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[Merwanor]

Shepard was one of the greatest heros ever, more badass than any game hero. But in the end he becomes a pathetic husk who suddently cooperates and agrees with the reaper overlord. So yes, my Shepard turned out to be a complete failure.

[Baa Baa]

Merwanor wrote...

Shepard was one of the greatest heros ever, more badass than any game hero. But in the end he becomes a pathetic husk who suddently cooperates and agrees with the reaper overlord. So yes, my Shepard turned out to be a complete failure.

I respectfully disagree

But he is indeed badass

Modifié par Baa Baa, 24 juin 2012 - 11:49 .

[Razerath]

Merwanor wrote...

Shepard was one of the greatest heros ever, more badass than any game hero. But in the end he becomes a pathetic husk who suddently cooperates and agrees with the reaper overlord. So yes, my Shepard turned out to be a complete failure.

If you say so, I believe he did exactly what he should have and what apprently none of you could do in the same shoes.

Team Shepard and Catalyst for the win. By win I mean, everyone lives and probably in some sort of harmony.

[sAxMoNkI]

The Angry One wrote...

Versimilitude. Look it up.

Cracking word use right there. I know it's probably just me but I love it when I find out that there is in fact one word that describes a whole concept so succintly.

On topic: OP I like to destroy termite mounds, but only ones over 1m high. I do this so that in the future someone won't come along and destroy all the termite mounds because they aren't as benevolent as me and just want to kill the termites because they are far superior to them. I don't know this will happen for certain or even if it is particularly likely but hey better safe than sorry....

^ See the problem with that logic? Trick question - that isn't a logic, end of the day i'm still a human killing termites as a means to protect that termites from being wiped out by humans just as the reapers are synthetics wiping out organics as a means of protecting organics from being wiped out by synthetics....

Modifié par sAxMoNkI, 24 juin 2012 - 11:55 .

[The Angry One]

Razerath wrote...

Merwanor wrote...

Shepard was one of the greatest heros ever, more badass than any game hero. But in the end he becomes a pathetic husk who suddently cooperates and agrees with the reaper overlord. So yes, my Shepard turned out to be a complete failure.

If you say so, I believe he did exactly what he should have and what apprently none of you could do in the same shoes.

Team Shepard and Catalyst for the win. By win I mean, everyone lives and probably in some sort of harmony.

Everybody lives! Except the quintillions who died in agony. For the greater good, of course. <_<

Modifié par The Angry One, 24 juin 2012 - 11:52 .

[Razerath]

sAxMoNkI wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Versimilitude. Look it up.

Cracking word use right there. I know it's probably just me but I love it when I find out that there is in fact one word that describes a whole concept so succintly.

On topic: OP I like to destroy termite mounds, but only ones over 1m high. I do this so that in the future someone won't come along and destroy all the termite mounds because they aren't as benevolent as me and just want to kill the termites because they are far superior to them. I don't know this will happen for certain or even if it is particularly likely but hey better safe than sorry....

^ See the problem with that logic? (Trick question - that isn't a logical thing to do)

It's more like, that not so benevolent something would destroy all termites because they are afraid that the termites will destroy them. In this situation, it would be destroying God ( as in creator/s ) so God doesn't destroy you. But what if everyone could get along?

The logic in this would be that unless you destroy smaller mounds you will never know if peace can be achieved because in the end it would all repeat until the end of time. Might as well take the chance, I say.

[KDD-0063]

Shepard is not weak minded therefore IT could possibly work.
If Shepard is weak then Shepard would not be able to resist. Indoctrination would not take months. Do you get it?

[Razerath]

The Angry One wrote...

Razerath wrote...

Merwanor wrote...

Shepard was one of the greatest heros ever, more badass than any game hero. But in the end he becomes a pathetic husk who suddently cooperates and agrees with the reaper overlord. So yes, my Shepard turned out to be a complete failure.

If you say so, I believe he did exactly what he should have and what apprently none of you could do in the same shoes.

Team Shepard and Catalyst for the win. By win I mean, everyone lives and probably in some sort of harmony.

Everybody lives! Except the quintillions who died in agony. For the greater good, of course. <_<

Everybody lives... for how long? What if the Geth with their new upgrades thought about organics for 50 years and decided that organics would someday think they're a threat and kill the Geth. So, kill organics to preserve ourselves? That is what the Catalyst is trying to say.

[Razerath]

KDD-0063 wrote...

Shepard is not weak minded therefore IT could possibly work.
If Shepard is weak then Shepard would not be able to resist. Indoctrination would not take months. Do you get it?

Shepard is so strong minded that the indoctrination was never there to break. That reason alone is why he meets the Catalyst and the Catalyst basically says that in other words.

[The Angry One]

Razerath wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Razerath wrote...

Merwanor wrote...

Shepard was one of the greatest heros ever, more badass than any game hero. But in the end he becomes a pathetic husk who suddently cooperates and agrees with the reaper overlord. So yes, my Shepard turned out to be a complete failure.

If you say so, I believe he did exactly what he should have and what apprently none of you could do in the same shoes.

Team Shepard and Catalyst for the win. By win I mean, everyone lives and probably in some sort of harmony.

Everybody lives! Except the quintillions who died in agony. For the greater good, of course. <_<

Everybody lives... for how long? What if the Geth with their new upgrades thought about organics for 50 years and decided that organics would someday think they're a threat and kill the Geth. So, kill organics to preserve ourselves? That is what the Catalyst is trying to say.

You're the one saying everybody lives... I guess even you don't buy what you say.
Also, another appeal to probability and we're back to square one.

[KDD-0063]

Razerath wrote...

Merwanor wrote...

Shepard was one of the greatest heros ever, more badass than any game hero. But in the end he becomes a pathetic husk who suddently cooperates and agrees with the reaper overlord. So yes, my Shepard turned out to be a complete failure.

If you say so, I believe he did exactly what he should have and what apprently none of you could do in the same shoes.

Team Shepard and Catalyst for the win. By win I mean, everyone lives and probably in some sort of harmony.

Sure. Just...one little problem here.

So, we really can't defeat the reapers on our own. Really, this whole galaxy, despite the relations we repaired, despite the fact that we are diverse and yet united, despite that we are somewhat prepared beforehand, sucks balls.

We can defeat the reapers because the god child allows it. See the implications?

[Razerath]

The Angry One wrote...

Razerath wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Razerath wrote...

Merwanor wrote...

Shepard was one of the greatest heros ever, more badass than any game hero. But in the end he becomes a pathetic husk who suddently cooperates and agrees with the reaper overlord. So yes, my Shepard turned out to be a complete failure.

If you say so, I believe he did exactly what he should have and what apprently none of you could do in the same shoes.

Team Shepard and Catalyst for the win. By win I mean, everyone lives and probably in some sort of harmony.

Everybody lives! Except the quintillions who died in agony. For the greater good, of course. <_<

Everybody lives... for how long? What if the Geth with their new upgrades thought about organics for 50 years and decided that organics would someday think they're a threat and kill the Geth. So, kill organics to preserve ourselves? That is what the Catalyst is trying to say.

You're the one saying everybody lives... I guess even you don't buy what you say.
Also, another appeal to probability and we're back to square one.

Everyone lives with Synthesis. Organics and also Synthetics and with the way I view the Catalyst and Reapers I would be happy to let them live because I feel like they protected our future childrens lives.

[Razerath]

KDD-0063 wrote...

Razerath wrote...

Merwanor wrote...

Shepard was one of the greatest heros ever, more badass than any game hero. But in the end he becomes a pathetic husk who suddently cooperates and agrees with the reaper overlord. So yes, my Shepard turned out to be a complete failure.

If you say so, I believe he did exactly what he should have and what apprently none of you could do in the same shoes.

Team Shepard and Catalyst for the win. By win I mean, everyone lives and probably in some sort of harmony.

Sure. Just...one little problem here.

So, we really can't defeat the reapers on our own. Really, this whole galaxy, despite the relations we repaired, despite the fact that we are diverse and yet united, despite that we are somewhat prepared beforehand, sucks balls.

We can defeat the reapers because the god child allows it. See the implications?

The Starchild finally gave a proven organic a choice. Proven meaning, "omg he might actually fix this". Choice meaning finally he is letting organics have their own fate again even if that means they will shoot themselves with the loaded gun given to them.

[sAxMoNkI]

Razerath wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Versimilitude. Look it up.

Cracking word use right there. I know it's probably just me but I love it when I find out that there is in fact one word that describes a whole concept so succintly.

On topic: OP I like to destroy termite mounds, but only ones over 1m high. I do this so that in the future someone won't come along and destroy all the termite mounds because they aren't as benevolent as me and just want to kill the termites because they are far superior to them. I don't know this will happen for certain or even if it is particularly likely but hey better safe than sorry....

^ See the problem with that logic? (Trick question - that isn't a logical thing to do)

It's more like, that not so benevolent something would destroy all termites because they are afraid that the termites will destroy them. In this situation, it would be destroying God ( as in creator/s ) so God doesn't destroy you. But what if everyone could get along?

The logic in this would be that unless you destroy smaller mounds you will never know if peace can be achieved because in the end it would all repeat until the end of time. Might as well take the chance, I say.

...I'm sure you think that block o' text you've written makes sense, but I'm 99% sure it doesn't.

[Razerath]

sAxMoNkI wrote...

Razerath wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Versimilitude. Look it up.

Cracking word use right there. I know it's probably just me but I love it when I find out that there is in fact one word that describes a whole concept so succintly.

On topic: OP I like to destroy termite mounds, but only ones over 1m high. I do this so that in the future someone won't come along and destroy all the termite mounds because they aren't as benevolent as me and just want to kill the termites because they are far superior to them. I don't know this will happen for certain or even if it is particularly likely but hey better safe than sorry....

^ See the problem with that logic? (Trick question - that isn't a logical thing to do)

It's more like, that not so benevolent something would destroy all termites because they are afraid that the termites will destroy them. In this situation, it would be destroying God ( as in creator/s ) so God doesn't destroy you. But what if everyone could get along?

The logic in this would be that unless you destroy smaller mounds you will never know if peace can be achieved because in the end it would all repeat until the end of time. Might as well take the chance, I say.

...I'm sure you think that block o' text you've written makes sense, but I'm 99% sure it doesn't.

So instead of proving me wrong you went straight for an insult? GG

[The Angry One]

Razerath wrote...

Everyone lives with Synthesis. Organics and also Synthetics and with the way I view the Catalyst and Reapers I would be happy to let them live because I feel like they protected our future childrens lives.

Why am I not surprised that someone who has repeatedly said they endorse murder, torture and genocide (as seen earlier in this topic, feel free to check) for an appeal to probability supports an ending that promotes a racist philosophy and genetically violates all beings in the galaxy?

Also. You're wrong.

Hybrid creates synthetic.
Synthetic rebels against hybrid.

ZOMG ROBOT APOCALYPSE!!1

Modifié par The Angry One, 25 juin 2012 - 12:08 .

[sAxMoNkI]

Razerath wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

Razerath wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Versimilitude. Look it up.

Cracking word use right there. I know it's probably just me but I love it when I find out that there is in fact one word that describes a whole concept so succintly.

On topic: OP I like to destroy termite mounds, but only ones over 1m high. I do this so that in the future someone won't come along and destroy all the termite mounds because they aren't as benevolent as me and just want to kill the termites because they are far superior to them. I don't know this will happen for certain or even if it is particularly likely but hey better safe than sorry....

^ See the problem with that logic? (Trick question - that isn't a logical thing to do)

It's more like, that not so benevolent something would destroy all termites because they are afraid that the termites will destroy them. In this situation, it would be destroying God ( as in creator/s ) so God doesn't destroy you. But what if everyone could get along?

The logic in this would be that unless you destroy smaller mounds you will never know if peace can be achieved because in the end it would all repeat until the end of time. Might as well take the chance, I say.

...I'm sure you think that block o' text you've written makes sense, but I'm 99% sure it doesn't.

So instead of proving me wrong you went straight for an insult? GG

If you'd like another crack at writing coherently please be my guest and then when the point you are trying to make is clear I will address it. I won't however waste my time trying to decode it from that mess

[KDD-0063]

Razerath wrote...

The Starchild finally gave a proven organic a choice. Proven meaning, "omg he might actually fix this". Choice meaning finally he is letting organics have their own fate again even if that means they will shoot themselves with the loaded gun given to them.

So you are saying that the entire mass effect series is but an exam from the god child and you are happily taking it. The subject is building the crucible. And this exam is awesome.

Wow.

[Razerath]

The Angry One wrote...

Razerath wrote...

Everyone lives with Synthesis. Organics and also Synthetics and with the way I view the Catalyst and Reapers I would be happy to let them live because I feel like they protected our future childrens lives.

Why am I not surprised that someone who endorses murder, torture and genocide for an appeal to probability supports an ending that promotes a racist philosophy and genetically violates all beings in the galaxy?

Also. You're wrong.

Hybrid creates synthetic.
Synthetic rebels against hybrid.

ZOMG ROBOT APOCALPYSE!!1

You're going too far now. I do not endorse all those things. This is a topic about why I feel like Shepard is strong willed enough to withstand indoctrination and make the right choice when it mattered. Because I think that Starchild's motives were correct ( for the FREAKING GAME ) you are telling me I endorse what now?

Reported.

[Razerath]

KDD-0063 wrote...

Razerath wrote...

The Starchild finally gave a proven organic a choice. Proven meaning, "omg he might actually fix this". Choice meaning finally he is letting organics have their own fate again even if that means they will shoot themselves with the loaded gun given to them.

So you are saying that the entire mass effect series is but an exam from the god child and you are happily taking it. The subject is building the crucible. And this exam is awesome.

Wow.

Kind of, yeah. Apparently not one organic in the past has been able to make it so far without being indoctrinated. This could be an "exam" by the Starchild and the organic that passes is allowed the choice to change things.

Wow?

[The Angry One]

Razerath wrote...

You're going too far now. I do not endorse all those things. This is a topic about why I feel like Shepard is strong willed enough to withstand indoctrination and make the right choice when it mattered. Because I think that Starchild's motives were correct ( for the FREAKING GAME ) you are telling me I endorse what now?

Reported.

Don't backpedal now. You have repeatedly and consistently said that it is acceptable to kill trillions "for the greater good". You did not make any distinction with the game either.
Do not try and make yourself appear as the victim because I've called you out on the horrible things you are saying.

Modifié par The Angry One, 25 juin 2012 - 12:09 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

Razerath wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

For the 10th freaking time. The Reapers. Claim. To stop. The problem.
According to them, they are not the problem. So how can they be an example of the problem?

How can you not see how ridiculous your stance of trusting what the Reapers claim while calling them liars is?

They Reap. They kill. They do what no organic would want and they do it because in order to preserve life it has to be done. This is our shield against future potential AI's like the Reapers. In short, we're lucky that this Catalyst is around and not some other menacing AI bent on being dominate in the galaxy.

Of course the Catalyst would want all this to stop, if it could. Until the end of ME3 it couldn't stop and now it can. Trust/Mistrust is not an option when you have virtually nothing to lose anyway. But to be honest, I would trust the story the Catalyst is giving out. Why not? No choice given to Shepard had an option to kill more organics than the Reapers already were.

It's not your shield. It's your grave. Make no mistake, if you prove to be valuable to harvest you first will be squashed to goo and pumped through tubes to the reaper reproduction machine. You will be killed in the most gruesome way before that pulp is being used. I don't think you will be very grateful when that happens to you, your loved ones, and everyone else of your race, unless you have their very same cyclical serial killer instinct they have with no empathy, no remorse and no respect for life. These lives are being taken not to make them the savior of organic life, but to reproduce themselves and to stay on top of the food chain. Every other race they cannot use is just exterminated or kept alive until they prove to be valueable in the next cycle. The only way out is to get rid of them, because any other option condones their behavior and does not make sure they cannot do it again. The weak point in the destruction option is that the geth are once more the victim of idiocracy and forces Shepard to commit genocide.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 25 juin 2012 - 12:14 .

[Razerath]

The Angry One wrote...

Razerath wrote...

You're going too far now. I do not endorse all those things. This is a topic about why I feel like Shepard is strong willed enough to withstand indoctrination and make the right choice when it mattered. Because I think that Starchild's motives were correct ( for the FREAKING GAME ) you are telling me I endorse what now?

Reported.

Don't backpedal now. You have repeatedly and consistently said that it is acceptable to kill trillions "for the greater good". You did not make any disctinction with the game either.
Do not try and make yourself appear as the victim because I've called you out on the horrible things you are saying.

I have said that I agree with the Reapers solution. That does include killing organics but in this fictional game it is to preserve life not only in Reaper form but for the future.

Seriously, how dare you try and say that out of this game I somehow endorse those terrible things? You're way too worked up about this, SERIOUSLY.

[sAxMoNkI]

Razerath wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Razerath wrote...

You're going too far now. I do not endorse all those things. This is a topic about why I feel like Shepard is strong willed enough to withstand indoctrination and make the right choice when it mattered. Because I think that Starchild's motives were correct ( for the FREAKING GAME ) you are telling me I endorse what now?

Reported.

Don't backpedal now. You have repeatedly and consistently said that it is acceptable to kill trillions "for the greater good". You did not make any disctinction with the game either.
Do not try and make yourself appear as the victim because I've called you out on the horrible things you are saying.

I have said that I agree with the Reapers solution. That does include killing organics but in this fictional game it is to preserve life not only in Reaper form but for the future.

Seriously, how dare you try and say that out of this game I somehow endorse those terrible things? You're way too worked up about this, SERIOUSLY.

If you agree with the reaper's solution then you DO endorse these things albeit just within the confines of the game scenario.

[KDD-0063]

Razerath wrote...

KDD-0063 wrote...

Razerath wrote...

The Starchild finally gave a proven organic a choice. Proven meaning, "omg he might actually fix this". Choice meaning finally he is letting organics have their own fate again even if that means they will shoot themselves with the loaded gun given to them.

So you are saying that the entire mass effect series is but an exam from the god child and you are happily taking it. The subject is building the crucible. And this exam is awesome.

Wow.

Kind of, yeah. Apparently not one organic in the past has been able to make it so far without being indoctrinated. This could be an "exam" by the Starchild and the organic that passes is allowed the choice to change things.

Wow?

By this time if you still haven't figured out why people hate this ending, you need to take a fresh breath outside.
The entire mass effect series is about a WAR. The last 10 minutes changed it into an EXAM, which, by the way, doesn't make sense in the mass effect universe.