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[Cydz]

kotor was amazing when it came, i'm a huge star wars fan and i really loved that game, but it got dated and dragon age is full with improved stuff that new games got nowdays making it more pleasant to play and it got just as good story as kotor did so it would be a tie for me but DA is newer and all that so it wins in the end due to having more sophisticated stuff in it.

[OneBadAssMother]

Yeah nowadays KOTOR is too old and overkilled to play.

Its too bad I spoiled the KOTOR plot already for my wife, she only got into games first with ME (yet she was only watching/directing), but she fully got involved in DA:O as a better player then me.



Gameplay-wise, DA:O wins. KOTOR was too much of a easy playthrough. Unfortunately, looks like some folk are complaining now because DA:O has re-adopted BG/BG2's difficulty and tactical gameplay... *sigh*

[danielkx]

OneBadAssMother wrote...

In my opinion KOTOR's plot is FAAAAAAAAR better then any of the Star Wars movies.

I don't even think it's possible to re-create such a twist like that, I haven't seen any ever since.

IMO, JE had a better twist, and the best twist of any video game ever... although the best video game plot easily goes to Deus Ex.

Combat/gameplay and characters goes to DA, while overall plot goes to Kotor. Also, replayability goes to DA imo. Overall, it isn't as easy for me to say kotor is better because. For the first playthrough, kotor is probably better, but on consecutive playthroughs, DA is superior. With that said, I did play kotor 6 times through.

But I am not a fan of D&D in general, especially the combat systems (I dislike them in video games). If kotor could be recreated using the DA combat mechanisms, that would be fantastic... although there are already similarities (kotor uses a mana system as opposed to any kind of cooldown).

Edit: One thing that made kotor less replayable than DA is that your character is centered around being  a jedi/dark jedi. Therefore, using lightsabre and the force feels like a must, even though you can choose not to do so. In DA, choosing any play style has its benefits, even though certain classes/talents are more powerful, so there is more variety in your character vs kotor being jedi/forced centered.

Modifié par danielkx, 14 décembre 2009 - 02:42 .

[Aesira]

Yes, Pantom Menace my  ..ss
If only Lucas took KOTOR script and film it, my oh my
The guy who wrote KOTOR is one helluva genius, hands down

OneBadAssMother wrote...

In my opinion KOTOR's plot is FAAAAAAAAR better then any of the Star Wars movies.

I don't even think it's possible to re-create such a twist like that, I haven't seen any ever since.

[OneBadAssMother]

JE's plot is the runner up sure. Personally I prefer the twist in KOTOR. But I have to agree, JE's plot twist was seriously good. I had my eyes popped too, how the heck would you see that coming? lol

One thing I was disappointed about with ME, was the lack of tactical options. I had a break from gaming but had the urge for squad tactical combat, ME came into the picture, then I got JE after. DA:O however, really made it gameplay-wise. A lot of folk complain about combat being too difficult.

But after running around as an invincible player in all previous Bioware games except the BG classics... DA:O was what I've been craving for all these years.

Aesira wrote...

Yes, Pantom Menace my  ..ss
If only Lucas took KOTOR script and film it, my oh my
The guy who wrote KOTOR is one helluva genius, hands down

Heh I know, KOTOR's twist can only be described in four letters -> E.P.I.C.

Modifié par OneBadAssMother, 14 décembre 2009 - 02:59 .

[ReapersDelight]

KOTOR wins by a longshot, the plot for both games were next 2 flawless, but dragon age is still a stunning game, with a excellent plot

[Pseron Wyrd]

OneBadAssMother wrote...

Yeah nowadays KOTOR is too old and overkilled to play.

This is the funniest thing I've read all day. Thanks for the laugh.

[OneBadAssMother]

What? I've overkilled it already in the past lol

Tis just truth!

Modifié par OneBadAssMother, 14 décembre 2009 - 03:28 .

[MGeezer]

KotoR had a very cool plot.



But that's it. DAO equals it for characters and world creation. It is vastly superior on combat--and given the bulk of your time in both games is spent fighting stuff, better combat gives DAO the edge.



I know other will differ, but I found KotoR combat--umm, well, to be polite, let's just say it was so ridiculously easy that it never interfered with moving the plot forward. For me, DAO combat is a fun and interesting challenge.

[Marso40]

KOTOR will always rank as one of the top 1 or 2 VG I have ever played. Compared to DAO:



Replayability: KOTOR.

Plot: KOTOR

Combat System: KOTOR

NPC's: DAO

Party Chat: DAO



This is not meant to take anything away from DAO: easily the best game I've played in the past 5 years. KOTOR, however, was something very, very special, given my utter devotion to SW since age 8 (since ruined by CW... )



Between DAO and KOTOR I simply have to raise my drinking horn, cry WASSAIL! and drink to Bioware. They shall all dwell in Valhalla forever.

[Marso40]

The last post won't let me edit for some reason; combat in DAO trumps KOTOR. That was an 'oops'.

[moffittman22]

KOTOR was my first RPG; I couldn't have pick a better one to start with. The feeling of I can influence the direction of the game (up to then I was many play FPS and RTS) was priceless. So on nostalgia alone it beats DAO. Then there's the story of KOTOR WOW! That moment when you discover your true identity. However it loses marks from being associated with KOTOR 2 and the second trilogy. However it still my favourite game of all time.

[JO2D4N]

Noone ever seems to bring up Jade Empire, which was far better than KOTOR. However, Dragon Age is the clear winner in this bout.

[Burningwolf]

And the one game to trump them both?

Torment.Yea its a DnD game but...Dang is it a good one.

[Coastwatcher]

Grey Warden Treaties quest = Search for the Star Forge maps quest

[Edelwolf]

gameplay is the most important



combat: DAO > kotor

character customization: DAO > kotor

[moffittman22]

Coas****cher wrote...

Grey Warden Treaties quest = Search for the Star Forge maps quest

Not to mention, in both KOTOR 1 and 2 Jedi's massacred by an evil and unstoppable force the Sith backed by the star forge.  DAO grey wardens get massacred by an evil and unstoppable force the blight. There are lot of parallels between the games in term of story.  

Modifié par moffittman22, 14 décembre 2009 - 07:16 .

[ct1615]

KOTOR is one of the finest games ever made, not just RPG games.



DA is a fine game with excellent production values but its plot reeks of LOTR/SW rip-off.

[Damicles]

Kotors better by far because it has a villian that you can at least relate to DA just has a big dragon and you don't really feel any acomplishment after killing it since it like the what third dragon that you killed in the game it would of been far better if you discovered a more insidous threat along the way. That would play a bigger role in DA2.

[Elemental_805]

Honestly I loved both games Kotor was the first bioware game I ever played, and was my favorit bioware game until Dragon age came. I actually care about the choices I made in Dragon age, no game has ever made me care about my choises as Dragon age.

[KnightofPhoenix]

In terms of plot and plot twist, KOTOR was better.

But in general, I enjoyed both equally.

[Darpaek]

Plot twist? Seriously?



You guys really didn't see the whole "Revan thing" coming?

[SleeplessInSigil]

Planescape: Torment pwns both.
/thread

[Sidney]

KoTOR was great for what it brought to a world you already knew, or at least felt you did. It was clever and fun but grossly unbalanced in a way that even DOA isn't - I mean seriously did your non-Jedi do anything useful other than draw fire? Looking back I dislike KoTOR for the need to min/max your dark/light side and so you were a bad caricature of a character.



JE is a personal favorite and it overlooked by too many folks but I love the story and the game mechanisms but the party interactions are not as good as in KoTOR or DOA.



DOA is improves on a lot of things. The party interaction system is much better. The lore is more interesting because it is new. I think the sum total of the NPC's in DOA are better than in KoTOR despite HK47 being singularly better than anyone in DOA. Combat and combat mechanisms are better in DOA.

[Sledge454]

NetBeansAndJava wrote...

Kotor definitely had a better plot reveal than DA:O.

At the very least, it had a plot twist that rivals that of "The Crying Game" or "Sixth Sense".