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[Arturia Pendragon]

City of Heroes
Diablo ___
Final Fantasy ___
Disgaea ___
Tales of ___
Persona ___

EA isn't the only producer of games on the planet and they are no where near the best.

[Blueprotoss]

animadpig wrote...

Witcher, and Skyrim etc. There are other company will rise and replace Bioware. As long as there is a company that is willing to produce a complete game before they release the game, I will buy the game from them not a company produced an imcomplete game and defended it by artistic integrity. And, it is a bussiness. If Bioware want to talk about artistic integrity, they should sell the game to art school not the fans.

Yet you can use the same arguement about Bethesda just like you're doing with Bioware.  No game is really complete especially when there is DLC and Mod tools.  Btw everytthing is art whether you like it or not.  I hate  most of the rap genre and everything thats Twilight related, but they're still art and they can't be denied of that.

DemGeth wrote...

There's tons of great games out there man

And fanboys ALWAYS find something to latch onto. 

So I think they'll be set

Agreed and if they don't like a certain game then they can play another game in the same series or move onto another framchise. 

Arturia Pendragon wrote...

City of Heroes
Diablo ___
Final Fantasy ___
Disgaea ___
Tales of ___
Persona ___

EA isn't the only producer of games on the planet and they are no where near the best.

I don't think anyone is saying that, but all of those games have problems with some of their "fans" just like everyone else does. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 23 juin 2012 - 04:05 .

[Smugglers Luck]

xPandaHunterx wrote...

Dawnguard.

Dawnguard is what I will be playing instead.

YES!

[flippedeclipse]

Of course not. I'm not an avid Bioware fan as it is, I didn't buy SWTOR or any of their older games, my loyalties lie with the IP. I do enjoy the way they tell stories though, so if they come out with a new game with a concept I find interesting, I'll give it a try.

[animadpig]

Blueprotoss wrote...

animadpig wrote...

Witcher, and Skyrim etc. There are other company will rise and replace Bioware. As long as there is a company that is willing to produce a complete game before they release the game, I will buy the game from them not a company produced an imcomplete game and defended it by artistic integrity. And, it is a bussiness. If Bioware want to talk about artistic integrity, they should sell the game to art school not the fans.

Yet you can use the same arguement about Bethesda just like you're doing with Bioware.  No game is really complete especially when there is DLC and Mod tools.  Btw everytthing is art whether you like it or not.  I hate  most of the rap genre and everything thats Twilight related, but they're still art and they can't be denied of that.

Twilight? I dobut that is art. To me, Twilight is more like a product aim for teenager. I am glad Bethesda admit the mistake. No company will not make mistake. The only difference is that company will admit and correct it or not. Obviously, Bioware is the latter one. Art is given by people not the producer.

[FlamingBoy]

I know for sure I will never be stupid enough to pre-order the collectors edition from bioware.
unlikely to buy there games as well
day one dlc and the ending are just part of the issues

[MoldySpore]

Robhuzz wrote...

Boycotting BioWare isn't necessary at all. The only thing people have to do is stop buying from hype or marketing. DO NOT buy games in the first day or week but wait until honest reviews are out (serious fan reviews) that tell you what the game is REALLY like. If it's not the quality that was promised, don't buy it. This is a very simple concept that, if done by lots of people, stops corporations from rushing games and making false promises. Because right now by the time people find out they have been cheated, millions of people have already pre ordered or bought the game on the first day, the developer and publisher already have the money...

Playing devil's advocate here, your way still requires SOME to take the leap of faith and buy the game. How shall we pick who does that with future Bioware titles? Draw straws? Rock Paper Scissors?

Oh! Maybe we can start a Kickstarter every time there is a Bioware game, raise enough $1 donations from the community to buy a bunch of copies for people to use for review?

[Arturia Pendragon]

Blueprotoss wrote...

I don't think anyone is saying that, but all of those games have problems with some of their "fans" just like everyone else does. 

The OP asked what games we'll be playing if we aren't shoving money in EA's face; I answered him. He also claims BioWare isn't in the game of making sequels, which is completely absurd. DA2, ME3, SWTOR, C&C Generals 2: all sequels or expansions on previous works.

Modifié par Arturia Pendragon, 23 juin 2012 - 04:16 .

[animadpig]

MoldySpore wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Boycotting BioWare isn't necessary at all. The only thing people have to do is stop buying from hype or marketing. DO NOT buy games in the first day or week but wait until honest reviews are out (serious fan reviews) that tell you what the game is REALLY like. If it's not the quality that was promised, don't buy it. This is a very simple concept that, if done by lots of people, stops corporations from rushing games and making false promises. Because right now by the time people find out they have been cheated, millions of people have already pre ordered or bought the game on the first day, the developer and publisher already have the money...

Playing devil's advocate here, your way still requires SOME to take the leap of faith and buy the game. How shall we pick who does that with future Bioware titles? Draw straws? Rock Paper Scissors?

Oh! Maybe we can start a Kickstarter every time there is a Bioware game, raise enough $1 donations from the community to buy a bunch of copies for people to use for review?

Well, game company can always release a demo for free. It will not solve all the problems but is the thing that the compbay can do for sure.

[mashintao]

Which games? Let me list some...

Skyrim(modded and with all upcoming DLC's) (300+ hours in and still going strong)
Deus Ex: HR (just bought it off steam)
Mechwarrior Online (looks insane)
Borderlands 2
TW: Shogun 2
Starbound
GTA V (I STILL haven't finished GTA IV and all it's dlcs)
Starcraft II (heart of the swarm expansion)
Aliens: Colonial Marines
Arma III

I have so many games to play and buy in the next year! Too bad EA's games won't be among them unless they fix ME3.

Modifié par mashintao, 23 juin 2012 - 04:23 .

[Almighty_Hoogs]

Robhuzz wrote...

Boycotting BioWare isn't necessary at all. The only thing people have to do is stop buying from hype or marketing. DO NOT buy games in the first day or week but wait until honest reviews are out (serious fan reviews) that tell you what the game is REALLY like. If it's not the quality that was promised, don't buy it. This is a very simple concept that, if done by lots of people, stops corporations from rushing games and making false promises. Because right now by the time people find out they have been cheated, millions of people have already pre ordered or bought the game on the first day, the developer and publisher already have the money...

[Ranger3bn]

What the advent of the online gaming the trend for game developers has been to lessen the amount of time in development. The " we will patch later" mentality has been a common position for awhile now. This has allow games to be released in less than ideal conditions and has lead to low reviews ( rightly so) on new game. Making it almost a must to wait until the reviews are written and problems to be fixed.

The condition of some of these games on launch 10 yrs ago would have been written off as badly produced product and that would be the end of it. However, the willingness of the majority of gamers to allow game designers time to correct games after release is what causes this problem of games being so glitch infested.

I have played some game that had game ending glitches like NBA 2K, Ghost Recon future soldier, Fable 3 and even Mass Effect that I will only by games a month after the release and that is after I check their website and forums to see if the issues are corrected.

[Swordfishtrombone]

Well, I will only by an EA game if it has "Bioware" on it, but after the fiasko with ME3 endings, and the rather low replay value of the game, I won't be pre-ordering Bioware games anymore; I'll be more careful, and it's no longer inconceivable to me that I might skip a Bioware title completely.

That is simply the result of not only the flaws in ME3, but perhaps more importantly, the marketing tactics of the game, which I consider unethical.

ME3, apart from the abysmal ending, is a good game, though as I said before, I think it lacks replay value - it's a very good single playthrough experience, and would be a great single playrhough experience if the ending was even just mediocre. But I lost interest before completing my second run of the game, and that's rare for me for a Bioware title.

I still like Bioware, and they make good games. I'm just much less enthusiastic about them than I was some years ago.

[taggen86]

Arturia Pendragon wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

I don't think anyone is saying that, but all of those games have problems with some of their "fans" just like everyone else does. 

The OP asked what games we'll be playing if we aren't shoving money in EA's face; I answered him. He also claims BioWare isn't in the game of making sequels, which is completely absurd. DA2, ME3, SWTOR, C&C Generals 2: all sequels or expansions on previous works.

Nope, my point was that most of the developers are making sequels that are extremely similar to the games before (such as cod, assasins creed etc). However looking at mass effect and dragon age, both series had major changes between each game for good or for worse. Secondly, bioware tend to only make 1-2 sequels and then move on to new series, similar as valve.

[emp6]

taggen86 wrote...

Arturia Pendragon wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

I don't think anyone is saying that, but all of those games have problems with some of their "fans" just like everyone else does. 

The OP asked what games we'll be playing if we aren't shoving money in EA's face; I answered him. He also claims BioWare isn't in the game of making sequels, which is completely absurd. DA2, ME3, SWTOR, C&C Generals 2: all sequels or expansions on previous works.

Nope, my point was that most of the developers are making sequels that are extremely similar to the games before (such as cod, assasins creed etc). However looking at mass effect and dragon age, both series had major changes between each game for good or for worse. Secondly, bioware tend to only make 1-2 sequels and then move on to new series, similar as valve.

CoD =!= ME

You can't compare the production of a none story based game series (no pre/sequels) with the production of a story orientated series. Totally completely different things.

[Almighty_Hoogs]

I'll complain about what i want about, when i want to.

[Blueprotoss]

animadpig wrote...

Twilight? I dobut that is art. To me, Twilight is more like a product aim for teenager. I am glad Bethesda admit the mistake. No company will not make mistake. The only difference is that company will admit and correct it or not. Obviously, Bioware is the latter one. Art is given by people not the producer.

Whether we like it or not Twilight is treated as art epscially when its a novel and movie series.  Yet you can still say the same thing about Betheseda like Bortherhood of Steel.  Art can be done for individuals and groups of people while ME is for the people not for the indviduals just like most games and other mediums do.  Btw an artist produces art, which contradicts your stance.

Arturia Pendragon wrote...

The OP asked what games we'll be playing if we aren't shoving money in EA's face; I answered him. He also claims BioWare isn't in the game of making sequels, which is completely absurd. DA2, ME3, SWTOR, C&C Generals 2: all sequels or expansions on previous works.

Yet Bioware made sequels of Baldur's Gate and KotOR before tackling ME or DA.   Sequels have always been around especially when you look at Mario, Zelda, Sonic, Castlevania, Final Fantasy, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, GTA, Resident Evil, and Silent Hill while the list can go on and on.

emp6 wrote...

CoD =!= ME

You can't compare the production of a none story based game series (no pre/sequels) with the production of a story orientated series. Totally completely different things.

It seems like you just wanted to throw CoD under the bus, but if you must then you're better off throwing every other FPS and every Third Person Shooter under the bus as well. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 23 juin 2012 - 04:48 .

[umadcommander]

give it a few months, they'll be renamed EA Vancouver and id rather not be around when it happens

[spacehamsterZH]

I'm not going to boycot Bioware any more than I ever bought a game just because they made it, but really, there are other companies out there that make RPGs, y'know. I'll be disappointed if BW doesn't make anything I like anymore, but it doesn't mean I'll be out of games to play.

[Father_Jerusalem]

To all the people planning to boycott BioWare in the future:

Please start now. By going away.

Thank you.

[taggen86]

Emp6, okay lets compare it with a little more story based series such as uncharted, gears,halo then. The logic is still the same. It doesnt matter, There are bigger changes between me1 and me2 than between two games in most game series out there (that are within a single console generation). Series spanning over several console cycles are a different thing though.

Modifié par taggen86, 23 juin 2012 - 04:50 .

[taggen86]

taggen86 wrote...

Emp6, okay lets compare it with a little more story based series such as uncharted, gears,halo then. The logic is still the same. It doesnt matter, There are bigger changes between me1 and me2 than between two games in most game series out there (that are within a single console generation). Series spanning over several console cycles are a different thing though.

Some good tips on exciting games that are coming out in this thread. My gaming future is looking somewhat brighter now (but still dark as hell)

[Wrathra]

Controllerfreak wrote...

because of rising consumer expectations it makes it more difficult for games to turn a profit compared to how much they cost, games cost easily 40-70 mil for the most basic hardcore game. in order to be able to mitigate this risk publishers need to stick to what they know sells.

if you want this to change, buy more games, and buy them new.

Wait, I'm trying to honestly understand what you mean.  If this comes across as snark, I apologize, its not intended that way.

I read this as - Companies create crap games, so to stop them from making crap games, you should keep buying crap games so they have money to keep creating what sells (crap games). Seriously, am I misunderstanding?  

Companies usually won't change a formula that makes them money.  To protest something, you need to stop giving them money, not give them more and hope they change.  If a company takes a financial hit, they realize they misstepped and reevaluate.

[Arturia Pendragon]

taggen86 wrote...

Nope, my point was that most of the developers are making sequels that are extremely similar to the games before (such as cod, assasins creed etc). However looking at mass effect and dragon age, both series had major changes between each game for good or for worse. Secondly, bioware tend to only make 1-2 sequels and then move on to new series, similar as valve.

First, ME3 is extremely similar to a combination of ME2 and DA2; DA2 is extremely similar to DAO:A; SWTOR is extremely similar to WoW; CCG2 looks extremely similar to every other shooter on the market. Second:

Shattered Steel (1996) - MechWarrior rip-off
Baldur's Gate (1998)
Baldur's Gate: Tales of the Sword Coast (1999) - expansion
MDK2 (2000) - sequel
Baldur's Gate II : Shadows on Amn (2000) - sequel
Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal (2001) - expansion
Neverwinter Nights (2002) - Baldur's Gate in a different world
Neverwinter Nights: Shadows of Undrentide (2003) - expansion
Neverwinter Nights: Hordes of the Underdark (2003) - expansion
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (2003)
Neverwinter Nights: Kingmaker (2004) - expansion
Jade Empire (2005) - Asian-themed, KotOR-like
Mass Effect (2007) - TPS-themed, KoTOR-like
Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood (2008)
Mass Effect Galaxy (2009) - sequel
Dragon Age: Origins (2009) - "spiritual successor" to Baldur's Gate
Mass Effect 2 (2010) - sequel
Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening (2011) - expansion
Dragon Age II (2011) - sequel
Star Wars: The Old Republic (2011) - MMO-themed KotOR sequel
Mass Effect 3 (2012) - sequel
Command & Conquer: Generals II (2013) - sequel
Dragon Age III (TBA) - sequel

BioWare years active: 17 (1995-present)
Number of original IPs: 4 (Shattered Steel, Jade Empire, Mass Effect, Dragon Age)
 - Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights are from D&D, KotOR is Star Wars; they are not original IPs
Number of genres: 5 (FPS, overhead RPG, TPS, stylus-based/touchscreen action, MMORPG)
Number of new series: 10 (SS, BG, MDK, NW, KotOR, JE, ME, SC, DA, CC)
Number of sequels/expansion: 15

Note: They haven't made a new IP since 2009 (Dragon Age) and their last 7 games have all been sequels.

[BlueStorm83]

Wrathra wrote...

Controllerfreak wrote...

because of rising consumer expectations it makes it more difficult for games to turn a profit compared to how much they cost, games cost easily 40-70 mil for the most basic hardcore game. in order to be able to mitigate this risk publishers need to stick to what they know sells.

if you want this to change, buy more games, and buy them new.

Wait, I'm trying to honestly understand what you mean.  If this comes across as snark, I apologize, its not intended that way.

I read this as - Companies create crap games, so to stop them from making crap games, you should keep buying crap games so they have money to keep creating what sells (crap games). Seriously, am I misunderstanding?  

Companies usually won't change a formula that makes them money.  To protest something, you need to stop giving them money, not give them more and hope they change.  If a company takes a financial hit, they realize they misstepped and reevaluate.

---  Wow.  That's right up there with "Organics make synthetics that kill them, so to stop them from making killer synthetics I should keep making killer synthetics so they kill organics so they can't create synthetics to kill them."

No wonder this dude wants to keep buying BioWare's games with reckless abandon and without taking reality into account.