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[FollowTheGourd]

If DA:O had the same types of plot twists as KOTOR, it'd be something along the lines of you were the Archdemon all along but you just didn't know it, or something else wince-inducing. Or at least the Archdemon's mentor... at least nothing like Darth Vader being Luke's father.

Modifié par FollowTheGourd, 01 janvier 2010 - 04:24 .

[Alyasa42]

Hi everyone, couldn't help but notice this thread... Am I the only one; who, when hearing about Dragon Age: Origins; went, "Yippeeee, Baldur's Gate!!! I mean KoTOR was definitely good, but to me Baldur's Gate was like the mother of all CRPGs...

[Demonic Spoon]

KotOR had very little replay value, comparatively shallow characters, and inferior combat. Each had three classes (6 if you count the jedi classes), but in KotOR they didn't play -that- differently from each other.

Also, Dragon Age is ****ING HUGE. KotOR is multiple orders of magnitude smaller than DA:O in amount of gameplay. I think people are overstating the value of a plot twist. I put more value on the overall story than how many times it changes over the course of the game. In that respect I can't really say since I haven't even finished DA yet.

As far as character interaction, DA wins hands down and I don't think anyone can truly dispute that.

However, while KOTOR was a great game, I have to say that DA is better.

Modifié par Demonic Spoon, 01 janvier 2010 - 04:32 .

[MarloMarlo]

KotoR has HK-47.



Also, I prefer combat that just moves along. I didn't find DA's combat to be significantly more challenging or brain-demanding than KotoR's. I guess DA had friendly fire, but it wasn't that hard to avoid it. It was fine, but KotoR was faster without losing anything I'd otherwise miss. So I like KotoR more.



I'm also pretty sure that I didn't have to spend any time looting individual corpses in KotoR, or have to sell off all those fire crystals and whatnot I wasted my time picking up.

[aaronpr0n]

Is this a trick question? DA:O = KotOR 5. Bioware hasn't made anything but KotOR clones since they discovered a winning formula.



Which is why they'll never top BGII, because BGII > KotOR.

[Demonic Spoon]

I'm also pretty sure that I didn't have to spend any time looting individual corpses in KotoR, or have to sell off all those fire crystals and whatnot I wasted my time picking up.

I see nostalgia has made you forget a lot. You -did- have to loot individual corpses in KotoR and yes, you accumulated random craploot which you had to sell off periodically.

[Demonic Spoon]

Star Wars is more fantasy than sci-fi. The emphasis of the KotoR plotline was magic (Sorry, "the Force") and an iconic good-vs-evil fight. Just because the setting is more technologically-advanced does not make it science fiction.

They're both pretty much fantasy RPGs.

Modifié par Demonic Spoon, 01 janvier 2010 - 05:44 .

[Feond]

I loved Kotor and it had a much better story than those awful prequel movies.

I thought it was pretty funny when I first heard Alistair yell "down you go!"
Carth was never my favorite character because he was always interrupting me with some problem of his.

Shale reminds me of HK-47 quite a bit as well. And I like both of them, well, quite a bit.

As for a plot twist Kotor wins but it would be hard to convince the audience of Dragon Age that, "You ARE the Archdemon!" With that said I am happy they didn't try to just repeat their older title.

I had the Ps3 version and it seemed very similar to kotor in playstyle but going through the PC version now its a nice difference in gameplay.

Modifié par Feond, 01 janvier 2010 - 05:56 .

[Demonic Spoon]

I don't get why people get so hung-up on the plot twist. It's the most memorable part of the story, but did you really enjoy the game so much more because of it? My reaction was "Oh, that's interesting". It was pretty interesting and well-handled in the story, but hardly something that makes me stop caring about everything else to say "HOLY **** THIS GAME HAS THE BEST STORY EVER".

[StartatZero]

I love both games, but for me DA:O wins in all categories, that one plot twist in KotOR isn't enough for me to declare it better than DA, I did enjoy it very much at the time, but do not find it superior to DA:O. Why are people raving about the KotoR plot? I don't remember it being as great as people are saying, although maybe if I play it through again now I'll remember the greatness, but since I do have to play it again to remember, it couldn't have been too incredible.

Modifié par StartatZero, 01 janvier 2010 - 06:06 .

[Demonic Spoon]

I think it's the opposite, StartatZero. It's probably that these people HAVEN'T played the game in ages and thus only remember the good parts (aka nostalgia).



I'm not disputing that it it was a good game, of course...but I think people are overstating it.

[Nifell]

love both games equally. personally cant wait to see what the old republic brings, granted fanboys cry about the company making an mmo, my money, not thiers ^^

[Demonic Spoon]

Would you call X-men fantasy?

Absolutely. What the hell else would it be?







Depending on the specific story, star wars COULD be science-fiction. If there was a Star Wars story which really focused on the technology and science aspects of it then it would be. However, KotoR is not. If you wanted to, you could replace cantinas with taverns, blaster pistols with bows, lightsabers/vibroblades with regular swords/maces/axes/whatever, rodians and wookiees with dwarves and elves...and you'd pretty much have a generic fantasy setting. For KotoR, technology affects virtually nothing but the setting.

[NDAv]

Tassiaw wrote...

FuIcrum wrote...

well, considering that KOTOR was released 4 years ago its hardly a fair fight in terms of graphics and performance. But KOTOR wins the plot hands down.

KotOR was released 6 and a half years ago.

KotOR II was not made by BioWare, it was made my Obsidian.

Comparing a fantasy RPG to a sci-fi one is like comparing apples to oranges.

Why should the setting matter? Should Fallout not be compared either? An RPG is an RPG, as far as I'm concerned.

I was disappointed in not being able to make DEX-based melee fighter in KotOR liek I usually do, so I didn't play it. Besides, I have never been able to run it on any computer I've tried.

Modifié par NDAv, 01 janvier 2010 - 07:13 .

[The Capital Gaultier]

I like the story of KotOR a bit more (and that twist is just... memorable), but DA:O is a better game. I especially like the (much) superior characters and cultures of Ferelden.

[Schneidend]

Loved KotOR, loved KotOR 2, but I'm loving Dragon Age more.

Let's face it, Star Wars as a setting is bogged down by a lot of goofy, identical events in its timeline, and a lot of crappy races. KotOR managed to avoid most of this, but still felt inclined to include some of the extremely boring races like the multitudes of space midgets (Jawas only, please, the rest must be purged), and a bunch of Nightmare Fuel creatures that should be bleeding out of every orifice as though they were made that way by a Star Trek transporter beam accident.

Modifié par Schneidend, 01 janvier 2010 - 07:20 .

[StartatZero]

Will someone elaborate on what makes KotoRs plot as great as people are saying? Other than the big plot twist, can someone remind me why the plot was so great?

Modifié par StartatZero, 01 janvier 2010 - 07:27 .

[Schneidend]

Ethan009 wrote...

As someone who just finished KOTOR I have to say it is fun and some parts of it (Plot for one) are far better than DAO while DAO character interaction and combat blows its out of the water. And yeah DA's plot twist was lame and I felt forced into the ending. If DA2 ends up having a "canon" ending. Yeah it will be far worse than KOTOR.

I can't understand this "better plot" KotOR I supposedly has. There was one big twist, and it's the best story anybody's ever written, apparently. DAO has multiple twists, plenty of political intrigue, redeemable villains, not-so-righteous-heroes, difficult choices to make, and is just plain more engaging. The player-character had no personal stake in the KotOR-story beyond surviving the prologue. That's poor storytelling for an open-ended game in and of itself.

[The Capital Gaultier]

StartatZero wrote...

Will someone elaborate on what makes KotoRs as great as people are saying? Other than the big plot twist, can someone remind me why the plot was so great?

It combined foreshadowing and tension in a way that was very fitting in the setting.  Events unfolded in a way that was fairly elegant, but not purely predictable.

Mind you, I don't think it was the "greatest plot of all time."  It was just a very good one, and fitting.

Modifié par The Capital Gaultier, 01 janvier 2010 - 07:27 .

[Demonic Spoon]

By that logic, you could make anything fantasy.

the term "Fantasy" describes a STORY, not a SETTING. "Star Wars" cannot be fantasy, or sci-fi, or...whatever, because Star Wars is a setting that many books, movies, and games have been made about.

The KotoR story was primarily fantasy because the story revolved around magic (the Force) and elements which are presented more as mystical than scientific (the Star Forge is described like some ancient magical relic, not as a work of scientific/engineering genius).

Modifié par Demonic Spoon, 01 janvier 2010 - 08:19 .

[FollowTheGourd]

Kind of splitting hairs there. For many, Star Wars was defined by the original trilogy, which is sci-fi for all intents and purposes. You could have Chewbacca's Advanced Multivariable Calculus in the non-fiction aisle for all the difference that would make.



Then again, I recall some early debate about sci-fi versus science fiction, and how the latter was for "real" science instead of future pop. In the end, it's mostly all fantasy anyway whether you want to describe it through pseudo-science or magic.