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[Dutch105]

IsaacShep wrote...

Oh snap The Angry One is back

The Angry One is alright.  I enjoy our discussions.

[The Angry One]

Dutch105 wrote...

Okay, fine.  Codex wrong - I accept that.

I am suggesting it is an FTL jump, as you've gathered.  Visually, that is consistent.

I also reject the suggestion the wave didn't start travelling at FTL speeds until after hitting Charon.  It can be FTL without a mass relay, and if you look at Joker's computers while he is fleeing, there is a wave explosion from an epicentre while Joker is travelling.

The "wave" effect also occurs before there is a consistent beam to the Charon relay - (0.41)

As Joker is fleeing, (at 2.27) there is a gradual expansion, not a beam.  Same wave?

Or perhaps I'm just trying too hard!

At the distances involved with FTL travel, the Crucible wave should be covering the entire background.
It is not. It's "following" the Normandy, expanding due to proximity.

[WaffleVoyager]

Apocaleepse360 wrote...

Wow, is that Garrus back there? But he was with me on Earth. Looks like they still haven't sorted that problem out.

There was a cut scene on youtube at somepoint (maybe still there) with Shep telling Liara and Garrus to fall back; while the Normandy apporaches. Maybe they've polished that and put it back in the game?

[The Angry One]

Alright guys, let's set the Joker thing aside.
You know what this implies, right?

The entire fleet fled. Therefore, the Crucible wave caught up to them and shredded their engines, causing them to crash on remote planets (if they're lucky) or break apart/drift in deep space.

The good news: Nobody from the fleet will starve to death in Sol!
The bad news: Because they're all dead or stranded on remote planets.

[TobiTobsen]

The Angry One wrote...

NightWolfPT wrote...

http://na.llnet.biow...ed_cut-05-p.jpg

A Geth and Tali on Rannoch?
Wonderful idea in principle. Wonder how they'll explain that one without space magic.

What do you mean? Explain? 

Hell no! Lots of speculations!

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 22 juin 2012 - 08:03 .

[skarbonke]

so crew re-unite is impossible?

[Dutch105]

The Angry One wrote...

Dutch105 wrote...

Okay, fine.  Codex wrong - I accept that.

I am suggesting it is an FTL jump, as you've gathered.  Visually, that is consistent.

I also reject the suggestion the wave didn't start travelling at FTL speeds until after hitting Charon.  It can be FTL without a mass relay, and if you look at Joker's computers while he is fleeing, there is a wave explosion from an epicentre while Joker is travelling.

The "wave" effect also occurs before there is a consistent beam to the Charon relay - (0.41)

As Joker is fleeing, (at 2.27) there is a gradual expansion, not a beam.  Same wave?

Or perhaps I'm just trying too hard!

At the distances involved with FTL travel, the Crucible wave should be covering the entire background.
It is not. It's "following" the Normandy, expanding due to proximity.

Hmmm... interesting.  But isn't is expanding to fill the background as well as appearing bigger because of perception?  A bit further on in that scene is looks like a more solid background (2.34 onwards)

From the wave scene earlier after the crucible fires, the camera is fixed and we see the explosion expanding in all directions- not just a matter of proximity there.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

skarbonke wrote...

so crew re-unite is impossible?

Yep, so best ending is Destroy with scorched earth.

[Quietness]

skarbonke wrote...

so crew re-unite is impossible?

honestly, they'll magic it on the "good" red ending is my guess.

[Dutch105]

The Angry One wrote...

Alright guys, let's set the Joker thing aside.
You know what this implies, right?

The entire fleet fled. Therefore, the Crucible wave caught up to them and shredded their engines, causing them to crash on remote planets (if they're lucky) or break apart/drift in deep space.

The good news: Nobody from the fleet will starve to death in Sol!
The bad news: Because they're all dead or stranded on remote planets.

But we don't have the info to make any further comment on that - no single picture to speculate on!

[Dutch105]

skarbonke wrote...

so crew re-unite is impossible?

I very much doubt they are going to dare to pull that one given the feedback that this is what people want (it is mentioned in the podcast obliquely).  Of course, if Shep is dead, such a reunion will be impossible (but he's not dead in all endings)

[TMA LIVE]

Well, the codec brings up the possibility of Relay explosions possibly missing a Garden Planet. Anyway you could figure which planet it could miss?

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 22 juin 2012 - 08:09 .

[lordofdogtown19]

G Kevin wrote...

Crew. must. be. reunited.

Please EC, make it so.

 

[thesnake777]

JPN17 wrote...

The problem with that is the crucible doesn't do anything until Shep picks an RGB ending so by that time the crucible starts firing and it's too late to get away. Having a rear guard is possible. We'll see what happens I guess.

Oh I am not saying its a smart or succesful move. Even with a retreat like that I would think the reapers would go to town on everything. I am just point out possiby directions they could go with to make it happen. if they had a rear guard to hold it they could possible clear the blast radiious..or hide behind some of the adjacent planets. 

[Fail_Inc]

They are missing the point, even if you tell how it comes out of your mouth, artistic or not the vomit is still a vomit. It smells, looks horrible.. probably tastes horrible...

Still to be fair, that screenshot makes sense and I hope they add something like Joker saying **** it im not leaving without shep and stopped/persuaded by virmire survivor or someone else. At least give "Joker won't leave shep alone" people something... That's the whole point of this EC right? Giving people what they want without "ruining" their "artistic vision" ?

[The Angry One]

Dutch105 wrote...

skarbonke wrote...

so crew re-unite is impossible?

I very much doubt they are going to dare to pull that one given the feedback that this is what people want (it is mentioned in the podcast obliquely).  Of course, if Shep is dead, such a reunion will be impossible (but he's not dead in all endings)

It would go against their "artistic statement" remember.

[OchreJelly]

Guess Bioware really wants the Magical Crash on Adam and Eve Allusion Planet ending.

*sigh* \\o/

Stargazer's probably gonna get a 30 minute monologue now...

[Dutch105]

The Angry One wrote...

Dutch105 wrote...

skarbonke wrote...

so crew re-unite is impossible?

I very much doubt they are going to dare to pull that one given the feedback that this is what people want (it is mentioned in the podcast obliquely).  Of course, if Shep is dead, such a reunion will be impossible (but he's not dead in all endings)

It would go against their "artistic statement" remember.

No, because it doesn't involve changing and retconning the three final choices.  That goes against their artistic statement.  A crew re-unite is possible in some of those choices.

[lillitheris]

The Angry One wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

I’ll point out that it is actually FTL in all the cinematics, but I’m not going to try to explain it. Like I said, any explanation they try except for ‘it was a dream’ is going to be complete and transparent BS.

www.youtube.com/watch

Control ending in the middle. Crucible wave visibly not travelling at FTL hits Charon relay.

I don’t see what you mean. If it takes < 4 hours for the wave to get to Charon, it’s FTL (can you guess why? Exactly, because it takes that long for light to get there.) Also, see the galaxy map cinematic.

I don’t really even understand what you‘re arguing for or against here. The scene makes no sense. None. It is impossible to ‘make it work’.

Modifié par lillitheris, 22 juin 2012 - 08:19 .

[mcz2345]

That is what I said from the very beginning

[Dutch105]

lillitheris wrote...

I don’t see what you mean. If it takes < 5 hours for the wave to get to Charon, it’s FTL (can you guess why?). Also, see the galaxy map cinematic.

I don’t really even understand what you‘re arguing for or against here. The scene makes no sense. None. It is impossible to ‘make it work’.

I believe Angry One is agreeing with you that the scene makes no sense.  That would mean they are arguing against it making sense.  Which is a position that can be held, since you're holding it!

[Gravbh]

This thread is just a taste of the sweet, sweet rage that will consume this forum on June 26, regardless of what the thing actually contains.

I can't wait.

[Greed1914]

The Angry One wrote...

Alright guys, let's set the Joker thing aside.
You know what this implies, right?

The entire fleet fled. Therefore, the Crucible wave caught up to them and shredded their engines, causing them to crash on remote planets (if they're lucky) or break apart/drift in deep space.

The good news: Nobody from the fleet will starve to death in Sol!
The bad news: Because they're all dead or stranded on remote planets.

There is also the clear problem with timing.  The fleet is still fighting while Starkid talks, so somehow the order was given and all the ships were bailing within what? Seconds?  Maybe minutes?  Unless that is changed somehow, it doesn't add up.

[mcz2345]

I think you should all just calm down, accept the ending and enjoy ME3 for what it is and not hate it for what it isn't

[Joe Del Toro]

Oh you have to be kidding me.