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[sedrikhcain]

AlanC9 wrote...

akkaze wrote...

DAO is a much more recent game (obviously), and is a different style of game (less tactical in terms of combat engine).

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Well, I generally enjoy tactical combat more than action-adventure style combat; but then DAO never set out to be some sort of P&P rpg clone so that's not really a just criticism.

I'm confused. In what sense is DA:O less tactical? KotOR was just spam Force Wave forever, then lightsaber anything still moving.

And I'm going to have to stick up for Carth. It's not whining when your character is the one asking him to talk about that stuff.

I've picked up KOTOR again recently, so I'm in the middle of my 3rd full playthrough now. I don't think I've used that strategy but twice. Nearly every game has a "best strategy" that will deal great damage in most situations. But that doesn't mean there aren't wildly different ways to play it. Over at Game Banshee, someone's posted a character build for a blaster-wielding jedi so powerful you never need your lightsaber or the talents of the NPCs. There is plenty of variety.

[Crimmsonwind]

The plot twist in Kotor was pretty epic. Definitely ushered a "NO F*CKING WAY" out of me. The story was engaging. The voice acting was fantastic (Jennifer Hale and Raphael Sbarge = ), and over all, it was just fantastic.



Dragon Age was great as well, with great animation (although the way mages run bugs the hell out of me), engaging characters, and a pretty decent plot. Although it didn't hit me as hard as Kotor, I still had a blast.



I'd say Kotor edges out over Dragon Age just a bit. Just my opinion, though.

[sedrikhcain]

krylo wrote...

KotoR was cartoony. I'm saying it.

Here's KotoR's moral choices:

Basitla/Carth: THERE IS A BURNING ORPHANGE OVER THERE!

1: Rescue orphans.
2: Kick puppies.
3: Mind control nearby hobo into rescuing orphans. Laugh a little if he burns.

And it was kind of pathetic/silly because Bastila'd be all "I don't know how you resist the dark side so easily! I could never!" and I'm like, "Well, I guess... I just... I just don't WANT to murder babies? I mean, I doubt they'd even have good loot?"

On the other hand DA was all: "There is a demon possessed child do you:
1: Kill child to save village.
2: Kill mother to save child.
3: Risk child killing mother and village while you dick around for two days in the hopes you can save the child without killing anyone."

It had much more realistic moral dilemmas and, though I was disappointed occasionally, resolutions.

As a result I can replay DA multiple times with multiple multi-faceted moral outlooks. In KotoR I couldn't even finish off a dark side playthrough because it wasn't even evil. It was just Chaotic Stupid. It was either be the morally upstanding hero, who maybe abuses force suggestion once or twice, or be a complete raving moron who kills people and tortures them even when it would, ostensibly, make your job harder.

Ugh.

I did fully enjoy my light side guardian play through I did first... and it may even compare favorably to DA--but only in that one possible method of playing will it compare favorably to any moral method of playing through DA.

As a result, I must give the win in this to DA.

Agree with this, wrt morality and choices. You can see the development of that element of BioWare's games from KOTOR to DA.

[johncraven]

Baldur's Gate > Dragon Age > KOTOR

[SaiWisinski]

DA:O since it has better characters, not just straight-out good or bad decisions, and more loot wheras in KOTOR if your a jedi you only use either a lightsaber a two-sided lightsaber or dual weilding lightsabers(with modifications but DA:O also has that) and compared to DA:O few spells(force powers)

[Chaos lord Mephisto]

enjoyed kotor for about 3 years or so with help of mods after i had finished main story which was great! i have ordered dragon age and look forward to start it as i have a preference for medieval style rpgs and hope this will last me as long as kotor 1 did shame that they decided to follow the mmo train though was always curious what happened after kotor 2

[The_Abyss]

I only managed to play KoTR once. It was good, but not good enough for me to warrent more than 1 playthrough.



DA, on the other hand, managed to entice me to play through more than once.

[Haexpane]

KOTOR had a much better story and brought the star wars franchise back from the dead. Just for saving SW from being an epic turd, I'd have to give KOTOR the nod.



I actually thought KOTOR 2 had deeper gameplay and the story was a bit better (except for the unfinished ending)

[Haexpane]

KOTOR also allows you to see the D20 rolls... another win for KOTOR

[Haexpane]

JO2D4N wrote...

Noone ever seems to bring up Jade Empire, which was far better than KOTOR. However, Dragon Age is the clear winner in this bout.

I love Jade Empire, but c'mon it was way too easy, and KOTOR 1 was damn easy.  JE was also way shorter.  Again I LOVED JE and I'm replaying it now, but it's short, easy and did I mention too easy?

[Haexpane]

Darpaek wrote...

Plot twist? Seriously?

You guys really didn't see the whole "Revan thing" coming?

Just because all plots are predictable does not make them bad.  "Surprise" twists aren't always good, and are usually horrible horror film twists.

All the great stories have already been told as they say, so what makes a good story is not that it's "new" rather how it's told, the quality of the telling.

Tvtropes will illustrate how every story, every tv show, every movie, every book is using tropes, and reusing tropes over and over again.

There really is only 1 true story.  The human struggle and our place in the universe. 

[Haexpane]

aaronpr0n wrote...

Is this a trick question? DA:O = KotOR 5. Bioware hasn't made anything but KotOR clones since they discovered a winning formula.

Which is why they'll never top BGII, because BGII > KotOR.

I can't agree with the tone, but obviously the content is hard to argue against.  But understand, BG2 is like Joe Montanna.  You can't compare every QB against the greatest.   You can't compare every boxer against Ali at his peak, they will only let you down.

We have to accept that BG 2 was the peak of party based RPGs and will never be matched again.

You can thank the teabagging facebook generation for ruining videogames.

[Haexpane]

Tassiaw wrote...

Demonic Spoon wrote...

Star Wars is more fantasy than sci-fi. The emphasis of the KotoR plotline was magic (Sorry, "the Force") and an iconic good-vs-evil fight. Just because the setting is more technologically-advanced does not make it science fiction.

They're both pretty much fantasy RPGs.

I disagree. Star Wars is science fiction. It's about galactic civilizations, spaceships, pew pew lasers, and Jedi who wield the Force, which isn't anymore fantasy than the X-men's mutant powers. Would you call X-men fantasy?

 

In most circles, Star Wars is considered science fantasy, not science fiction.  It's a subtle yet important distinction.  Think Star Trek vs. Star Wars... one is about "the FUTUREZ and GADGETS!" while the other is "Space Swords!"

Eseentially it's LOTR IN SPAAAACCCCEEEE!  vs.  Band of Brothers IN SPAAAACCEEEE!

[ObserverStatus]

Realmjumper wrote...

No way Dragonage is way more massive than Kotor.

Size doesn't matter, many people think Portal was better than many final fantasies.

[Haexpane]

Tassiaw wrote...

Elemental_805 wrote...

Dragon Age>Kotor>Jade Empire>>>Mass Effect... In my opinon
If Jade Empire was alittle longer then it would have been way better than Kotor.

You liked Jade Empire more than Mass Effect? You're insane.

I also liked JE way more than ME.  How is that insane?   JE imo had much better characters, I love the "asian fantasy" setting.  The combat in both games is way too easy.

[ErnoDykman]

I think KOTOR

[ErnoDykman]

I think KOTOR

[ErnoDykman]

I think KOTOR

[ErnoDykman]

I think KOTOR

[ErnoDykman]

sorry about all the "I think KOTOR"s something was up with my keyboard 

Modifié par ErnoDykman, 16 mars 2010 - 08:22 .

[Haexpane]

sedrikhcain wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

akkaze wrote...

DAO is a much more recent game (obviously), and is a different style of game (less tactical in terms of combat engine).

(snip)

Well, I generally enjoy tactical combat more than action-adventure style combat; but then DAO never set out to be some sort of P&P rpg clone so that's not really a just criticism.

I'm confused. In what sense is DA:O less tactical? KotOR was just spam Force Wave forever, then lightsaber anything still moving.

And I'm going to have to stick up for Carth. It's not whining when your character is the one asking him to talk about that stuff.

I've picked up KOTOR again recently, so I'm in the middle of my 3rd full playthrough now. I don't think I've used that strategy but twice. Nearly every game has a "best strategy" that will deal great damage in most situations. But that doesn't mean there aren't wildly different ways to play it. Over at Game Banshee, someone's posted a character build for a blaster-wielding jedi so powerful you never need your lightsaber or the talents of the NPCs. There is plenty of variety.

DAO is press X to win, unless you play on nightmare mode... DAO combat is straight out of KOTOR's roots

[rainbowsheltie]

Dragon Age definitely has better graphics and in my opinion, voice overs (more frequent with character interactions, banter and dialogue). Multiple endings, story lines and possibilities (aka sheer size of the game) is a plus as well. I also thought that customizing how your character looks was easier in DA:O since KOTOR had mostly random drops or items in containers (still random).



Yet, I can't deny that while KOTOR had all those things (on a smaller scale of course) the fact that its STAR WARS wins all. Making any short comings more then compensated for, to a certain degree of course. Now, if Bioware would only come out with a III game I can only imagine how awesome it would be.



In the end, I still can't choose between them. Although my answer highly depends on if I'm in a Star Wars or RPG gaming mood.

[ErnoDykman]

Sorry scrap my previous message. I think KOTOR was one of the best games i've played. I played comletely through it 3 times and i also played KOTOR2 completely through 6 or 7 times(can't remember, it's a lot you know), but I must say I'm enjoying DOA extremely. I'm definitely gonna play through it a lot. I just wish they would bring out a KOTOR3.

[AlanC9]

Haexpane wrote...
DAO is press X to win, unless you play on nightmare mode... DAO combat is straight out of KOTOR's roots

Except that KotOR was even simpler.

[Haexpane]

AlanC9 wrote...

Haexpane wrote...
DAO is press X to win, unless you play on nightmare mode... DAO combat is straight out of KOTOR's roots

Except that KotOR was even simpler.

There is no except,  KOTOR's Roots... that implies DAO is more complex since it spawned from an older, earlier game...

Even tho it's more complex, both games are "press X to win once you get past level 12"