thin over a couple of light years.
Are you serious? Do you know how big the galaxy is? Do you realise that this wave is going to affect the entire galaxy?
Am I the only person that's ok with this EC? One of the big questions that needed to be answered at the end was: Why did Joker leave, and what happened to the rest of the crew? It looks they're answering that question to me.
Missing the point. Relay travel is not instant no matter what the codex says. Again, use logic. How did the wave catch up to the Normandy if it didn't start travelling at FTL speeds until after hitting Charon?
Well, physics and frame of reference.
To the crew inside the ship a travel through the relay could not feel instantaneous but for people viewing outside the relay it is.
Am I the only person that's ok with this EC? One of the big questions that needed to be answered at the end was: Why did Joker leave, and what happened to the rest of the crew? It looks they're answering that question to me.
You're not the only one, we're plenty of people satisfied with how things seem to be turning out. We're just drowned in bile and hatred most of the time.
Erixxxx wrote...
Catamantaloedis wrote...
And the crying continues.
Just ignore him, he's been crying non-stop since March 6th.
Belive its time for you to not act the victim after being the jack... moments before...
Oh, sure, I mentioned as much. You won’t have time to get out of the way, but that would be the only logical time to try. That is, if you assume that jumping into FTL inside the system (only possible choice) won’t A) crash you and the weapon won’t affect the FTL tunnel.
…
Also, relay jumps are instantaneous per codex. Therefore, Normandy is not doing a relay jump.
Indeed. I agree it's not a relay jump visually either - it looks a bit like the ME1 FTL scene.
Omega-4.
I'm afraid you're going to have to elaborate for my possibly unintelligent mind.
Missing the point. Relay travel is not instant no matter what the codex says. Again, use logic. How did the wave catch up to the Normandy if it didn't start travelling at FTL speeds until after hitting Charon?
Okay, fine. Codex wrong - I accept that.
I am suggesting it is an FTL jump, as you've gathered. Visually, that is consistent.
I also reject the suggestion the wave didn't start travelling at FTL speeds until after hitting Charon. It can be FTL without a mass relay, and if you look at Joker's computers while he is fleeing, there is a wave explosion from an epicentre while Joker is travelling.
The "wave" effect also occurs before there is a consistent beam to the Charon relay - (0.41)
As Joker is fleeing, (at 2.27) there is a gradual expansion, not a beam. Same wave?
Missing the point. Relay travel is not instant no matter what the codex says.
Relay travel is instant (or nearly so, realistically). It doesn’t take the 5+ seconds of the cutscene. Ergo, it’s not a relay jump.
Explain how the STL wave catches up to the FTL Normandy then.
I’ll point out that it is actually FTL in all the cinematics, but I’m not going to try to explain it. Like I said, any explanation they try except for ‘it was a dream’ is going to be complete and transparent BS.
Al radiation is at it's strongest at the epicenter, while the energy might be fine tuned to kill reapers it could probably harm others closer to the source than if it's been spreading thin over a couple of light years.
Are you serious? Do you know how big the galaxy is? Do you realise that this wave is going to affect the entire galaxy?
We could argue that technically Hackett doesn't know what the Crucible will do, so he might expect some kind of explosion he might want to the fleet get away from without looking worse than before. (Ok, that's ignoring that you usually don't FTL inside a system.)
Sucks to be human and alive on Earth then, with the Citadel and the Crucible right there and about to fire. Though, this could be mitigated if they acknowledged that Earth might be lost anyway.
Missing the point. Relay travel is not instant no matter what the codex says.
Relay travel is instant (or nearly so, realistically). It doesn’t take the 5+ seconds of the cutscene. Ergo, it’s not a relay jump.
Explain how the STL wave catches up to the FTL Normandy then.
I’ll point out that it is actually FTL in all the cinematics, but I’m not going to try to explain it. Like I said, any explanation they try except for ‘it was a dream’ is going to be complete and transparent BS.
If there is even the slightest possibility that the Crucible could also cause 'friendly fire,' it would make sense for Hackett to order all ships to disengage when it was ready to fire. This would redeem Joker.
While some people will still no doubt complain that Joker didn't save Shepard, that is based on unrealistic expectations. It is fact of life that sometimes you can't save everyone. For all we know there could have been 100 Reapers between the Normandy and the Crucible at the time that thing was ready to fire. Getting everyone on the Normandy killed while trying to rescue one man (or woman) would be nothing more than a pointless waste of life. The fact is that at that point Shepard is entirely expendable. Once he has completed his mission he's worth a lot less than the Normandy.
Hopefully there is some explanation as to how Shepard is rescued after the best destroy ending, *especially* if that breath scene takes place on Earth as everyone seems to speculate.
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