memorysquid wrote...
Never read Banks before and after looking at the Wiki on "The Culture" I never will.
After I interacted with some of his fans, I determined that I never would either.
The ethics of ME
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Posté 31 janvier 2014 - 07:22
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After I interacted with some of his fans, I determined that I never would either.
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Posté 31 janvier 2014 - 08:14
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jamesp81 wrote...
memorysquid wrote...
Never read Banks before and after looking at the Wiki on "The Culture" I never will.
After I interacted with some of his fans, I determined that I never would either.
What's wrong with them?
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Posté 31 janvier 2014 - 08:28
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I don't think the ending has anything to do with ethics. Green is transcension, Blue veers towards friendliness to synthetics (but not quite transcension), and Red pushes forward an organic agenda. They're not moral considerations, but evolutionary/genetic ones.
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Posté 31 janvier 2014 - 09:08
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I think the ending has to do with morality, but not ethics.
You're going to do a good thing no matter what. It's what kind of good thing, and what sort of evolution you support.
There's other stuff, but it's not as immediately important to most players.
You're going to do a good thing no matter what. It's what kind of good thing, and what sort of evolution you support.
There's other stuff, but it's not as immediately important to most players.
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Posté 01 février 2014 - 05:43
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Well... you could look at the game as an assertion of Dualism over Functionalism.
The argument that the Krogan can change their behavior, and that their brutal antagonistic behavior is not just an unchangeable product of their bio-physical makeup and their environment does imply that there is a separate consciousness independent of the body able to make decisions independent of its influences.
Legion's, "Does this unit have a soul?" question is a more obvious allusion to a hope(?) of Dualism. It was essentially asking if it was simply a machine responding to its environment in a simulation of life, similar to John Searle's Chinese Room thought experiment, or if it was "truly" alive as some people believe themselves to be; that by virtue of the Geth's complexity, they/it had created a separate and distinct consciousness able to choose it's own destiny.
This all gets spun in at the end with the Catayst's production, and Shepard's "Organic Energy" and Essence, which would be that other non-obvious-or-currently-detectable non-biophysical consciousness part of the Dualism. In addition, Functionalism implies that what we perceive as consciousness, is really just a complex organic machine responding to the environment in a deterministic manner, which implies Determinism, and gives credence to the possibility that the Catalyst can in fact predict the outcome of organic civilization. Calling that ability to predict into question, which is what many players did (or just flat out denying Determinism) implies free will or Libertarianism, through Dualism.
...unless you believe there is such a thing as a non-deterministic machine/computer.
Anyway, once you assert choice, then that implies a need for ethical analysis (a basis of determining the right and wrong choice) and by extension some moral code.
Well... you could look at the game as an assertion of Dualism over Functionalism.
The argument that the Krogan can change their behavior, and that their brutal antagonistic behavior is not just an unchangeable product of their bio-physical makeup and their environment does imply that there is a separate consciousness independent of the body able to make decisions independent of its influences.
Legion's, "Does this unit have a soul?" question is a more obvious allusion to a hope(?) of Dualism. It was essentially asking if it was simply a machine responding to its environment in a simulation of life, similar to John Searle's Chinese Room thought experiment, or if it was "truly" alive as some people believe themselves to be; that by virtue of the Geth's complexity, they/it had created a separate and distinct consciousness able to choose it's own destiny.
This all gets spun in at the end with the Catayst's production, and Shepard's "Organic Energy" and Essence, which would be that other non-obvious-or-currently-detectable non-biophysical consciousness part of the Dualism. In addition, Functionalism implies that what we perceive as consciousness, is really just a complex organic machine responding to the environment in a deterministic manner, which implies Determinism, and gives credence to the possibility that the Catalyst can in fact predict the outcome of organic civilization. Calling that ability to predict into question, which is what many players did (or just flat out denying Determinism) implies free will or Libertarianism, through Dualism.
...unless you believe there is such a thing as a non-deterministic machine/computer.
Anyway, once you assert choice, then that implies a need for ethical analysis (a basis of determining the right and wrong choice) and by extension some moral code.
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