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Krogan Vanguard - the most OP char in the game.

Débuté par niripas , juin 24 2012 06:23

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#51
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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 10:11

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MagicThoughts wrote...

the hell is this garbage? people want to nerf every single damn thing?

It's just butthurt GI.

#52
Stance Punk
Posté 24 juin 2012 - 10:15

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You give up firepower for survivability with that class. Gotta keep the Charge ready as much as possible.

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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 10:15

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Go charge a banshee on gold and watch them catch in mid charge. Is that op?

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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 10:15

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Oh great, another 'nerf this' thread... like we really need more?Posted Image

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FlowCytometry
Posté 24 juin 2012 - 10:20

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KV isn't OP for Gold; quit w/ this nonsense, guys.

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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 10:20

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Meatiershower wrote...

OP - how do you get 8 power reset cards?! Me want!


I would gladly give you all of mine if I could.

#57
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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 10:21

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FlowCytometry wrote...

KV isn't OP for Gold; quit w/ this nonsense, guys.


KV is more powerful than an infiltrator if used right.

#58
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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 10:22

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This thread just shows how Biotic Charge is quietly one of the best powers in ME3. It makes all the Vanguards viable because its basically a recharging Spec Ops pack that sets off explosions and TB's, gives invulnerability frames, increases ground covered, and gives damage bonuses.

Throw in Nova (which goes absolutely hand-in-hand with Charge) or Barriers + 1600/1600, or Cluster Nades and you have some very viable classes.

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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 10:29

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Xaijin wrote...

Cool story bro but I've never scored 200K as a Krogaurd except when soloing. GI is hee haw redonkulous and your one subjective play time adventure means jack against lifetime metrics by competent players.

It's not at all difficult if your team is bad enough:
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He was already one of my favourite classes pre-Rebellion, but the Reegar X and Shield Booster V make him just obscenely powerful. It's perfectly viable to charge him straight into a Geth spawn with two primes and their escort of hunters/pyros and come out unscathed. Or handle a wave of 2-4 phantoms with equal ease - in fact, as long as you have ammo packs to burn, you can just engage a repeatedly spawning wave of phantoms.

Plus, he's one of the best classes for most objective waves - charge across the map to kill the target, carry the pizza while soaking up huge amounts of damage or cap an exposed objective while taking fire. And he's one of the best medics - charge in, recharge your shields and stagger enemies, rez your mate, then charge again and kick the crap out of the enemies to allow your mate to get to safety.

So basically, he may not do as much damage as the most optimally specced and played GIs, but he's damn close and is almost as versatile.

Don't want to see him get nerfed though, especially since he's already bugged anyway. So yeah, let's just pretend he sucks, don't give Bioware any ideas :)

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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 10:35

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The whole point of this thread was to make people to think a little. Each class, even different builds on the same class have it's purpose. On Glacier two kroguards and adept are just unstoppable, constantly moving force. Infiltrator (and that was a good one, actually) had very little to do (covering our six, helping with bosses). High DPS infiltrator is just much easier to learn than high DPS kroguard. As to fulfilling other tasks - looks like most players (especially newer ones) are just forgetting what "infiltrator" means. I just have enough of reading "nerf this, nerf that" - it's co-op, darn it. The whole point is to survive mission and fulfil objectives with the SQUAD.

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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 10:36

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wait wait wait... Krogan Vanguard has 4k shields? , me wants your Krogan.
normal one has 1800?...in which world am i living that my Kroguard only has 1600 of both :o
mine only has 1600 HP and 1600 Shields.

Modifié par Niran, 24 juin 2012 - 10:37 .

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Xaijin
Posté 24 juin 2012 - 10:38

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Again conditional score, based on suck teamates. I'm talking about equal levels of "competent" optimized play between roughly equally skilled players.

It's perfectly viable to charge him straight into a Geth spawn with two primes and their escort of hunters/pyros and come out unscathed.



Sure, if they aren't targeting you, and with a good gun you can even take a couple of the peepee dudes down. If they are all targeting you, you're not going to make it out unscathed, even as host; Max Defense barrier + Cyc III/SB V or no.

Also getting synced killed mid charge really isn't a GI Problem either. ;)

He's hella strong, but he's not even the best vanguard.

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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 10:39

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Niran wrote...

wait wait wait... Krogan Vanguard has 4k shields? , me wants your Krogan.
normal one has 1800?...in which world am i living that my Kroguard only has 1600 of both :o
mine only has 1600 HP and 1600 Shields.


Equipment makes the most devestating difference in Gold. He is a righteous Juggernaut of QUAD fury!
Had a match yesterday, 4 krogans on Ghost, gold. It was a headbutting speedrun esque match then ended before it began. It's just so damn fun and hilarious when it's Krogans performing the headbutt ritual. And killing things.

#64
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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 10:39

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How about no. Just because the infiltrator you got stuck with couldn't infiltrate his way out of a Wal-Mart doesn't mean the Krogard is OP. It just means your infiltrator couldn't infiltrate his way out of a Wal-Mart. The reason you did so well was because you were on a Biotic Team. Try that same Krogard with three Salarians and let me know how that goes for you.

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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 10:42

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ShadixDX wrote...

He's also the most flexible. Try purging barrier while in cover on a wall as him.


Try regenerating shields on an infiltrator while cloaked...

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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 10:42

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Hypertion wrote...

this is ignoring how easly you can get stunlocked to death on gold. and the fact that to keep those shields up you have to charge the face of your enemy.

i have 2 new names for people like who are trying to find random things and calling them Op.

Cryhards and Nerfhards.

also know a already existing name...

Nerf-herders.

If Krogan Vanguard was truely OP it would be one of the most common characters played as in multiplayer.

Actually my Kroguard don't get stunlocked and he eat geth for breakfast and ****s out scrapmetal. But basically I think people just trolling because they're a little pissed all the TC nerf crying is just gonna ultimately weaken a class. In truth TC wasn't really hurting no one but so many seem to cry how it was unfair(to who?) and hurting their fun in some kind of way because one class kills things faster. Players that are consider elite players seem to be angry or upset that Infiltrators are the easiest to play and seem to get mad or don't like that someone is "invading" there Gold games because they bring an infiltrator into it and they're not good enough to bring another class. From a gamers standpoint its just is/was some utterly stupid reasons. From a developers standpoint, sure make a game harder by weakening the better classes, because in a lot of games when the best of the best 1% of players eat the game up by picking one of the better/best classes they always find ways to nerf that class so they can't do it anymore. Its a cycle I see in Online games, but the calls don't really come from the gamers.

Oh well, back on topic Kroguard don't deal the damage that an Infiltrator can dish out but they are powerful tanks that absorb damage.

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UEG Donkey
Posté 24 juin 2012 - 10:44

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has anyone pointed out that OP is most likely butthurt that the class he plays 90% of the time is going to get nerfed next week. This thread is plain and simple rage.

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Eelectrica
Posté 24 juin 2012 - 10:44

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Nerf everything back to the Bronze age!!

#69
Chealec
Posté 24 juin 2012 - 10:45

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OK - hands up if you think the Kroguard is OP WITHOUT a Reegar...

(just asking - I don't really use him; I tend to get synch-killed by banshees a lot using low mobility classes with short-ranged weapons - I'll stick with the Kroldier with a Graal thanks if I'm going Krogan)

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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 10:51

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Kroguard with with reegar is awesome untill you become banshee food. Decided after that happened enough times that going back to range weapons perhaps might have been a better choice.

I might try again, with a GSMG+ULM as a sidearm for banshess/atlases. Problem is the GSMG does little more than tickle the bad guys. especially bosses.

Modifié par Eelectrica, 24 juin 2012 - 10:52 .

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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 10:51

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Its an awesome class but unless its geth its risky to get insta killed. Even if you charge stun a phantom, sometimes there is one right next to it that kills you. If its reapers, you might as well quit.

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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 11:10

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Xaijin wrote...

Again conditional score, based on suck teamates. I'm talking about equal levels of "competent" optimized play between roughly equally skilled players.

Sorry, but with roughly equally skilled players, even a GI isn't getting over 200k points, not unless everyone else is playing FQE against Reapers. With equal skills he may get something like double the score of everyone else, so unless it's a really high scoring game (~500k points) there's just not enough points in it to get over 200k.
And if you take a look at my screenshot, you'll notice that was actually a pretty low scoring game (for U/U/G) with only 400k points total. Maybe I should have stretched out the objective waves, get to 300k :)

It's perfectly viable to charge him straight into a Geth spawn with two primes and their escort of hunters/pyros and come out unscathed.


Sure, if they aren't targeting you, and with a good gun you can even take a couple of the peepee dudes down. If they are all targeting you, you're not going to make it out unscathed, even as host; Max Defense barrier + Cyc III/SB V or no.

Also getting synced killed mid charge really isn't a GI Problem either. ;)

Well, I didn't say you have to be idiotic when charging into a big group of enemies. Don't charge right in the middle, rather at the enemy on the flank, clean out a couple of the trash mobs (hunters, pyros, etc.), pull back (preferably behind some cover) to reload, charge in again, repeat until all are dead. Once there's only the two primes left you can even take them on out in the open.

As for sync kills, the only ones to really worry about are banshees with their magnet grabs and teleporting over absurd distances or through walls. Anything else will only get you if you're not being careful enough, but that's true even for GI.

#73
The Waffle Cat
Posté 24 juin 2012 - 11:12

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> outscores bad infiltrator with kroguard

> kroguard must be most OP class in the game.


Seems legit ......

#74
sobbos
Posté 24 juin 2012 - 11:17

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The Waffle Cat wrote...

> outscores bad infiltrator with kroguard

> kroguard must be most OP class in the game.


Seems legit ......


lol kool lango broskii ^_^

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The Waffle Cat
Posté 24 juin 2012 - 11:19

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sobbos wrote...

The Waffle Cat wrote...

> outscores bad infiltrator with kroguard

> kroguard must be most OP class in the game.


Seems legit ......


lol kool lango broskii ^_^


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