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[ZeCollectorDestroya]

 The Thane romance was expected, he had a disease, a terminal disease, didn't you thanemancers pay attention? Jacob's one really sucked though.
And I do agree with the OP. Romances make up 1/5 or 1/4 of Mass Erect Effect.

[Warp92]

Taboo-XX wrote...

What's worse about Jacob is the attached stereotype.

I was like...REALLY?

Six months? DAMN BRO.

lol 

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

Udalango wrote...

Where did they say they forgot about Thane? Cause if so just.....ugh

They didn't publicly, but secretly, they sure did.

[Rikketik]

Sgt SuperWae wrote...

Then BioWare will have made it clear that they believe true love concludes after sex. Three games, three sex
scenes. Done. I like to think my Shepard's relationship with Liara means more than a quick romp under the sheets and a little pillow talk. Love isn't that shallow, and neither is Shepard (again, I like to think). Prove this, BioWare, by making these romances mean something spectacular outside of the bedroom.

Well, the romances from ME2 are a bit shallow in ME3, but I think it's pretty clear that the others (Liara's, Garrus', Tali's, etc.) mean much, much more to Shepard than just sex. Maybe we, the players, don't see everything that happens, but I think that's the point: everyone has to fill in those parts in for theirselves.

Also, sex isn't only about lust. It can be, but it can also be a confirmation of love between two people. Especially when they don't immediately have sex after the first date but wait until it actually means something more for them -- just as what happens in all three Mass Effect games. 

mauro2222 wrote...
Terminal illness means a disease that cannot be cured or adequately treated and that is reasonably expected to result in the death of the patient within a short period of time.

"...many krogan die in stillbirth, with most fetuses never even reaching this stage of development."

That's terminal from the viewpoint of the fetuses.

Then the question is if the genophage cure also cured the fetuses that already developing. The game never expands on that, though, it only implies that all the adult Krogan were cured. And for them it wasn't a terminal disease. So I don't think the genophage cure is completely the same thing as a cure for Kepral's Syndrome.

I do agree, by the way, with people that say Thane's romance was badly handled. A bit more substance would've been nice. But his death? He made it perfectly clear in ME2 that he was dying, so that didn't surprise or bother me in the least. Sure, my Shepard who romanced him was devestated about it, but she also knew that he would've wanted her to live, to fight... and not to sulk and post angry rants on internet forums (for months!) about how the developers didn't care about her and Thane.

Modifié par Rikketik, 23 juin 2012 - 05:15 .

[Skullheart]

Don't worry, the EC will have lots of more content for walters waifu, vs and dextro team. The rest, well, they are the wrong romances.

[Hadeedak]

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...

Udalango wrote...

Where did they say they forgot about Thane? Cause if so just.....ugh

They didn't publicly, but secretly, they sure did.

The quote on the last page is where they admitted to forgetting Thane as a romance.

The problem with the Thanemance is that it's two dialogues, one of which is the inevitable deathbed, that are almost identical to friendship. It's not so much he dies; it's what doesn't happen when he lives, or after he dies.

Also, there's no romancelockout or achievement, so the great flirtation pile happens right after he dies.

Compared to that, Miranda and Jack are sheer gravy. Though they obviously both could use some love.

And as previously mentioned, poor, poor Jacob. Hey, Mr. Reliable! He's the one who should cheat, right?

[giftfish]

utaker1988 wrote...

Udalango wrote...

Where did they say they forgot about Thane? Cause if so just.....ugh

It was stated that they had forgotten about Thane being a loved one when we complained about how Shep just left him there and then how no one mentions him after his death.  Patrick Weekes, "“Yeah, I wasn’t in charge of Thane, but I see Thane’s death situation as one of those things that’s the drawback of a large writing team. Lots of followers talk about the Citadel Event in terms of what happens with the VS, but because Thane was optional, it didn’t click with any of us that the player could also have just lost a friend or loved one THERE as well. That was a dropped ball on our end.”  

When my FemShep chose Thane in the hospital, I expected it to be a continued romance regardless of how it ends for him.  When she decided she didn't want to or wasn't ready to move on after his death (you know people do things like that, do decide to take time before moving on), I thought that meant Thane was her romance for ME3 but apparently not because you don't get that cheevo for him.  Apparently, choosing him also means he doesn't count.  <_<  Would have liked at least one more conversation with him before his death, sheesh, I felt like the biggest loser in the world having to sneak past him while returning things for fetch quests.  "Hey look over by that big window..in the chair..isn't that your lover?  Oh just sneak past him like a douche because he wasn't given more than one set of dialogue."   One would think that if your love was dying that you'd want to have more than one conversation with him.  But alas, no, all you get to do is listen to how he is dying and a porn noise filled grope fest in public.  Poor Thane, he was used and abused by FemShep.

A google search of the terms "patrick weekes, dropped ball, thane" will give out a whole crap load of stuff about his admission.  

^This.

The main point is that the game is supposed to be about player decisions.  In today's podcast BW states that they want the decisions we've made through the series, the squad members that we've saved, and the relationships that we've had in game to be reflected at the end.

Arguably, a player's LI is their most important relationship in the game, and should be able to last until the end of the game, if they so choose.

When it comes to all the ME2 relationships that get swept under the rug in ME3, all we'd like is the ability to make a decision about what is going to happen, rather than have BW's interpretation be forced on us. 

If some people want Thane to die, because they find it more in line with the story, then they should be able to choose that option. 

If others don't, they should be given the opportunity to save him.  Especially, if he is the LI of that player.   Maybe it even comes at the expense of a war asset, as FemShep would actually be doing something a bit selfish.  BW left themselves plenty of plausible openings for Thane's short or long term recovery, between the lung transplant referenced in the LotSB letter, and the Hanar genetic engineering project referenced in conversation.  Terminal illnesses are only terminal until cures are found.

The point is that BW sort of forgot about this amazing new character they created specifically for the female player base in ME2, who also happened to be one of the "poster boys" for the game, and who ended up being widely liked by male and female players alike.  Let's kill him!  What a great idea! 

As far as how "important" romances are in the game, that will depend on the player.  For those of us that are really into the RP aspect, it is extremely important.  Again, it's about options and decisions, which is what this game is supposed to be about.  Players not as interested in the romance, don't have to pursue it.  But, many players really enjoy this aspect, and if BW is going to keep it in the game, it should be done well, with as many decisions left up to the player as possible.

In ME3, much more so than ME1 or ME2, players are forced into situations by decisions they weren't able to make (assuming Arrival events took place, behavior of ME2 LIs, ME2 squad members that are only very peripherally involved in ME3, etc).  It would be really nice if BW revised these scenarios to put the power of these decisions back with the players.

[krukow]

I've thought this through. If the EC doesn't have an option for a reunion, I will actually uninstall it, stay with the original 5000 ems destroy ending, and headcannon it. Because as much as anything, my Shepard was fighting for Ash/Miri (depends on the playthrough). He'll find her.

[Skullheart]

btw, do you think that at least they readed "The Book"?

There was a lot of feedback there regarding the screwed romances.

[o Ventus]

Skullheart wrote...

btw, do you think that at least they readed "The Book"?

There was a lot of feedback there regarding the screwed romances.

I like to think they did, if nothing else.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Me:

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 23 juin 2012 - 06:24 .

[TamiBx]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

OchreJelly wrote...

In all seriousness, Baldur's Gate 2 was the last Bioware game that I can recall that did not plateau romantic character relationships after sexy-times.

Morrigan.

Hm...I thought Dragon Age Origins did a good job in the romance department. 


But on another note: if we don't get a reunion scene, I will pretend that ME3 never existed.  We deserve at least the option of being reunited to the LI/Normandy crew. 

[flippedeclipse]

Skullheart wrote...

btw, do you think that at least they readed "The Book"?

There was a lot of feedback there regarding the screwed romances.

Weekes posted pictures on his Twitter of him and some of the devs with the book, and he said that he read it for sure. He was working on the EC, so maybe it made an impact.

[rubynorman]

Don't get your hope too high. I have already prepared for it with my own head canon, fics and pics just in case.

[LanceSolous13]

As long as I think of Miranda, she mours my death, or reuintes with me should my Shep live, I'll be happy. Hell, A small line of Shep, before death, saying "I'm sorry Miri." would be tear jerking if exicuted properly.

[CptData]

o Ventus wrote...

The romances definitely need to be acknowledged.

I'm just cautious on how they handle the ME2 romances. Miranda deserves better than a vague fade-to-black, followed by nothing.

Same for Jack. Or every other romance.

Let's say I hope for following outcomes:

- Normandy crashes, can't be rescued
Regardless if Shepard died or not, the survivors of the Normandy hold a ceremony to remember him/her.
LI has the final speech.

- Normandy crashes, can be rescued
Same situation here 'though it should be stated, Shepard and the crew reunite later
LI has the final speech AND explains how they got rescued & reunited.

- Normandy crash doesn't happen, Shepard died
Memorial scene, LI does the speech.

- Normandy crash doesn't happen, Shepard lives
Memorial scene, LI does the speech, however, towards the end of the scene Joker/EDI gets a message telling the crew Shepard is alive.

Something like that.

[Stalker]

Skullheart wrote...

Don't worry, the EC will have lots of more content for walters waifu, vs and dextro team. The rest, well, they are the wrong romances.

I agree.
I had this impression in the game and I don't believe the EC will do it any better.

[Visii]

Doesn't matter if Thane was terminally ill. In fact, it makes what was given worse. There was no romance whatsoever before the fight with Kai-Leng. If he had to die (and he really, really didn't especially not in a stupid fight scene with the Cereal-Killer, to protect a character he had no reason to protect or care about) the LEAST they could have done was given romanced and non-romanced Shepards a little more time with him beforehand.

That didn't happen. Then everyone in the game forgot he ever had lived. Then everyone in the game started hitting on Shepard directly afterwards. Liara, Garrus and Tali would have been given a state funeral if they had died without any way for the player to avert that outcome; Thane got his name on that memorial wall and no one, not even a Shepard that romanced him mentioned it.

Not cool. And don't complain about Thane fans complaining. The kings of storytelling and characterization in the game industry have eggs on their face. They messed up, big time. These forums would look like Chernobyl if Liara, Garrus, Tali or Miranda had died in hastily thrown-together, Shepard doesn't emote- sequences. Miranda's death scene was leaps and bounds better than Thane's and it was OPTIONAL. The existence of a Miranda-lives option didn't detract from the Miranda-dies option, so why wasn't there a similar avenue open for Thane? 

It's kinda hard to ignore something like this when FemShep has no heterosexual options in ME3 if Garrus is passed over and Kaidan was Virmire'd. Taking out Jacob's romance and Thane's while all of MaleShep's romances are perfect and untouched by tragedy or drama really shows how little the writing staff cared about the FemShep players.

Modifié par Visii, 23 juin 2012 - 02:12 .

[Moira-chan]

Visii wrote...

Doesn't matter if Thane was terminally ill. In fact it makes what was given worse. There was no romance whatsoever before the fight with Kai-Leng. If he had to die (and he really, really didn't especially not in a stupid fight scene with the Cereal-Killer, to protect a character he had no reason to protect or care about) the LEAST the could have done was given romanced and non-romanced Shepards a little more time with him beforehand.

That didn't happen. Then everyone in the game forgot he ever had lived. Then everyone in the game started hitting on Shepard directly afterwards. Liara, Garrus and Tali would have been given a state funeral if they had died; Thane got his name on that memorial wall and no one, not even Shepard even mentioned it.

Not cool.

excactly. well said, visii. as always <3

[Shaleist]

They're going to make it canon that Liara has your blue babies. That's the real reason they jammed that 'gift' scene in on Earth. She'll be the one to eulogize dead shepard. I'm dead serious. I'm also fairly convinced ME4 will star Shep's blue baby girl in about 100 years... with her saving the galaxy from dark matter and saving the day around the galaxy. ... that's not a joyful laugh.

Modifié par Shaleist, 23 juin 2012 - 02:35 .

[CaptainDope]

A reunion with Shephard and LI is what I look forward to the most. But, I am afraid that the meeting will either not happen, or will be too short and rushed.

[Karrie788]

Shaleist wrote...

They're going to make it canon that Liara has your blue babies. That's the real reason they jammed that 'gift' scene in on Earth. She'll be the one to eulogize dead shepard. I'm dead serious

Well, not my Shep. She didn't even offer me the gift scene. :3

[BadExamp1e]

Warp92 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

What's worse about Jacob is the attached stereotype.

I was like...REALLY?

Six months? DAMN BRO.

lol 

It just makes Jacob look even worst when you think that Kaidan waited three years and Shepard was DEAD.