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Yeaahhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!! i love you guys. its been fixed.

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all of this talk of EMS and whatever, is a moot point because the immersion I had in the first two games is utterly broken in the 3rd because of the completely off-point lip syncing issues. Its like watching a samurai movie from the late 70s with bad over-dub.

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Michael Gamble wrote...

If you replay (as suggested) from before the attack on Cerberus Base, i believe the required EMS is ~3100 to see all the scenes. That should allow you to see everything even without MP (6200 Assets@ 50% readiness rating)

That should answer the question on the thread.


Thank you very much for a concrete number.  I personally appreciate knowing this as I can now be confident my Shep will experience the full EC.

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Jvolikas wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

If you replay (as suggested) from before the attack on Cerberus Base, i believe the required EMS is ~3100 to see all the scenes. That should allow you to see everything even without MP (6200 Assets@ 50% readiness rating)

That should answer the question on the thread.


Thank you very much for a concrete number.  I personally appreciate knowing this as I can now be confident my Shep will experience the full EC.


Indeed, it is great that this is finally the way they said it would be from the begining.  But my brother in Pennsylvania has no internets.  He can never see all the scenes at all, because he only has the game out of the box, which is still not a complete product.

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VinHikaru wrote...

"mad skillz" from Halo and of Call of Duty


That's very funny ! :D:D

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ImTopHat wrote...

So this is the first time I play through Mass Effect 3, took me some time to actually buy it since I knew about the ****y ending. But yeah, so I stopped right before the attack on the Cerberus Base now and I'm waiting for the Extended Cut. 

But is it safe for me to bring any of my squadmates in the last mission without any of them dying if my EMS is ~3100? I'm not really 100% sure about how everything works. And does it matter now with the EC if I have more or less readiness rating?


I'm not sure where but I remember reading that if your EMS is too low your squadmates that you take to Earth get killed.  But with the EC fix on EMS I'm confident you'll be safe with over 3100.

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I just attained over 4000 EMS not too long ago, so i'm good to go :D

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wow i have been playing multiplayer all weekend would have been nice to know this like on friday or saturday

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11.2k EMS I hope the EC delivers

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So we can get this best ending with just ~3100 EMS?

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Okay, 3100 is good. I can do that. Next comes the moment of truth. Tomorrow we will all see what this extended cut is made of (literally!).

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VinHikaru wrote...

Multiplayer is especially difficult for players like me who like playing Single Player on a casual setting. I'm a grad student, I really don't have that much time to play video games, and so when I do play them to relax I like to have the difficulty setting at a level where I'm not dying every two minutes. I'm not a great FPS player, so when I suddenly am forced to play Multiplayer with other people who've developed "mad skillz" from Halo and Call of Duty it really leaves me in the dust.

And yes, I usually play Bronze level matches. Still tough for a gamer like me. I always feel bad making other players stop whatever they're doing to revive me. And sometimes they don't bother to revive me, in which case my experience of "playing" multiplayer is really more a case of "watch these talented players with all these other characters you can't unlock kill all the bad guys until you respawn only to die again a few minutes later."

Forcing players to engage in multiplayer to get the most out of single-player, *when consumers were told that they could get everything in single player without playing multiplayer*, is frustrating.


Exactly!

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"3100 is good. Your fanbase will be pleased"

"I hate that guy"

"The devs fix a bug, so you hate them?"

"'Fixing a bug' is when you correct an acknowledged error. 'Giving your fanbase the finger' is when you suddenly start pretending there was no bug in the first place. Besides, Bioware are trouble. I haven't trusted them since that whole Human Reaper episode with the glowy eye. And don't get me started on Dragon Age 2"

"You're paranoid. They simply made a mistake, and now they're fixing it"

"Well that's the official story. Except it isn't - the official story now is that there never was a mistake in the first place. Which is different to the official story then. So only an idiot believes the official story."

"FANBASE! Status report!"

Modifié par nullobject, 26 juin 2012 - 07:40 .


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coolbeans wrote...

Kub666 wrote...

Aaah, your search kung fu is better than mine, coolbeans. Browsing through old threads I did find this little treasure:

http://social.biowar...735/18#10768549

Chris Priestly wrote...

We are not lying and will not allow such accusations here.

LOCKDOWN!


Good times.


I know, its kinda tempting to go back and report him for trolling in light of the recent statements:)


Now that is temptingImage IPB


Thank you Mr Gamble.
Finally after more than 3 months, they've brought down the EMS value so no one is forced to play multiplayer or an app! Just like they promised before the game was out.

Modifié par Gtacatalina, 26 juin 2012 - 08:02 .


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So I was freaking out a few minutes ago, when I realized I was just a few hundred away from the required 3100 EMS, and it was already locked in, and I don't have XBL, so I can't play MP to bring up my readiness rating. I JUST NOW realized that the free Datapad app has a feature that raises your galactic readiness. I could have used this these past 3 months. Mega fail on my part. Sigh.

Anyway, fixing the EMS issue was probably my biggest priority with EC, so I'm VERY glad it was lowered so that people without XBL can feasibly get the ending where Shepard wakes up. We're off to a good start!

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coolbeans wrote...

Kub666 wrote...

Lalalandia wrote...
In my opinion I think defensiveness over the choices made in relation to the plot has spilled over into a general reluctance to admit fault over any design choice or error. I still believe that what happened was that they simply lost count of how many EMS points were available to SP players after the inevitable content cuts that every project has as deadlines loom. Of course I've no basis for doing so as 'it's fixed' is all the explanation we're getting it seems.


Remember couple of months ago, there was a post of a guy claiming that he got a PM from Brenon Holmes, in which Brenon said that he talked to the developer named Bjorn, who confirmed that you need MP / iOS apps to achieve 4k EMS? So if that's true - and I have no reason to doubt Brenon, who was nice enough to check it, nor the guy who posted it - then they knew all along, and all this "we are investigating the issue" was just bollocks.


Its page 60 of the megathread that was LOCKDOWNED

crimzontearz wrote...


I have it in my PM Box...but here is the quote

Brenon Holmes
08:41
AM 2012-03-19 Hmm, so Bjorn is back - asked about some of that stuff.
Turns out your suspicions were correct - you can't get enough assets
with the main game alone to get that additional secret bit. He says in
order to get enough you do need to engage in one of the side games (MP,
Facebook or IOS thingie).


We never saw the original, but yeah I'm sure they "investigated" it real hard <_<

I haven't seen that post before! And that was posted on the 19th MarchImage IPB

Although I'm very glad they've now fixed this issue, I feel very disappointed that they didn't deliver what they promised in the first place and the way Bioware devs have treated us on the forums with the constant Lockdowns and quotes of 'We do not lie'', ''You can get 4000EMS'' etc. When it seems from that post they obviously knew about the issue.
Because of this I'll not be pre ordering DA3. This will be the first time in ages I'll not have pre ordered a Bioware CE game. I'll be checking out what the customers say about DA3 and then make my decision to buy or not.

Modifié par Gtacatalina, 26 juin 2012 - 08:57 .


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Gtacatalina wrote...

Although I'm very glad they've now fixed this issue, I feel very disappointed that they didn't deliver what they promised in the first place and the way Bioware devs have treated us on the forums with the constant Lockdowns and quotes of 'We do not lie'', ''You can get 4000EMS'' etc. When it seems from that post they obviously knew about the issue.
Because of this I'll not be pre ordering DA3. This will be the first time in ages I'll not have pre ordered a Bioware CE game. I'll be checking out what the customers say about DA3 and then make my decision to buy or not.


Ditto!  "This will be the first time in ages I'll not have pre ordered a Bioware CE game"

A faithful Bioware customer I am no longer, given the 3-month (rollercoaster) ride they took us on.

Modifié par 7isMagic, 26 juin 2012 - 09:15 .


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Szuli wrote...

-Draikin- wrote...

coolbeans wrote...
Thanks Mike, thats one question answered, Heres another:  Why did you deliberately lie about the EMS/multiplayer issue from prerelease until now?

I know I speak for quite a few customers when I say that the handling of this issue has destroyed the trust between Bioware and ourselves.

They're not going to answer, that much is obvious.  We already know the answer anyway. But I'm particularly amazed at the people thanking Michael Gamble here. I already understand that Bioware sees no problem whatsoever with what they did. But for the fans to accept this... that just means it's going to happen again. This is something that we as consumers should not be willing to accept, and yet that's exactly what's happening here. It's just dumbfounding, really.


I understand what you mean but I personally don't want to always just complain and never acknowledge it if they actually give an answer about something.

I agree though about how they treated this whole issue (which shouldn't have been an issue to begin with) and that they are not going to answer the question about the false statements.

And I definitely have not forgiven them and won't trust them again. But I felt it was still a civil thing to do to thank Mike Gamble for at least coming in here and give a real number, instead of ignoring us and/or just saying something on Twitter.


My thoughts exactly.  Believe me, I won't forget this issue, nor do I forgive them for the way they treated their customers.  But it was the right thing to do, thanking Mr. Gamble for FINALLY doing the right thing and answering our question in an OFFICIAL forum.    

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nullobject wrote...

"3100 is good. Your fanbase will be pleased"

"I hate that guy"

"The devs fix a bug, so you hate them?"

"'Fixing a bug' is when you correct an acknowledged error. 'Giving your fanbase the finger' is when you suddenly start pretending there was no bug in the first place. Besides, Bioware are trouble. I haven't trusted them since that whole Human Reaper episode with the glowy eye. And don't get me started on Dragon Age 2"

"You're paranoid. They simply made a mistake, and now they're fixing it"

"Well that's the official story. Except it isn't - the official story now is that there never was a mistake in the first place. Which is different to the official story then. So only an idiot believes the official story."

"FANBASE! Status report!"


Thanks for the laugh! Image IPB

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Next time it might be a good idea to create DLC out of the MP or at least let us choose if we wish single player DLC or a multiplayer one, because there are people who do not care about MP element, myself included in that group. It was VERY annoying to know that you cannot get the best ending without playing MP before and fix as this is just you saying "Ok, if you have not played MP by now, you probably won't, so we will stop bothering you with it and give you the option for the best ending right away".

Well, thank you for giving me a full SP experience possibility a few months after the game is released. >:/

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Does Shepard still die in synthesis?

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Pangaron wrote...

Next time it might be a good idea to create DLC out of the MP or at least let us choose if we wish single player DLC or a multiplayer one, because there are people who do not care about MP element...


i played mp and it isnt so bad, but i didnt like "needfull mp idea" in single player game
sometimes i replay old games and where i would find a mp squad lets say after 3 years ? :P

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Do I still need 5000ems to see any additional things for destroy/shepard breath ?

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I understand that this is good for players who don't like to play MP at all, but on the other hand, it makes my 7000 EMS pretty useless, or the effort getting it so high.

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Mafia_Steve wrote...

My N7 squad asset is more powerful than the Krogan, Turian, and Asari combined........Somehow.


my N7 asset is at 7200 in 98% readiness.