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[fantasypisces]

Hey everyone, so towards the end of the game (level 19 PC 18 companions) I tried using Sten because I have never used him before... and so far not that impressed because his damage is rather lacking.

He is only hitting for 50ish damage most of the time. The problem is my duel wield warrior hits that hard with each weapon, and attacks pretty much twice as fast (a lot faster if I use momentum). Both my PC and Sten have 55 strength, soooo... what gives?

Am I doing something wrong?
He has full 2-hand talents, with warrior up to Death Blow, and two talents in Champion.
He is wielding Maetashear War Axe and is wearing the dragon scale dragon bone set.

[OneBadAssMother]

50ish damage with FIFTY FIVE STR?! What sword is he using?!

[fantasypisces]

Well, against darkspawn it is more like 70ish... but like I said, he is using Maetashear War Axe, from the High Dragon.

[OneBadAssMother]

That's rather low, it should be close to 100 for standard attacks at this level.



Get him to use his sunder line of talents - he should not be using standard attacks. 2h-warriors are stamina based. Sunder arms/armor are 2 hits instead of 1 which means 100-200 damage.



Also, axes/maces/hammers are for armor piercing. To be honest I found it more rewarding to just use 2-handed swords.

[fantasypisces]

Been using the Sunder Line, so I don't know. The Maetashear axe had everything better than Asala (which is the best 2-handed sword my party owns), higher damage, higher armor piercing, comparable crit rate. So I don't know. But so far his highest hit has only been 94 and it was a crit. Back off to camp to drop his butt again I guess (going to be finishing three playthroughs without ever using Sten for any length of time, how sad haha).

Modifié par fantasypisces, 14 décembre 2009 - 04:03 .

[Osz]

You should have pumped every stat into strength for Sten. Give him the Chasind Maul and haste and set his tactics to scrapper. Watch him go ape **** crazy on everything. Or if the Maul is too expensive you can give him Starfang. If you don't have the DLC then my last recommendation would be to give him Yusaris I guess. Haste is pretty essential in making a 2h warrior go boom, but then it would counteract your dual wield warrior's momentum. Up to you if you wanna take the hit to see how sten works.

[OneBadAssMother]

fantasypisces wrote...

Been using the Sunder Line, so I don't know. The Maetashear axe had everything better than Asala (which is the best 2-handed sword my party owns), higher damage, higher armor piercing, comparable crit rate. So I don't know. But so far his highest hit has only been 94 and it was a crit. Back off to camp to drop his butt again I guess (going to be finishing three playthroughs without ever using Sten for any length of time, how sad haha).

Asala is a tier 3 sword, it has +12 attack but... damage... AAAAAAAARGH! A 2hander at that level should be hitting ~160 in a critical as well. I've never used the Maetashear axe, and if I never used it, it must mean it sux xD

Still, guess that's just what happens when you dont use a particular party member throughout most ot game - and hence dont train/build them right, they tend to suck =)

Chasind Maul

That one should be Oghrens!

Modifié par OneBadAssMother, 14 décembre 2009 - 04:15 .

[fantasypisces]

How did I not build him right? Every point in 2-hand trees, through Death Blow, what? was I supposed to give him duel weapon mastery? (end sarcasm).



To Osz, yeah I'm not putting that much effort into a companion that generally doesn't fit my party build. Only replaced Alistair with Sten because my duel-wield warrior was so invincible that I didn't even need a tank. Yes haste would be nice, but it's too late upping Morrigan or Wynn's talents just for Sten.



And Chasined Great Maul would be good for him, but I'm not spending that much money on him (instead I bought things for my PC, and for Leliana who I have used since I picked her up -- and I'm romancing, for some RP incentive).



So, besides building my entire party around him, his damage is either bugged for me somehow, or 2hand damage isn't really all that for a companion.



Thanks though

[OneBadAssMother]

Well if you HAD carried him around like a core party member - you would have had the Chasind Maul for him by now for example or at least Yusaris/Ageless/Starfang, instead of a 2nd-rate axe I've noticed throughout gameplay this has always been the case.



It's hard to fully optimize all 9 companions... and expensive.



With high STR for both damage and hit rate; 2handed damage should be ~100 a standard hit, 200 for sunder talents, and ~160 for critical attacks. If Sten lags behind that, then it's obvious he's not your core party member.

[T1l]

Having to have a mage run Haste in your party to make two-handers worth a damn is my main complaint with the whole two-handed tree. DW is better damage and Sword/Shield is better tanking. Two-handed warriors really don’t bring anything unique to the party, either. They add nothing that someone else of another spec or class can’t bring, and more over, other specs and classes are better at doing what ever it is you’re trying to make a two-handed warrior do.

The only reason you'd roll a two-handed tank is to be different; although even then it's a stretch. Sten and Oghren are both two-handeded Warriors. You really don't need a third in your party… but hey, who am I to tell you how to play? Do what you want.

Modifié par T1l, 14 décembre 2009 - 04:33 .

[OneBadAssMother]

2Handers do not need haste as long as they can keep using their talents. There's a 2handed-warrior guide in this section that explains how to use a 2handed build.



As for DW damage, yes 80-100 damage per hit as a DW rogue actually made me wonder how I was going to ever play a warrior again. That changed when on my 2nd 2handed playthrough (my first sucked), I learnt how to use them correctly.

[fantasypisces]

Ahh, so yeah, defenitly dropping him off at camp. The companions I generally optimize (or at least this playthrough) have been my PC, Alistair, Leliana, Morrigan... sometimes I then do Wynne and Zevran. Shale and Dog you really can't. So Sten and Oghren always fall really low on the chain, because I never use any of them, for some of the reasons T1\\ stated.

[fantasypisces]

On another note, you don't HAVE to buy the best gear to have any of the other companions be effective, but you do for Sten and Oghren, how sad.

[Timortis]

With my 2 Hander, without any party buffs, I was hitting for 110-130.

[OneBadAssMother]

With my 2 Hander, without any party buffs, I was hitting for 110-130.

A PC 2hander will obviously always be a lot better then a NPC 2hander

[JJM152]

The computer builds Sten retarded. It attempts to build characters so that they are all around mediocre, yet not difficult to use. Sten unfortunately has a lot of points assigned to stuff he doesn't need.

[fantasypisces]

Switched to Oghren to see if something was wrong. They have the same build, except I picked Oghren up really late (level 18) so he only has 44 strength.

Anyway, Sten has 11 more strength than Oghren but both do the exact same damage in the same gear. Odd.
Oghren misses a tad more is the only difference (the game, before I picked him up) put a lot of points into Con.

Modifié par fantasypisces, 14 décembre 2009 - 05:40 .

[Timortis]

OneBadAssMother wrote...

A PC 2hander will obviously always be a lot better then a NPC 2hander

I know, I was just giving a reference to what proper 2H damage is like, for comparison.

[DLAN_Immortality]

Yep. My main char uses a great sword (cuz u know, we paladins like big swords) and she sucks big time, so it's only for RP purposes.



Therefore, if what you want is a killing machine, use a mage :-D

[Naxarrath]

You could buy Meteor Sword from Gorim, it's actually rather good for decent price.

[eterna2]

209 was my best hit with my main char who wield starfang/starfury.



Average hit was around 80~150. In fact, I can take out logain with just 3~4 hits.

[Darth_Shizz]

This is odd, because even my Sten hit harder...WITH Asala and the same strength...and 6 levels lower



I can understand hitting for maybe 60ish on highly armoured opponents before any sort of armour debuff, but if you said it's most of the time, that seems pretty poor. 55 str @ 18 isn't great btw.

[I ReVaNChisT I]

you havnt been putting enough pounts into strength for sten id say, my 2h is doing average 110 to 130 a hit with 77+11 str im using great chasind maul and 2 grand silverite runes, with final blow talent my greatest damage is 340 and i crit at around 180- 200

Modifié par I ReVaNChisT I, 14 décembre 2009 - 03:34 .

[Vormaerin]

Generally speaking, there are three "builds" for a Warrior:



Max DPS: This is the dual wield line. You'll do more damage this way than any other.

Tanking: This is the sword and shield line. Lots of defense, decent damage.

Crowd Control: This is the 2h line. Unless you min/max your Str and buy tons of gear, this isn't going to match a dual wielding character's damage. But you will be able to disable bad guys all over the place.



My last run through, I had Sten, my 2h Warrior, Leilana, and one of Dog/Oghren/Loghain. With multiple War Cries, Pommel Strikes, Two Weapon Sweeps, and the auto stun chance 2h fighters get (plus some Paralysis runes and/or concentrated deathroot), I rarely had bad guys actually on their feet and fighting me unless it was one of those "perched archers behind traps/barricades/whatever" ambushes. I didn't buy any of the tomes or uber items (too much money spent on healing potions and bombs...can't stop all damage, after all) and don't have the Warden's Keep DLC, so I was doing about the damage mentioned in the OP. Weapons at endgame were Yusaris and Trian's Maul (and Topsider's Honor for Loghain). Still got the job done.

[fantasypisces]

He was 55 strength at 17, and that was with me putting 95% of points into str since I got him, so I don't know how I could have raised it higher. Anyway, I had plenty of money still and got him the Chasined Great Maul and his damage sky rocketed (well, not really, but it went fom high50/low60 to high70/low80 with 120-140 crits. Still never really used him in my parties though.



So how do you all propose building a 2-hander then, because I was going to try one as my next character. Just pretty much 70% of points into str rest into Dex/Willpower?