The actual story behind Mass Effect is pretty good, and the writing is ok in it's self. The star childs logic is sound, it was just the WAY it was presented to the player that was bad. We were not told much, told to accept something as if it were truth and not given any way to deny or rebel against it, we just had to accept it. How that was played out was poor, and I hope the EC will rectify that.
But as a whole, I can see myself replaying Mass Effect 1, 2 and 3 again if the EC fills in the plot holes and gives us the closure we want. Also it would be nice to see more of our war assets in battle. Other than that, I have no problem with the writing.
The logic is sound once you have all the details, it's just the fact I had to come on the internet and read for hours to understand it that annoyed me, because of how poorly it was put across.
Thoughts?
I have to give it to bioware
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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 06:57
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It's not logically sound when the Reapers have been saying it's beyond our comprehension. And the galactic dark age part kills it for everyone. Oh and the part where none of our choices did squat.
So I will give it to BioWare. They have the abiltiy to ruin something so epic in such a short amount of time. It's actually quite appalling.
So I will give it to BioWare. They have the abiltiy to ruin something so epic in such a short amount of time. It's actually quite appalling.
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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 06:58
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Yes, sound logic. They harvest organic beings into reaper form to preserve them and to stop them from creating a synthetic life that will surpass organics and wipe out ALL organic life, down to the microbes. We may not agree with it, but it is logical.
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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 06:59
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Perhaps you will find this one good as well: "Which came first? The chicken? Or the egg?".
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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 06:59
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I'd start to talk about "IT" - but I don't feel like being flammed today.
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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 07:00
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well. the ending will never be fixed unless star child i taken out compleatly, imho
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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 07:01
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xMellowhype wrote...
It's not logically sound when the Reapers have been saying it's beyond our comprehension. And the galactic dark age part kills it for everyone. Oh and the part where none of our choices did squat.
So I will give it to BioWare. They have the abiltiy to ruin something so epic in such a short amount of time. It's actually quite appalling.
When they say we can not comprehend it, I am fairly certain they mean we can not comprehend the magntiude of it. We never experienced the first synthetic uprising, we have no basis on which to look at to understand why the reapers do what they do, that's why we can not comprehend it. I don't think they mean we can not comprehend it as a whole.
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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 07:02
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Appeals to probability and to one's own authority are not sound logic and never will be no matter how "beyond our comprehension" a being gets.
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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 07:02
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The Angry One wrote...
Appeals to probability and to one's own authority are not sound logic and never will be no matter how "beyond our comprehension" a being gets.
QFT.
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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 07:02
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v0rt3x22 wrote...
I'd start to talk about "IT" - but I don't feel like being flammed today.
If the IT is true, I applaud bioware. If it is not, I still think the logic is sound, it just needs to be put across better and more things need to be explained. ie. when did it all start, what race created the reapers etc.
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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 07:05
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that would just be like adding lenght to a turd on the floor. its still s**tbrummyuk19 wrote...
v0rt3x22 wrote...
I'd start to talk about "IT" - but I don't feel like being flammed today.
If the IT is true, I applaud bioware. If it is not, I still think the logic is sound, it just needs to be put across better and more things need to be explained. ie. when did it all start, what race created the reapers etc.
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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 07:06
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Herr Igor wrote...
Perhaps you will find this one good as well: "Which came first? The chicken? Or the egg?".
It's like trying to understand a serial killers mind. We don't know why they do what they do, we just know something in thier past has effected them and it has shaped how they percieve the world and people.
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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 07:07
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The logic of the starkid makes sense, I agree with you. But there are other elements and plotholes in the ending that need clarifying. I don't think Bioware will change anything about the starchild. They'll probably only clarify on the choices and consequences and what-not.
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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 07:07
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XqctaX wrote...
that would just be like adding lenght to a turd on the floor. its still s**tbrummyuk19 wrote...
v0rt3x22 wrote...
I'd start to talk about "IT" - but I don't feel like being flammed today.
If the IT is true, I applaud bioware. If it is not, I still think the logic is sound, it just needs to be put across better and more things need to be explained. ie. when did it all start, what race created the reapers etc.
Well we all have opinions. Maybe I have just accepted the logic as a way of dealing with the pain of the ending we got. Who knows. Either way I will replay the series again.
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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 07:08
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Nimpe wrote...
The logic of the starkid makes sense, I agree with you. But there are other elements and plotholes in the ending that need clarifying. I don't think Bioware will change anything about the starchild. They'll probably only clarify on the choices and consequences and what-not.
Probably, but I am hoping they add to the star child scene so it explains more details.
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Star child? Logic?
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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 07:11
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I just figured out people are like really advance AI machines that require water instead of electricity.
They could achieve biological singularity through genetic manipulation, since they came first this could occur before synthetic technological singularity.
Now, I'm worried about Biological Singularities now they could over-come and destroy all synthetic robot-life, even though they're not in competition for the same resources.
Well... Only one logical thing to do...
Time to build me an army of robots to kill all the robots so the biological sigularity won't kill all the robots, oh no I'm an organic too.
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They could achieve biological singularity through genetic manipulation, since they came first this could occur before synthetic technological singularity.
Now, I'm worried about Biological Singularities now they could over-come and destroy all synthetic robot-life, even though they're not in competition for the same resources.
Well... Only one logical thing to do...
Time to build me an army of robots to kill all the robots so the biological sigularity won't kill all the robots, oh no I'm an organic too.
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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 07:12
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brummyuk19 wrote...
Nimpe wrote...
The logic of the starkid makes sense, I agree with you. But there are other elements and plotholes in the ending that need clarifying. I don't think Bioware will change anything about the starchild. They'll probably only clarify on the choices and consequences and what-not.
Probably, but I am hoping they add to the star child scene so it explains more details.
I want the investigade option on the conversation with the catalyst,just like Vigil on ME1.And maybe,it will have more details on his logic.
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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 07:12
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No!!! The logic of the star-whatever makes no sense. It's a logical fallacy. A commom exercise in paradoxical thinking. Like in "which came first the chicken or the egg?".
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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 07:14
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It seems completely illogical to organics because we don't see the benefit of preserving genetic data when our actual lives and everything that makes us who we are is completely lost. All the Catalyst wants to do is melt us down and turn us into Reapers -- it considers that "preservation."
From our perspective, it's killing us so we won't be killed. Of course it makes no sense.
Furthermore, the Catalyst harvests us to save us from a cycle that it itself helps to create. By leaving the mass relays and the Citadel for us to find, it shapes our development and ensures that current cycles happen the way past cycles have. It contributes to the problem. That is illogical from any perspective, organic or synthetic -- or anything in between.
From our perspective, it's killing us so we won't be killed. Of course it makes no sense.
Furthermore, the Catalyst harvests us to save us from a cycle that it itself helps to create. By leaving the mass relays and the Citadel for us to find, it shapes our development and ensures that current cycles happen the way past cycles have. It contributes to the problem. That is illogical from any perspective, organic or synthetic -- or anything in between.
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brummyuk19 wrote...
Yes, sound logic. They harvest organic beings into reaper form to preserve them and to stop them from creating a synthetic life that will surpass organics and wipe out ALL organic life, down to the microbes. We may not agree with it, but it is logical.
No, they don't wipe out ALL organic life, only the advanced ones. Recall that Catalyst said to Shepard that humans were left unharvested in the previous cycle.
I must admit, concept is good but lacks a good and thorough exposition. I think it would be very dumb to conclude the trilogy as Reapers being some kind of deity. It doesn't fit the lore. Also, you must note that Shepard recieves explanation from the AI regarding Reapers, not from the Reapers alone. So, being them as 'beyond comprehension' is their premise. For all we know, they may not be aware of Catalyst existence at all.
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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 07:26
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Nightwriter wrote...
Furthermore, the Catalyst harvests us to save us from a cycle that it itself helps to create. By leaving the mass relays and the Citadel for us to find, it shapes our development and ensures that current cycles happen the way past cycles have. It contributes to the problem. That is illogical from any perspective, organic or synthetic -- or anything in between.
We do not know what came before the Reapers. How the galaxy looked back then. It is quite possible that the scenarios that have been playing out after the Reapers were created are actually better than what was happening before. Something must have happened that convinced the Reapers' creators that the current extinction cycle is preferrable.
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Starbrat's logic makes no sense. I wanted to give him a spanking. It was baffling. It was dividing by zero. It was: if purple then green. WTF? You heard we didn't want to be wiped out by synthetics so you created a bunch of synthetics to wipe us out every 50,000 years so we wouldn't be wiped out by synthetics? That doesn't make any sense.
Arguing with him was like beating your head against a brick wall. The wall always wins. So you just let him go on through his spiel and destroy his ass. Simple.
Of course, I'm going to reload and go full retard and take the plunge just for lulz, because I want to see what stupid **** they did with it.
And I might reload and go full retard and grab the terminals for lulz because I want to see what stupid **** they did with that, too.
Probably do them in this order: Blue first, then Green, then finally Red.
PS: the last place to do a save is at the door to the building where you fight the brutes before you get to the first set of rockets. I'm guessing I can keep reloading from that point. I'm taking EDI and Kaiden with me.
The Terminator is on her way through.
Arguing with him was like beating your head against a brick wall. The wall always wins. So you just let him go on through his spiel and destroy his ass. Simple.
Of course, I'm going to reload and go full retard and take the plunge just for lulz, because I want to see what stupid **** they did with it.
And I might reload and go full retard and grab the terminals for lulz because I want to see what stupid **** they did with that, too.
Probably do them in this order: Blue first, then Green, then finally Red.
PS: the last place to do a save is at the door to the building where you fight the brutes before you get to the first set of rockets. I'm guessing I can keep reloading from that point. I'm taking EDI and Kaiden with me.
The Terminator is on her way through.
