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[SOLID_EVEREST]

Nordicus wrote...

Arcadian Legend wrote...

I think Fallout 3 was one other game, though I haven't played it so I can't give more detail.


EDIT Though I'm told that was a bit of a different case.

Yeah it was a bit of a different scenario. It's not that Fallout 3's ending was badly written in comparison to the rest of the story (I'm one of those people who just can't let FO3's massive pile of plotholes and inaccuracies slide), the ending had problems from a game design perspective.

1) You couldn't continue playing after the ending, which is not how previous Fallout games nor Bethesda games have done it
2) You had to sacrifice yourself for the good of Capital Wasteland even though there were several NPC companions in FO3 who could do the task unharmed.
3) Unlike previous Fallout games, the narrator didn't tell you what happened to the many side-quest locations and people after the end of the game.

Fallout: 2 was the only game you could play afterwards, but even then, it wasn't anything extra. Pretty much the only difference was some jokes and people telling you stuff (and you can get a secret book). It was more of a joke than anything serious. I'm glad that Obsidian didn't allow for post-game play in New Vegas.

Yeah, they did put in the DLC Broken Steel, but it isn't like they ended some huge series that span three games where you could import characters. It was only the crazy kiddies asking for post-game play because they wanted to launch mini-nukes everywhere. Bethesda's ending was overlook because everyone knew their stories are jokes full of inconsistencies and plot-holes. Fans, for the most part, didn't seem outraged like these ME boards, from what I've read, got.

[termokanden]

Elhanan wrote...

Amazon went to a user only review program some time ago, and this has helped a little in restricting opinion spamming to some degree. And we can still read the forums; not like we are completely locked out of the information available/

Much unlike offtopic in the weekends, because lowlife spammer scum keep clogging it up with their sports nonsense.

You'd think it was possible to filter this stuff out. It's quite formulaic. I mean email filters have been able to combat this kind of thing for ages now.

[Get Magna Carter]

I think Bioware feels there is too much positivity from BSN so decided they need to irritate people more by blocking them from forums to encourage more hate towards them.

Note I bought a new copy of ME3 (from HMV) when it was released (and still have it) but am unable to register the game because I don't have a home internet connection
(not at home right now)

[Nordicus]

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...

I'm glad that Obsidian didn't allow for post-game play in New Vegas.

I'm glad because they'd never have the resources or time to implement all the ways that the Mojave Wasteland could change post-ending, and sad because...

Well, this is Obsidian. I like me some Obsidian. I want MOAR Obsidian, even in its usual unpolished form

[Arcadian Legend]

Hmmm. I have an idea, but it'd be a big undertaking, and you folks would have to make frequent use of it. (about as much as you would the forums)

[Dragoonlordz]

I prefer it this way so sue me, keeps the trolls to minimum. If want a wake up call how a forum is without such moderation go visit the Diablo3 forums where it is a cesspool of bottom feeders. Everyone might have an opinion on something but I would personally prefer the ones who actually own the game and have registered as proof discuss it on the ME3 section while those who do not can discuss it elsewhere on the million other forums and boards and chans on this big wide web, if cannot register yours then do something about it, speak to EA/Bioware and get it registered over the phone or through webchat if can.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 23 juin 2012 - 08:44 .

[slimgrin]

Bioware is doing a dandy job alienating their own community

[Seboist]

slimgrin wrote...

Bioware is doing a dandy job alienating their own community

They've become Capcom's chief rival for sabotaging their own series and pissing off their fans.

Modifié par Seboist, 23 juin 2012 - 09:15 .

[Siansonea]

greengoron89 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I prefer it this way so sue me, keeps the trolls to minimum. If want a wake up call how a forum is without such moderation go visit the Diablo3 forums where it is a cesspool of bottom feeders. Everyone might have an opinion on something but I would personally prefer the ones who actually own the game and have registered as proof discuss it on the ME3 section while those who do not can discuss it elsewhere on the million other forums and boards and chans on this big wide web, if cannot register yours then do something about it, speak to EA/Bioware and get it registered over the phone or through webchat if can.

I perfectly understand getting tired of hearing about how god awful the endings are and how Bioware should change it to cater to peoples' demands - but you seem to dislike hearing anything negative about the game, and regularly throw temper tantrums at naysayers and plug your opinion on how awesome the game is whenever the opportunity presents itself (and often even when it doesn't).

So don't act like you're somehow different or more reasonable than these "trolls" you go on about. You're not.

I've noticed this too. The phrase "BioWare Cheerleader" springs to mind.

[Dragoonlordz]

greengoron89 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I prefer it this way so sue me, keeps the trolls to minimum. If want a wake up call how a forum is without such moderation go visit the Diablo3 forums where it is a cesspool of bottom feeders. Everyone might have an opinion on something but I would personally prefer the ones who actually own the game and have registered as proof discuss it on the ME3 section while those who do not can discuss it elsewhere on the million other forums and boards and chans on this big wide web, if cannot register yours then do something about it, speak to EA/Bioware and get it registered over the phone or through webchat if can.

I perfectly understand getting tired of hearing about how god awful the endings are and how Bioware should change it to cater to peoples' demands - but you seem to dislike hearing anything negative about the game, and regularly throw temper tantrums at naysayers and plug your opinion on how awesome the game is whenever the opportunity presents itself (and often even when it doesn't).

So don't act like you're somehow different or more reasonable than these "trolls" you go on about. You're not.

Nope but thanks for trying to turn it into a personal attack on myself in your reply. Very mature of you.

[Dragoonlordz]

Siansonea II wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I prefer it this way so sue me, keeps the trolls to minimum. If want a wake up call how a forum is without such moderation go visit the Diablo3 forums where it is a cesspool of bottom feeders. Everyone might have an opinion on something but I would personally prefer the ones who actually own the game and have registered as proof discuss it on the ME3 section while those who do not can discuss it elsewhere on the million other forums and boards and chans on this big wide web, if cannot register yours then do something about it, speak to EA/Bioware and get it registered over the phone or through webchat if can.

I perfectly understand getting tired of hearing about how god awful the endings are and how Bioware should change it to cater to peoples' demands - but you seem to dislike hearing anything negative about the game, and regularly throw temper tantrums at naysayers and plug your opinion on how awesome the game is whenever the opportunity presents itself (and often even when it doesn't).

So don't act like you're somehow different or more reasonable than these "trolls" you go on about. You're not.

I've noticed this too. The phrase "BioWare Cheerleader" springs to mind.

Keep it up see my above response to green, it won't end well for you if continue. Posting in the ME3 section won't be an issue as much as vacation from the forums will become your new issue if continue to try to turn it into personal attack on me as an individual.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 23 juin 2012 - 09:29 .

[Dave of Canada]

So censorship should become the norm because you're tired of hearing about "trolls"? You mention the Diablo 3 forums, though all I see there are complaints with the game and how it's approached. Is all negativity "trolling"? I mean, they already restricted the "trolls" by making them incapable of posting for twenty-four hours.

If they really want to troll -that- much, they need to spend a lot of effort to do so. Perhaps... they aren't trolls at all. *gasp*

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 23 juin 2012 - 09:31 .

[deuce985]

greengoron89 wrote...

To be fair, I think just about anything Bioware could do, even if it's brilliant, would reflect poorly on them and negatively affect their fanbase. It's just the way things are at this point in time.

This. Not sure if OP's last part is sarcasm or being serious, but that's partly why they did it.

People make dumb comments like that when they haven't even played the EC. It's not some conspiracy on their forums. If you don't know how to articulate your discussions like civil folk, you're going to get kicked off. It's that simple.

That's the problem with the ME3 forums. A lot of fickle people.

They've already made up their mind about the EC and it hasn't even released yet. First they whine about them fixing the endings, then they whine about the EC being a disaster before even seeing it. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I feel sorry for some people on those forums. They must go through life miserably being so negative all the time...

And the bad thing about that, is they have plenty of good posters on that forum that have legit complaints. But they have that small minority that makes the entire forums look bad. It's like drowning out the voices who have valid criticisms. Do you think Bioware is going to take feedback seriously when a bunch of people are making snarky comments and personal shots at them? Do people honestly think that makes their voice heard from the developer?

Modifié par deuce985, 23 juin 2012 - 09:42 .

[Siansonea]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I prefer it this way so sue me, keeps the trolls to minimum. If want a wake up call how a forum is without such moderation go visit the Diablo3 forums where it is a cesspool of bottom feeders. Everyone might have an opinion on something but I would personally prefer the ones who actually own the game and have registered as proof discuss it on the ME3 section while those who do not can discuss it elsewhere on the million other forums and boards and chans on this big wide web, if cannot register yours then do something about it, speak to EA/Bioware and get it registered over the phone or through webchat if can.

I perfectly understand getting tired of hearing about how god awful the endings are and how Bioware should change it to cater to peoples' demands - but you seem to dislike hearing anything negative about the game, and regularly throw temper tantrums at naysayers and plug your opinion on how awesome the game is whenever the opportunity presents itself (and often even when it doesn't).

So don't act like you're somehow different or more reasonable than these "trolls" you go on about. You're not.

I've noticed this too. The phrase "BioWare Cheerleader" springs to mind.

Keep it up see my above response to green, it won't end well for you if continue. Posting in the ME3 section won't be an issue as much as vacation from the forums will become your new issue if continue to try to turn it into personal attack on me as an individual.

Gonna go tell your Mommy, are you? Grow up.

[xkg]

Yay, another great one.

But let's be honest, you can't get such an epic award just like that, for nothing. You need to earn it somehow.
They work very hard and it shows.

greengoron89 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
[some babbling]

I perfectly understand getting tired of hearing about how god awful the endings are and how Bioware should change it to cater to peoples' demands - but you seem to dislike hearing anything negative about the game, and regularly throw temper tantrums at naysayers and plug your opinion on how awesome the game is whenever the opportunity presents itself (and often even when it doesn't).

So don't act like you're somehow different or more reasonable than these "trolls" you go on about. You're not.

Don't even bother. One year ago he was one of the louder bashers of DA2 and now, suddenly he is all saint anti-basher. Hipocrisy at its finest.

Modifié par xkg, 23 juin 2012 - 09:39 .

[termokanden]

For the record, I have no problem with people complaining about a game when it's done in a reasonable way. But creating anti-EA thread after anti-EA thread, and telling people who do enjoy BioWare's games that they shouldn't (sometimes even attacking them for it) is far beyond reasonable. Just today, someone was asking for advice on how to play in ME3. Instead of helping, people were saying not to play the game at all and going on about how it sucks. This is what I'm talking about. What good can possible come of it?

It's a bandwagon, and it hurts your cause if you actually have valid complaints to be associated with that kind of thing.

[slimgrin]

Its a no win for bioware at this point. Eidos Montreal did it right: sorry we botched the boss fights. We outsourced them and that was a mistake. Wont happen again.

In comparison biowares stubborn defense was condescending and disingenuous to the fans. They aren't likely to garner much sympathy that way. Then we get loads of spin and now limiting feedback on the forums. Doing everything wrong

[Dragoonlordz]

xkg wrote...

Don't even bother. One year ago he was one of the louder bashers of DA2 and now, suddenly he is all saint anti-basher. Hipocrisy at its finest.

And this immaturity coming from you and the others is exactly why new rules were put n place. Your so focused on attacking me as a person that it borderlines as petty. I was not a loud basher but I was a critic one that was not overly rude or vicious in anything I said about DA2. My actual review/feedback link in sig is the majority of the very things I said at the time copy and pasted into one large review and it is neither aggressive or mean. If want to know sort of things I said word for word it is there in that link.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 23 juin 2012 - 09:52 .

[Dragoonlordz]

greengoron89 wrote...

And thank you for proving my point.

Unless your point was that I dislike anyone targetting me as an individual as opposed to a game then you failed to prove your point.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 23 juin 2012 - 09:55 .

[Siansonea]

slimgrin wrote...

Its a no win for bioware at this point. Eidos Montreal did it right: sorry we botched the boss fights. We outsourced them and that was a mistake. Wont happen again.

In comparison biowares stubborn defense was condescending and disingenuous to the fans. They aren't likely to garner much sympathy that way. Then we get loads of spin and now limiting feedback on the forums. Doing everything wrong

Yeah, pretty much this. I love how they downplay the fan reaction in the podcast. It's hilarious how they dance around the issue.

[termokanden]

slimgrin wrote...

In comparison biowares stubborn defense was condescending and disingenuous to the fans.

There's an example of what I would consider a valid complaint. Their responses have been the biggest disappointment of this whole story for me. I liked ME3 apart from the ending and the multiplayer store system, and still I felt insulted.

I must admit I was initially happy about the news about ME general because I've just seen so many angry posts there derailing everything. But I'm not entirely sure. Definitely not going to make fans any happier. One could always hope that there is at least room to discuss the series there now for the people who play it.

Modifié par termokanden, 23 juin 2012 - 09:56 .

[Dave of Canada]

Most people who post in the generals and stuff are usually the same folks, the others tend to filter out after a month. Look at the DA2 generals, you'll find the same posters in almost every thread. This pre-caution is short-sighted and will just alienate the fanbase into those who've registered, rather than say... DA2 creating a non-registered section.

Edit: What will happen is the usual posters will just bicker amongst themselves rather than bickering against "new blood".

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 23 juin 2012 - 10:01 .