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[taggen86]

Arturia, please remove the expansions and the abysmal spinn off-games like me galaxy and u have my basic argument. Then compare the list to most of the other developers out there (except valve/bethesda and a few more which are more alike bw).

Modifié par taggen86, 23 juin 2012 - 05:15 .

[Arturia Pendragon]

taggen86 wrote...

Arturia, please remove the expansions and the abysmal spinn off-games and u have my basic argument. Then compare the list to most of the other developers out there (except valve/bethesda and a few more which are more alike bw).

If you have to cherry pick evidence in order to reach your conclusion, then your argument is false.

Modifié par Arturia Pendragon, 23 juin 2012 - 05:11 .

[o Ventus]

taggen86 wrote...

Just a question to all u people that say that u are not going to buy bioware-games in the future. What games are u going to play then? Call of duty 7? Battlefield 4? Assasins creed 6? Even though you may say that everything is EA's fault, the whole industry is actually going downhill rapidly. And as it stands bioware is almost the only developer left that makes interesting AAA titles that are not military shooters or sequels that are similar to the games before. And even though the storywriting and the dialogue in me3 are not perfect it is still far superior to everything in the industry. 

Bioware doesn't make sequels that are similar to the previous games?

Have you played ME2, then ME3? Barring the horrific, aneurysm-inducing ending of ME3, they're pretty similar in terms of shooter mechanics.

Or would you rather sequels switch genres every other installment?

[Tleining]

taggen86 wrote...

Just a question to all u people that say that u are not going to buy bioware-games in the future. What games are u going to play then? Call of duty 7? Battlefield 4? Assasins creed 6? Even though you may say that everything is EA's fault, the whole industry is actually going downhill rapidly. And as it stands bioware is almost the only developer left that makes interesting AAA titles that are not military shooters or sequels that are similar to the games before. And even though the storywriting and the dialogue in me3 are not perfect it is still far superior to everything in the industry.

maybe try to read a book?

One thing you apparently fail to understand: I'm not limited to Story-Rich Games. I like playing them, but i don't mind playing mindless shooters or Strategy-Games either. If Bioware can't deliver Games that are up to their usual standards, i'm not willing to pay the usual price. As it is unlikely that Bioware/EA is going to reduce the Price for New Games, i'm just going to spend my Money elsewhere.

As for ME3s Storywriting and dialogue still being far superior to everything else in the industry. That's your opinion. One i don't share. And ME3 is an Action-RPG that really comes across as a Military Shooter.

[emp6]

taggen86 wrote...

Emp6, okay lets compare it with a little more story based series such as uncharted, gears,halo then. The logic is still the same. It doesnt matter, There are bigger changes between me1 and me2 than between two games in most game series out there (that are within a single console generation). Series spanning over several console cycles are a different thing though.

I understand the point you're trying to make. But I don't think it applies. Microsoft proofed that you can make a lot of good sequels to a game (except Halo 2 maybe). Also did Rockstar or Bethesda.

After all it comes down to your talent in making games. If you suck at making games there is no difference in developing 6 different games or 2 different games with 2 sequels - you're game will still suck.

Of course there is a tendency in the game industry to make sequels of commercial successful games because there is a fanbase that will buy the game at a propabilty of 0,5-0,75. It's a business thing. 

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

To all the people planning to boycott BioWare in the future:

Please start now. By going away.

Thank you.

You're a wise man aren't you?

Modifié par emp6, 23 juin 2012 - 05:34 .

[Blueprotoss]

BlueStorm83 wrote...

---  Wow.  That's right up there with "Organics make synthetics that kill them, so to stop them from making killer synthetics I should keep making killer synthetics so they kill organics so they can't create synthetics to kill them."

No wonder this dude wants to keep buying BioWare's games with reckless abandon and without taking reality into account.

Yet the whole "created will kill the created" isn't anything new and shouldn't be an issue especially when we're talking about science fiction and robots.

Arturia Pendragon wrote...

If you have to cherry pick evidence in order to reach your conclusion, then your argument is false.

Yet you're using opinion to face another opinion, which means you aren't going to get anything done by trying to start an arguement.   Btw ME3 and DA2 are standard Action RPGs while ME2 was more of a Shooter, which thats a fact.

o Ventus wrote...

Bioware doesn't make sequels that are similar to the previous games?

Have you played ME2, then ME3? Barring the horrific, aneurysm-inducing ending of ME3, they're pretty similar in terms of shooter mechanics.

Or would you rather sequels switch genres every other installment?

KotOR and Jade Empire are very similar based on their gameplay.

ME3 has a little bit more Shooter mechanic then ME2 and ME3 also has a lot more RPG elements then ME2.

Actually some sequels do switch genres while thats a different story.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 23 juin 2012 - 05:24 .

[Orkfaeller]

Its funny because ME3 is propably the most uninovative game Bioware has ever created.
I think the most inovative thing in this game were turretsequences...

[kiyomizu]

Blueprotoss wrote...

fan reviews is one of the good examples of biased reviews since they have a set of pros that can't be broken based on the previous game.  Hell most of the RE "fans" won't like any of the new games until the series goes back to the gameplay that RE1 - Veronica had. Another example is the race specific Single player campaigns that Stracraft 2 is doing.

If I had to choose between fan bias reviews, invested "review" sites like IGN or reviewers who don't get a chance/bother to finish the game, I think I will stick to the reviews of fans thanks.

Modifié par kiyomizu, 23 juin 2012 - 05:27 .

[JohnCena94]

taggen86 wrote...

Just a question to all u people that say that u are not going to buy bioware-games in the future. What games are u going to play then? Call of duty 7? Battlefield 4? Assasins creed 6? Even though you may say that everything is EA's fault, the whole industry is actually going downhill rapidly. And as it stands bioware is almost the only developer left that makes interesting AAA titles that are not military shooters or sequels that are similar to the games before. And even though the storywriting and the dialogue in me3 are not perfect it is still far superior to everything in the industry. 

I could play any number of future games including very likely a future witcher sequel, assasins creed, fallout, wastleland, elderscrolls, and many more. That being said I doubt I will boycott Bioware.  The only way I would even consider a boycott would be after Dragon Age 3, and even then they would have to really screw it up.

[o Ventus]

Blueprotoss wrote...

KotOR and Jade Empire are very similar based on their gameplay.

ME3 has a little bit more Shooter mechanic then ME2 and ME3 also has a lot more RPG elements then ME2.

Actually some sequels do switch genres while thats a different story.

When has a sequel actually done an about-face and switched genres? I'm talking full sequels too, not just different entries in a franchise.

[Blueprotoss]

kiyomizu wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

fan reviews is one of the good examples of biased reviews since they have a set of pros that can't be broken based on the previous game.  Hell most of the RE "fans" won't like any of the new games until the series goes back to the gameplay that RE1 - Veronica had. Another example is the race specific Single player campaigns that Stracraft 2 is doing.

And yet they didn't give 75 perfect reviews for the garbage I pre-ordered.  I think their 'bias" is just fine.

Don't you mean the fan ignorance and most of the critics weren't biased based on how they had a neutral stance.

[kiyomizu]

Blueprotoss wrote...

kiyomizu wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

fan reviews is one of the good examples of biased reviews since they have a set of pros that can't be broken based on the previous game.  Hell most of the RE "fans" won't like any of the new games until the series goes back to the gameplay that RE1 - Veronica had. Another example is the race specific Single player campaigns that Stracraft 2 is doing.

And yet they didn't give 75 perfect reviews for the garbage I pre-ordered.  I think their 'bias" is just fine.

Don't you mean the fan ignorance and most of the critics weren't biased based on how they had a neutral stance.

Nope, I mean

[KotorEffect3]

In my opinon people that actualy follow through with boycotting a developer are people that stop completely, meaning these are people that stop coming to the forums as well because if you are done with a dev what is the point of going to their forums? So I have a hard time believing people that are still here nearly 4 months post release saying they will boycott bioware indefinitely in most of those cases people are just blowing smoke in my opinion. I know they say they will wait for the EC but chances are if people are truly done with ME or bioware in general they won't care about the EC anyway especialy since it was confirmed back when the EC was first announced that the EC doesn't really change anything, it just clarifies and explains things.

Modifié par KotorEffect3, 23 juin 2012 - 05:32 .

[taggen86]

Orkfaeller wrote...

Its funny because ME3 is propably the most uninovative game Bioware has ever created.
I think the most inovative thing in this game were turretsequences...

Yepp, because of this I hope (and I belive) that ME3 was the last major game in the ME-universe or of its kind, and that bw will do something new for the next gen. Looking at the past history of bioware this is what I would predict. Also as I have written in another thread, the me games (especially the first one) have not sold as much as the fans want to belive. Lets hope that bw wont go safe on the next one and are ready to take som risks (in this they need our support) otherwise we will get a fps

[Blueprotoss]

o Ventus wrote...

When has a sequel actually done an about-face and switched genres? I'm talking full sequels too, not just different entries in a franchise.

X-Com is being made into a FPS game.  C & C had Renegade, which was a FPS.  Front Mission: Evolved was made into an Armored Core game.  Splinter Cell : Conviction was  MGSesque game.  Btw those are just a few examples.

[taggen86]

taggen86 wrote...

Orkfaeller wrote...

Its funny because ME3 is propably the most uninovative game Bioware has ever created.
I think the most inovative thing in this game were turretsequences...

Yepp, because of this I hope (and I belive) that ME3 was the last major game in the ME-universe or of its kind, and that bw will do something new for the next gen. Looking at the past history of bioware this is what I would predict. Also as I have written in another thread, the me games (especially the first one) have not sold as much as the fans want to belive. Lets hope that bw wont go safe on the next one and are ready to take som risks (in this they need our support) otherwise we will get a fps

[o Ventus]

Blueprotoss wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

When has a sequel actually done an about-face and switched genres? I'm talking full sequels too, not just different entries in a franchise.

X-Com is being made into a FPS game.  C & C had Renegade, which was a FPS.  Front Mission: Evolved was made into an Armored Core game.  Splinter Cell : Conviction was  MGSesque game.  Btw those are just a few examples.

The X-Com FPS isn't a sequel. CnC Renegade is a spin-off. Front Mission: Evolved is also a spin-off. All of the SC games have been Action/Stealth hybrids, and Conviction is no exception.

[Mr.House]

The only part of Bioware that will get my money is TOR because that division is at least doing stuff I like and the game keeps me interested. I have no interest in buying ME dlc or DA3, unless I hear they are very very very very very good from reliable sources.

Also any products that have Casey Hudson and Mac Walters, I'm ignoring it.

[Tleining]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Yet you're using opinion to face another opinion, which means you aren't going to get anything done by trying to start an arguement.   Btw ME3 and DA2 are standard Action RPGs while ME2 was more of a Shooter, which thats a fact.

no, saying stuff without explaining it or backing it up doesn't make it a fact. It might be your Opinion, but that's about it. Though i would really like to know what elevated ME3 to an ActionRPG, while leaving ME2 as the lone Shooter.

[Daforth]

Controllerfreak wrote...

because of rising consumer expectations it makes it more difficult for games to turn a profit compared to how much they cost, games cost easily 40-70 mil for the most basic hardcore game. in order to be able to mitigate this risk publishers need to stick to what they know sells.

if you want this to change, buy more games, and buy them new.

That is a totally wrong approach and in same time stupid. If I buy these ****games nowadays big publishers force to make (with some few exceptions, like Deus Ex HR or Skyrim) THEN they think this is what customers want so they make more!  (See, FIFA, CoD series) The thing is that if the majority of the customers want to change (which I doubt) the way would be the opposite, don't buy these games, let the publishers/producers struggle, let their shareholder "revolt" after seeing stock drop and no revenew, let them kick out CEOs and others and let them think how can make the businness profitable againg. Buying blindly what they make and hope that if they get enough money they produce good games again is naive and won't happen.

However this is only a whisfull thinking and never happen. There is enough customer base on console that these oversimplified, stupid games will be sold enough to keep ther money up. The only thing will be decline - more - is the quality of PC games, if they will be at all. For PC, there will be the time when only MMOs and ****ty console action, button mashing game ports will be available.  (Look what happend with DA:O -> DA2)

In theory the customers only control on market is to buy what they like and don't buy what they don't like, so the extent of the summary buy/don't buy sorts the products/companies out. So if anyone does not like these games nowadays (including how EA/BW operates nowadays) the worst thing to do is buying them, as it makes the status quo stay.

Modifié par Daforth, 23 juin 2012 - 05:54 .

[o Ventus]

Tleining wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Yet you're using opinion to face another opinion, which means you aren't going to get anything done by trying to start an arguement.   Btw ME3 and DA2 are standard Action RPGs while ME2 was more of a Shooter, which thats a fact.

no, saying stuff without explaining it or backing it up doesn't make it a fact. It might be your Opinion, but that's about it. Though i would really like to know what elevated ME3 to an ActionRPG, while leaving ME2 as the lone Shooter.

Genres are mutually exclusive now, didn'tcha know?

[Dylionez]

If it has a sale on Steam, I'll buy it no matter what it is

[Paulus magintie]

I would most likely play Halo.

As long as the game isn't made by bioware, published by EA or Activision (Except bungies) then i'll play it. Oh and Ubisoft can bugger off as well.

[MattFini]

taggen86 wrote...

Just a question to all u people that say that u are not going to buy bioware-games in the future. What games are u going to play then? Call of duty 7? Battlefield 4? Assasins creed 6? Even though you may say that everything is EA's fault, the whole industry is actually going downhill rapidly. And as it stands bioware is almost the only developer left that makes interesting AAA titles that are not military shooters or sequels that are similar to the games before. And even though the storywriting and the dialogue in me3 are not perfect it is still far superior to everything in the industry. 

If the EC is a total failure, I am done with ME3 completely.

But I won't be foolish enough to say "never again, BioWare" - I'll just wait and see what the BSN says about any future game before buying.  

And no, I don't play COD, Battlefield or anything else anymore.  I just play less games is all.