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ME3 EC podcast.... OK so we get our closure.... who wants or wanted a Happy ending from the beginning?


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Total Biscuit wrote...

The vast majority of humans, easily 95% plus, vastly prefer happy endings, and overwhelmingly happy endings at that.

It's most likely genetic. We learn through stories, and we are genetically programmed to pay attention and like stories that tell us how to get a happy life and succeed in our goals. As we've evolved, and become both mentally and socially more advanced, so have our stories, but still, we want to hear about people we can relate to getting the girl/guy, saving the day, and generally being awesome.

There's exceptions of course, but far and away the most popular stories have happy, satisfying endings, where the protaganist achieves their goals, that's a universal truth.

And Mass Effect had us 2 and 9/10's of a series that had just that, which is a major factor in why they are so incredibly loved.

Pissing that away in an attempt to be clever and different is amateur, teenage rebellion levels of artistry, doing something shocking and unconventional not because it's going to be enjoyed or because it's a good idea, but simply to stand out. It's annoying when teenagers who don't know any better do it, and damned infuriating when a profesional writer does it, especially when they're completely blind to how unpopular and clichéd doing so is.

Personally, I'd have been ok wih heroic sacrifice if Shepard had achieved what they were supposed to. Saved the universe, got the characters we're told to care about through it safely, allowed everything the game tells you you're fighting for to come to pass and killed the big bads once and for all.

Even then, the vast majority would think its not good enough, since Shepard would be dead.

Bioware royally screwed up by forgetting that they were writing this game for the general public, not patsys and jaded reviewers who've lost sight of what's actually enjoyable amongst the see of generic bad writing that infests gaming, assuming they even saw the endings, as most didn't of course.

Anyone with even a basic knowledge of popular media would have, SHOULD have known that you have to damned well earn any ending that's less than totally happy and have it go down well with a large customer base, especially when you've made those customers expect happy endings with the previous products. Acting like its only a minority that will be unhappy is stupid, because they should know they deliberately made something most people don't like, even before they started down the clarity and closure route.



Well said

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Necrotron

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I don't mind sacrifice as long as it is heroic.  But if you're writing a story and you plan to kill another player's character, it had better darn well be satisfying.  Nothing about ME3's ending was satisfying.

Having the main villain give me three choices of how I want to die that all in some way either force me to forsake my morality (Destroy, Synthesis) or be foolish and follow in the way that has indoctrinated others (Control) is not heroic, it just makes a tragedy that is frustrating to experience.

Modifié par Bathaius, 23 juin 2012 - 10:50 .


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BDelacroix

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Star kid says "no, you can't".

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eoinnx03

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Yup my Shepard wanted little blue children. Not death, death with a side of DEATH.

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Btw, I think I've read portions of what was said in this podcast before. Is this a recent recording?

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eoinnx03

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The more I think about it, the more I feel it's going to be bad. I think I may hold off on the 26th to see what other people think of it. I felt like crap for 2 weeks after ME3, I don't want to do that again.

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I've always wanted a chance for a happy ending. You'd think in a game like Mass Effect variety, especially concerning endings, would be a given.

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N7Infernox

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I would kill some happy ending. And Shepard deserves to live; he basically is the player after all.

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My happy ending would be where Shepard is alive and with her/his LI and crew, Reapers are destoyed and no other race goes extinct and preferably no Mass Relays get destroyed. So basically I'm having some problems with all current endings. In control Shepard dies, Mass Relays gets destroyed and I just had spend entire game arguing with TIM how it's not possible and wrong, In Synthesis Shepard dies, Mass Relays gets destroyed and that choice in overall is just ugh :sick: for me. Then in Destroy Shepard might live and maybe reunite with crew in EC but Mass Relays gets destroyed and geth and EDI dies. Choosing Destroy after achieving peace between geth and quarians just makes me feel bad. So there doesn't seem to be fully happy ending for me :crying:

I don't like forced deaths on characters that players create, that are all unique and personal to players in games that are about making choices. They should have choice if those characters are willing to sacrifice themselfs to save the world/galaxy or people they care about. Or do they rather try to find other way or just say screw this? Well that's my opinion anyhow.

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i want a happy ending, and i also want a Reapers win ending, i was expecting variety alas there wasn't

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It's kind of hard to have a 'happy ending' and 'no new endings' in the same DLC.

It's clarity and closure, nothing else.

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While I don't always go on suicide missions, when I do, I come back alive.

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RADIUMEYEZ

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I wanted the option to have a happy ending not just a happy ending.

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SJNKD

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^^same, wanted the option. Deserve to at least have the option, Shepard has saved the galaxy enough times to deserve that.

Also think we should of had a reaper win ending, not that I ever witness it, I can get 4000+ EMS without even trying.

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Omega Torsk

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I always wanted the option to have a happy ending... always...

Modifié par Omega Torsk, 24 juin 2012 - 04:26 .


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"happy".,...I wanted the option in at least 1 ending for shep to live and reunite w/ LI, and that is the ultimate happy for me....I dont think all my crew should ever survive, its infuriating to me that it appears liara, james, javik, edi and garrus if alive can never die or at least it isnt shown....there should be death and consequence, just not always shepards no matter what-THAT is utter BS

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Landon7001

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"happy".,...I wanted the option in at least 1 ending for shep to live and reunite w/ LI, and that is the ultimate happy for me....I dont think all my crew should ever survive, its infuriating to me that it appears liara, james, javik, edi and garrus if alive can never die or at least it isnt shown....there should be death and consequence, just not always shepards no matter what-THAT is utter BS

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I wanted an ending where sheperd + LI end up together for the rest of there lives(cliche I know but whatever) and the galaxy was saved. An ending like this wouldn't even be all sunshine and bunnies either because even if the reapers are destroyed pretty much 80% of the galaxy is in ruins.

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Kesak12 wrote...

I want the option to have a happy ending.



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eoinnx03 wrote...

The more I think about it, the more I feel it's going to be bad. I think I may hold off on the 26th to see what other people think of it. I felt like crap for 2 weeks after ME3, I don't want to do that again.


Yup.  Bioware seems to have completely lost touch with their audience.  Do they really think we need these endings "clarified"?  

No, we want happier alternatives!  You don't end Star Wars with a Blade Runner ending.

I predict Comicon's gonna be a lot less cheerful than it was last year.

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I just want to have an option of having a happy-er ending (shep alive and gets back together with her/his LI + surviving squaddies. I'd still count this as 'bittersweet' because the damage and body counts from the Reaper War is nothing to sneeze at) and an option where Shep cannot stop the cycle, everyone got harvested horribly and get to see Liara's time capsule being deployed.. And anything else in between.

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iakus wrote...

eoinnx03 wrote...

The more I think about it, the more I feel it's going to be bad. I think I may hold off on the 26th to see what other people think of it. I felt like crap for 2 weeks after ME3, I don't want to do that again.


Yup.  Bioware seems to have completely lost touch with their audience.  Do they really think we need these endings "clarified"?  

No, we want happier alternatives!  You don't end Star Wars with a Blade Runner ending.

You don't end Star Wars without the Expanded Universe either.

Of course, Mass Effect never was Star Wars either. Star Wars had an Empire Strikes Back, while 'ME3 with perfect happy' ending would have been one heroic high to the next.

I predict Comicon's gonna be a lot less cheerful than it was last year.

They can suck it up and focus on other things, then. Like comics. And anime.

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ardias89

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I dont care about a happy ending i just want something that was epic not some wierd stuff like the thing we got.

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is wanting a happy ending or a ending where in the main people (Shepard LI and crew) live to talk about it such a complex and unusual thing?

I thought it was a rather basic  and simple thing till now and I can't understand the ones who dint want that as at least a choice.

If you liked it because you felt it was something new or unique the I would recommend you widen your scope so far as films, games and books go.

Modifié par christrek1982, 24 juin 2012 - 02:35 .


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"who wants or wanted a Happy ending... ?"

Me.

We were supposed to have the choice to have a happy end (also a bad end).
I think if we got the option of a 100 % happy ending, with Shepard alive, get married with his LI, with a ceremony to all the deads in the entire trilogy, many people would be satified.

And the "very d4rk" endings are as stereotypical as good endings.