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[Taboo]

Being Alive =/= Free.

Understand this.

[sAxMoNkI]

^ Damn straight

[The Angry One]

Razerath wrote...

I have said that I agree with the Reapers solution. That does include killing organics but in this fictional game it is to preserve life not only in Reaper form but for the future.

Seriously, how dare you try and say that out of this game I somehow endorse those terrible things? You're way too worked up about this, SERIOUSLY.

I say it because you said it. Because you're blithely causual about these things.
I posted a message from the game that details how horrific what the Reapers do is on a personal level and you respond with "it's for the greater good."

No. If it's not acceptable in real life, then it's not acceptable in the game. Not when I'm playing what is suppose to be the heroine of the story. Not when I'm supposed to be fighting for what's right.

There are games out there where you play the evil overlord who drops firebombs on civilians for fun, and there's nothing wrong with that because it doesn't promote this act as good.. you're playing a murderous jerk and that's that. Mass Effect 3 is about playing the hero and the saviour, whether renegade or paragon. So no, it's not acceptable to me, and if you support what the Reapers do then I truly question what your mindset is, because what they do is horrifying.

Modifié par The Angry One, 25 juin 2012 - 12:15 .

[Razerath]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Razerath wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

For the 10th freaking time. The Reapers. Claim. To stop. The problem.
According to them, they are not the problem. So how can they be an example of the problem?

How can you not see how ridiculous your stance of trusting what the Reapers claim while calling them liars is?

They Reap. They kill. They do what no organic would want and they do it because in order to preserve life it has to be done. This is our shield against future potential AI's like the Reapers. In short, we're lucky that this Catalyst is around and not some other menacing AI bent on being dominate in the galaxy.

Of course the Catalyst would want all this to stop, if it could. Until the end of ME3 it couldn't stop and now it can. Trust/Mistrust is not an option when you have virtually nothing to lose anyway. But to be honest, I would trust the story the Catalyst is giving out. Why not? No choice given to Shepard had an option to kill more organics than the Reapers already were.

It's not your shield. It's your grave. Make no mistake, if you prove to be valuable to harvest you first will be squashed to goo and pumped through tubes to the reaper reproduction machine. You will be killed in the most gruesome way before that pulp is being used. I don't think you will be very grateful when that happens to you, your loved ones, and everyone else of your race, unless you have their very same cyclical serial killer instict they have with no empathy, no remorse and no respect for life. These lives are being taken not to make them the savior of organic life, but to reproduce themselves and to stay on top of the food chain. Every other race they cannot use is just exterminated or kept alive until they prove to be valueable in the next cycle. The only way out is to get rid of them, because any other option condones their behavior and does not make sure they cannot do it again. The weak point in the destruction option is that the geth are once more the victim of idiocracy which forces Shepard to commit genocide.

To those who have fallen in this game, it is not pointless. To all those trillions of souls, it is not pointless. What would be pointless is to let it happen forever. From the first Reaper cycle on organics have been trying to stop the Reapers and none of them could because none of them had learned the value of cohesion. In the lore it was said that countless cycles have tried to work on a solution to the Reapers, slowly that idea became more cohesive. Eventually it worked and Shepard is now left with a choice to make that if any cycle before could have managed they would have done as well.

[Jadebaby]

There is a big difference between weak-mindedness and immunity... Want to explain how Shepard is immune to indoctrination OP?

Oh that's right, you can't. In fact, you would have a harder time explaining that than the IT itself.

/thread!

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 25 juin 2012 - 12:20 .

[jpraelster93]

Razerath wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Razerath wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

For the 10th freaking time. The Reapers. Claim. To stop. The problem.
According to them, they are not the problem. So how can they be an example of the problem?

How can you not see how ridiculous your stance of trusting what the Reapers claim while calling them liars is?

They Reap. They kill. They do what no organic would want and they do it because in order to preserve life it has to be done. This is our shield against future potential AI's like the Reapers. In short, we're lucky that this Catalyst is around and not some other menacing AI bent on being dominate in the galaxy.

Of course the Catalyst would want all this to stop, if it could. Until the end of ME3 it couldn't stop and now it can. Trust/Mistrust is not an option when you have virtually nothing to lose anyway. But to be honest, I would trust the story the Catalyst is giving out. Why not? No choice given to Shepard had an option to kill more organics than the Reapers already were.

It's not your shield. It's your grave. Make no mistake, if you prove to be valuable to harvest you first will be squashed to goo and pumped through tubes to the reaper reproduction machine. You will be killed in the most gruesome way before that pulp is being used. I don't think you will be very grateful when that happens to you, your loved ones, and everyone else of your race, unless you have their very same cyclical serial killer instict they have with no empathy, no remorse and no respect for life. These lives are being taken not to make them the savior of organic life, but to reproduce themselves and to stay on top of the food chain. Every other race they cannot use is just exterminated or kept alive until they prove to be valueable in the next cycle. The only way out is to get rid of them, because any other option condones their behavior and does not make sure they cannot do it again. The weak point in the destruction option is that the geth are once more the victim of idiocracy which forces Shepard to commit genocide.

To those who have fallen in this game, it is not pointless. To all those trillions of souls, it is not pointless. What would be pointless is to let it happen forever. From the first Reaper cycle on organics have been trying to stop the Reapers and none of them could because none of them had learned the value of cohesion. In the lore it was said that countless cycles have tried to work on a solution to the Reapers, slowly that idea became more cohesive. Eventually it worked and Shepard is now left with a choice to make that if any cycle before could have managed they would have done as well.

yes if any cycle could destroy the reapers they would thats what my shepard did and guess what he is still alive because of his choice

[ArtGerhardt]

Razerath wrote...

The Revolut wrote...

Razerath wrote...

The entire premise of IT is that it's actually not the truth. As in, IT isn't true. If there was in any way some sense of him "breaking" the indoctrination it wouldn't be so deeply imbedded in skepticism.

Ummm, k thanks with your invaluable opinion.

No seriously, you can't prove that he is "breaking" indoctrination anymore than you can prove he had food poisoning.

Not sure if you're trolling or just haven't actually read anything in the IT thread.

[Razerath]

KDD-0063 wrote...

Razerath wrote...

KDD-0063 wrote...

Razerath wrote...

The Starchild finally gave a proven organic a choice. Proven meaning, "omg he might actually fix this". Choice meaning finally he is letting organics have their own fate again even if that means they will shoot themselves with the loaded gun given to them.

So you are saying that the entire mass effect series is but an exam from the god child and you are happily taking it. The subject is building the crucible. And this exam is awesome.

Wow.

Kind of, yeah. Apparently not one organic in the past has been able to make it so far without being indoctrinated. This could be an "exam" by the Starchild and the organic that passes is allowed the choice to change things.

Wow?

By this time if you still haven't figured out why people hate this ending, you need to take a fresh breath outside.
The entire mass effect series is about a WAR. The last 10 minutes changed it into an EXAM, which, by the way, doesn't make sense in the mass effect universe.

In this game war is a symptom of a cause. This game isn't about war as much as you think it is and anyone who just see's it as such a simple idea doesn't get what BioWare was trying to write in my opinion.

[Fail_Inc]

Baa Baa wrote...

Merwanor wrote...

Shepard was one of the greatest heros ever, more badass than any game hero. But in the end he becomes a pathetic husk who suddently cooperates and agrees with the reaper overlord. So yes, my Shepard turned out to be a complete failure.

I respectfully disagree

But he is indeed badass

That's not a Duke Nukem picture you silly!

[jpraelster93]

Razerath wrote...

KDD-0063 wrote...

Razerath wrote...

KDD-0063 wrote...

Razerath wrote...

The Starchild finally gave a proven organic a choice. Proven meaning, "omg he might actually fix this". Choice meaning finally he is letting organics have their own fate again even if that means they will shoot themselves with the loaded gun given to them.

So you are saying that the entire mass effect series is but an exam from the god child and you are happily taking it. The subject is building the crucible. And this exam is awesome.

Wow.

Kind of, yeah. Apparently not one organic in the past has been able to make it so far without being indoctrinated. This could be an "exam" by the Starchild and the organic that passes is allowed the choice to change things.

Wow?

By this time if you still haven't figured out why people hate this ending, you need to take a fresh breath outside.
The entire mass effect series is about a WAR. The last 10 minutes changed it into an EXAM, which, by the way, doesn't make sense in the mass effect universe.

In this game war is a symptom of a cause. This game isn't about war as much as you think it is and anyone who just see's it as such a simple idea doesn't get what BioWare was trying to write in my opinion.

Bioware didnt even know what they are doing because if they did the backlash wouldnt be as bad as it was they messed up because ea rushed them UNDERSTAND

[Razerath]

The Angry One wrote...

Razerath wrote...

I have said that I agree with the Reapers solution. That does include killing organics but in this fictional game it is to preserve life not only in Reaper form but for the future.

Seriously, how dare you try and say that out of this game I somehow endorse those terrible things? You're way too worked up about this, SERIOUSLY.

I say it because you said it. Because you're blithely causual about these things.
I posted a message from the game that details how horrific what the Reapers do is on a personal level and you respond with "it's for the greater good."

No. If it's not acceptable in real life, then it's not acceptable in the game. Not when I'm playing what is suppose to be the heroine of the story. Not when I'm supposed to be fighting for what's right.

There are games out there where you play the evil overlord who drops firebombs on civilians for fun, and there's nothing wrong with that because it doesn't promote this act as good.. you're playing a murderous jerk and that's that. Mass Effect 3 is about playing the hero and the saviour, whether renegade or paragon. So no, it's not acceptable to me, and if you support what the Reapers do then I truly question what your mindset is, because what they do is horrifying.

You're completely wrong and here is why.

Your opinion vs my opinion.

Do we both win or lose?

/rhetorical

You don't want to admit that the Reapers could be correct and not lying because you have some sick notion in your head in which you cannot seperate real life from fantasy or more important, philosophy. I can't stand arguing with you anymore.

Everyone else, have at thee!

[Razerath]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

There is a big difference between weak-mindedness and immunity... Want to explain how Shepard is immune OP?

Oh that's right, you can't. In fact, you would have a harder time explaining that than the IT.

/thread!

Who said he was immune at all? It could have just been luck. It could be superior genetics, Biotics, Implants etc...

All I am saying is that he didn't end up indoctrinated, not even to break the indoctrination.

[Jadebaby]

read up, this thread is stupid. As stupid as the people who say Indoctrination is the 'only' truth.

[The Angry One]

Razerath wrote...

You're completely wrong and here is why.

Your opinion vs my opinion.

Do we both win or lose?

/rhetorical

You don't want to admit that the Reapers could be correct and not lying because you have some sick notion in your head in which you cannot seperate real life from fantasy or more important, philosophy. I can't stand arguing with you anymore.

Everyone else, have at thee!

No. My point is, you cannot know the Reapers are correct. Because they never have been. They are purely appealing to probability.
That alone is no justification for murdering, torturing and mutilating quintillions of innocent people.

You refuse to accept that the Reapers have no basis for their claims.
Butchering quintillions for what might happen is wrong. It is wrong in real life. It is wrong in fantasy. It is wrong philosophically. There is no circumstance ever in which this would ever be justified. Period.

[Razerath]

jpraelster93 wrote...

Razerath wrote...

KDD-0063 wrote...

Razerath wrote...

KDD-0063 wrote...

Razerath wrote...

The Starchild finally gave a proven organic a choice. Proven meaning, "omg he might actually fix this". Choice meaning finally he is letting organics have their own fate again even if that means they will shoot themselves with the loaded gun given to them.

So you are saying that the entire mass effect series is but an exam from the god child and you are happily taking it. The subject is building the crucible. And this exam is awesome.

Wow.

Kind of, yeah. Apparently not one organic in the past has been able to make it so far without being indoctrinated. This could be an "exam" by the Starchild and the organic that passes is allowed the choice to change things.

Wow?

By this time if you still haven't figured out why people hate this ending, you need to take a fresh breath outside.
The entire mass effect series is about a WAR. The last 10 minutes changed it into an EXAM, which, by the way, doesn't make sense in the mass effect universe.

In this game war is a symptom of a cause. This game isn't about war as much as you think it is and anyone who just see's it as such a simple idea doesn't get what BioWare was trying to write in my opinion.

Bioware didnt even know what they are doing because if they did the backlash wouldnt be as bad as it was they messed up because ea rushed them UNDERSTAND

Yeah because that's a logical statement. I think BioWare fully knew what they were doing and the reason it may not make sense to you is because you aren't so good at putting it all together without a crutch like IT or the soon to be EC.

[jpraelster93]

Razerath wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

There is a big difference between weak-mindedness and immunity... Want to explain how Shepard is immune OP?

Oh that's right, you can't. In fact, you would have a harder time explaining that than the IT.

/thread!

Who said he was immune at all? It could have just been luck. It could be superior genetics, Biotics, Implants etc...

All I am saying is that he didn't end up indoctrinated, not even to break the indoctrination.

You clearly dont understand the IT SHEPARD IS NEVER INDOCTRINATED IN THIS THEORY THE REAPERS ARE ATTEMPTING TO INDOCTRINATE HIM

[Razerath]

The Angry One wrote...

Razerath wrote...

You're completely wrong and here is why.

Your opinion vs my opinion.

Do we both win or lose?

/rhetorical

You don't want to admit that the Reapers could be correct and not lying because you have some sick notion in your head in which you cannot seperate real life from fantasy or more important, philosophy. I can't stand arguing with you anymore.

Everyone else, have at thee!

No. My point is, you cannot know the Reapers are correct. Because they never have been. They are purely appealing to probability.
That alone is no justification for murdering, torturing and mutilating quintillions of innocent people.

You refuse to accept that the Reapers have no basis for their claims.
Butchering quintillions for what might happen is wrong. It is wrong in real life. It is wrong in fantasy. It is wrong philosophically. There is no circumstance ever in which this would ever be justified. Period.

The Reapers could harvest all life forever. That means the threat is real. The technology exists in the universe to wipe organics out. How is that not the proof you claim isn't there? The fact that they haven't is just more proof that the Catalyst is not lying.

[Razerath]

jpraelster93 wrote...

Razerath wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

There is a big difference between weak-mindedness and immunity... Want to explain how Shepard is immune OP?

Oh that's right, you can't. In fact, you would have a harder time explaining that than the IT.

/thread!

Who said he was immune at all? It could have just been luck. It could be superior genetics, Biotics, Implants etc...

All I am saying is that he didn't end up indoctrinated, not even to break the indoctrination.

You clearly dont understand the IT SHEPARD IS NEVER INDOCTRINATED IN THIS THEORY THE REAPERS ARE ATTEMPTING TO INDOCTRINATE HIM

Lol because earlier in the thread someone said IT was about him breaking indoctrination.

All you IT people don't have a clue of what you're talking about. Not even close. You're all divided and grasping at straws that don't exist. Instead, get on board with the REAL ending and see it for what it is and if you can get past some mental moral blocks you would see that in the world of Mass Effect the Reapers are actually helping. Not trying to help but are helping.

Some of you say that the Reapers are all doing it based off "could happen" scenarios is likely founded deep into personal experience. Like I said if it wasn't another rogue AI the Reapers originally fought against to save the organics that existed then, it's likely that the Reapers were the aggressors and after they Reaped the organics that could oppose them they had a change of mind later about why, not how, they are Reaping organics.

EDIT: Or the Reapers could be trying to preserve themselves as well as organics. If they weren't I doubt any organics would be around and if the organics of the Reapers first war defeated them then the Catalyst wouldn't have knowledge of what could happen.

Modifié par Razerath, 25 juin 2012 - 12:30 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

Razerath wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Razerath wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

For the 10th freaking time. The Reapers. Claim. To stop. The problem.
According to them, they are not the problem. So how can they be an example of the problem?

How can you not see how ridiculous your stance of trusting what the Reapers claim while calling them liars is?

They Reap. They kill. They do what no organic would want and they do it because in order to preserve life it has to be done. This is our shield against future potential AI's like the Reapers. In short, we're lucky that this Catalyst is around and not some other menacing AI bent on being dominate in the galaxy.

Of course the Catalyst would want all this to stop, if it could. Until the end of ME3 it couldn't stop and now it can. Trust/Mistrust is not an option when you have virtually nothing to lose anyway. But to be honest, I would trust the story the Catalyst is giving out. Why not? No choice given to Shepard had an option to kill more organics than the Reapers already were.

It's not your shield. It's your grave. Make no mistake, if you prove to be valuable to harvest you first will be squashed to goo and pumped through tubes to the reaper reproduction machine. You will be killed in the most gruesome way before that pulp is being used. I don't think you will be very grateful when that happens to you, your loved ones, and everyone else of your race, unless you have their very same cyclical serial killer instict they have with no empathy, no remorse and no respect for life. These lives are being taken not to make them the savior of organic life, but to reproduce themselves and to stay on top of the food chain. Every other race they cannot use is just exterminated or kept alive until they prove to be valueable in the next cycle. The only way out is to get rid of them, because any other option condones their behavior and does not make sure they cannot do it again. The weak point in the destruction option is that the geth are once more the victim of idiocracy which forces Shepard to commit genocide.

To those who have fallen in this game, it is not pointless. To all those trillions of souls, it is not pointless. What would be pointless is to let it happen forever. From the first Reaper cycle on organics have been trying to stop the Reapers and none of them could because none of them had learned the value of cohesion. In the lore it was said that countless cycles have tried to work on a solution to the Reapers, slowly that idea became more cohesive. Eventually it worked and Shepard is now left with a choice to make that if any cycle before could have managed they would have done as well.

Of course it is pointless. And here is why:

It appears to me that the brat and the reapers cannot be as smart as they think they are when they exterminate organics to prevent the creation of synthetics who may or may not exterminate organics. Not only is this circular logic, it is also counterproductive to destroy what you claim to preserve.

While it is true that life will reboot somewhere else, it does exterminate the current races with the precision that only a state of the art race of serial killers can achieve. Much like serial killers the reapers have no empathy, no remorse and no respect for existing life. It also violates the right of self-determination, because they are self-proclaimed saviors of the galaxy which force "their help" onto the civilizations. There is nothing to save when the organics can do fine without them.

Another problem is that there are no indications that synthetics become hostile as predicted by the reapers, unless they are turned hostile by those very same reapers. That happened with both the geth and the zha'til. In other cases the geth defend themselves against genocide committed by the quarians, which sounds reasonable to me. The brat then points out that the synthetics are the problem, even though we can only see that the reapers have caused more harm than the synthetics ever inflicted.

So when the synthetics threat is nothing but a rationalization, all that remains are the motives the reapers have for their cyclical genocides: To reproduce themselves and to stay on top of the food chain. That's one we can see in-game and that's the one we have fought against ever since we met Saren and the heretics and the mystery of the reapers unfolded.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 25 juin 2012 - 12:37 .

[Jadebaby]

Razerath wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

There is a big difference between weak-mindedness and immunity... Want to explain how Shepard is immune OP?

Oh that's right, you can't. In fact, you would have a harder time explaining that than the IT.

/thread!

Who said he was immune at all? It could have just been luck. It could be superior genetics, Biotics, Implants etc...

All I am saying is that he didn't end up indoctrinated, not even to break the indoctrination.

In the eyes of an indoctrinist.
The premise is that s/he was never indoctrinated at all, the 3 choices at the end was the test of her/his resolve. At no point through this is Shepard indoctrinated. If your Shepard isn't weak-minded, pick destroy. End of discussion.

Generally,
lol @ luck, now who can't differentiate between reality and fantasy? It's crappy writing to justify something with simple "luck"... Plus, if Shepard was that lucky s/he wouldn't have died at the start of ME2.
Biotics?... What if you don't play adept? Superior genetics and implants fall under a sense of immunity.

Basically, unless the writers themselves explain this (which they didn't), every interpretation and speculative thought of the ending is just as valid as the next, and you appear as a very silly person saying that "IT is false".. Unless Bioware denies it themselves, of course (which they haven't).

[KDD-0063]

Razerath wrote...

KDD-0063 wrote...

Razerath wrote...

KDD-0063 wrote...

Razerath wrote...

The Starchild finally gave a proven organic a choice. Proven meaning, "omg he might actually fix this". Choice meaning finally he is letting organics have their own fate again even if that means they will shoot themselves with the loaded gun given to them.

So you are saying that the entire mass effect series is but an exam from the god child and you are happily taking it. The subject is building the crucible. And this exam is awesome.

Wow.

Kind of, yeah. Apparently not one organic in the past has been able to make it so far without being indoctrinated. This could be an "exam" by the Starchild and the organic that passes is allowed the choice to change things.

Wow?

By this time if you still haven't figured out why people hate this ending, you need to take a fresh breath outside.
The entire mass effect series is about a WAR. The last 10 minutes changed it into an EXAM, which, by the way, doesn't make sense in the mass effect universe.

In this game war is a symptom of a cause. This game isn't about war as much as you think it is and anyone who just see's it as such a simple idea doesn't get what BioWare was trying to write in my opinion.

If they were truly trying to write an exam, it is lame. Why people have bad reaction to bad themes? Well it's because bad themes are bad.

Hey, look, it is Mass Effect 3, a game about a star brat giving all races of the universe a test to build a mysterious device called the Crucible, which is capable of space magic and about your character taking this test. The fate of the galaxy is at stake and if you fail the test they will destroy you! Would anyone seriously play such a game if Mass Effect 3 is described as such?

The war has always been the theme, building the relationships between species, characters, resolving the conflicts has always been the theme up until the ending, in which none of the species, characters and decisions matter.

Modifié par KDD-0063, 25 juin 2012 - 12:33 .

[Ryven]

Razerath wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

Razerath wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

There is a big difference between weak-mindedness and immunity... Want to explain how Shepard is immune OP?

Oh that's right, you can't. In fact, you would have a harder time explaining that than the IT.

/thread!

Who said he was immune at all? It could have just been luck. It could be superior genetics, Biotics, Implants etc...

All I am saying is that he didn't end up indoctrinated, not even to break the indoctrination.

You clearly dont understand the IT SHEPARD IS NEVER INDOCTRINATED IN THIS THEORY THE REAPERS ARE ATTEMPTING TO INDOCTRINATE HIM

Lol because earlier in the thread someone said IT was about him breaking indoctrination.

All you IT people don't have a clue of what you're talking about. Not even close. You're all divided and grasping at straws that don't exist. Instead, get on board with the REAL ending and see it for what it is and if you can get past some mental moral blocks you would see that in the world of Mass Effect the Reapers are actually helping. Not trying to help but are helping.

Some of you say that the Reapers are all doing it based off "could happen" scenarios is likely founded deep into personal experience. Like I said if it wasn't another rogue AI the Reapers originally fought against to save the organics that existed then, it's likely that the Reapers were the aggressors and after they Reaped the organics that could oppose them they had a change of mind later about why, not how, they are Reaping organics.

EDIT: Or the Reapers could be trying to preserve themselves as well as organics. If they weren't I doubt any organics would be around and if the organics of the Reapers first war defeated them then the Catalyst wouldn't have knowledge of what could happen.

I guess Hitler wasn't that bad a guy either. I mean sure he started off mercilessly killing Jews, but who knows what would have happened or how his perspective (on why, not how) could have changed if he only had just a little more time . . .

<_<

Modifié par Xydorn, 25 juin 2012 - 12:35 .

[Sajuro]

I read parts of the thread, but the insidious thing about indoctrination is that you don't have to be weak minded to fall to it, being weak minded helps but even if you are strong slowly the indoctrination starts changing your thought process, if you listened to Benezia in the first Mass Effect she says as much.

[Razerath]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Razerath wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Razerath wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

For the 10th freaking time. The Reapers. Claim. To stop. The problem.
According to them, they are not the problem. So how can they be an example of the problem?

How can you not see how ridiculous your stance of trusting what the Reapers claim while calling them liars is?

They Reap. They kill. They do what no organic would want and they do it because in order to preserve life it has to be done. This is our shield against future potential AI's like the Reapers. In short, we're lucky that this Catalyst is around and not some other menacing AI bent on being dominate in the galaxy.

Of course the Catalyst would want all this to stop, if it could. Until the end of ME3 it couldn't stop and now it can. Trust/Mistrust is not an option when you have virtually nothing to lose anyway. But to be honest, I would trust the story the Catalyst is giving out. Why not? No choice given to Shepard had an option to kill more organics than the Reapers already were.

It's not your shield. It's your grave. Make no mistake, if you prove to be valuable to harvest you first will be squashed to goo and pumped through tubes to the reaper reproduction machine. You will be killed in the most gruesome way before that pulp is being used. I don't think you will be very grateful when that happens to you, your loved ones, and everyone else of your race, unless you have their very same cyclical serial killer instict they have with no empathy, no remorse and no respect for life. These lives are being taken not to make them the savior of organic life, but to reproduce themselves and to stay on top of the food chain. Every other race they cannot use is just exterminated or kept alive until they prove to be valueable in the next cycle. The only way out is to get rid of them, because any other option condones their behavior and does not make sure they cannot do it again. The weak point in the destruction option is that the geth are once more the victim of idiocracy which forces Shepard to commit genocide.

To those who have fallen in this game, it is not pointless. To all those trillions of souls, it is not pointless. What would be pointless is to let it happen forever. From the first Reaper cycle on organics have been trying to stop the Reapers and none of them could because none of them had learned the value of cohesion. In the lore it was said that countless cycles have tried to work on a solution to the Reapers, slowly that idea became more cohesive. Eventually it worked and Shepard is now left with a choice to make that if any cycle before could have managed they would have done as well.

Of course it is pointless. And here is why:

It appears to me that the brat and the reapers cannot be as smart as they think they are when they exterminate organics to prevent the creation of synthetics who may or may not exterminate organics. Not only is this circular logic, it is also counterproductive to destroy what you claim to preserve.

While it is true that life will reboot somewhere else, it does exterminate the current races with the precision that only a state of the art race of serial killers can achieve. Much like serial killers the reapers have no empathy, no remorse and no respect for existing life. It also violates the right of self-determination, because they are self-proclaimed saviors of the galaxy which force "their help" onto the civilizations. There is nothing to save when the organics can do fine without them.

Another problem is that there are no indications that synthetics become hostile as predicted by the reapers, unless they are turned hostile by those very same reapers. That happened with both the geth and the zha'til. In other cases the geth defend themselves against genocide committed by the quarians, which sounds reasonable to me. The brat then points out that the synthetics are the problem, even though we can only see that the reapers have caused more harm than the synthetics ever inflicted.

So when the synthetics are nothing but a rationalization, all that remains is the motive the reapers have for their cyclical genocides: To reproduce themselves and to stay on top of the food chain. That's one we can see in-game and that's the one we have fought against ever since we met Saren and the heretics and the mystery of the reapers unfolded.

We know that the Geth will fight to kill when they feel their race is threatened. There is your current proof. Half the problem I have with what you've written is assuming that the Reapers care about an individual life. They probably don't even see it that way. They likely view it as "Organic Life" and "Synthetic Life". And it's not circular logic if you know that one day, as the Starchild, an organic will make it's way to you with the wisdom of the Catalyst itself and make the right choice. The Catalyst can only theorize that Synthesis will be the perfect choice because with an organic to approve it would be an untested theory.

The Reapers also don't kill all life. They leave quite a bit around the galaxy. A lot of civilizations, plants, animals etc... We just don't see much comparison in the game since the games focus on the few advanced races almost alone.

[The Angry One]

Razerath wrote...

The Reapers could harvest all life forever. That means the threat is real. The technology exists in the universe to wipe organics out. How is that not the proof you claim isn't there? The fact that they haven't is just more proof that the Catalyst is not lying.

Wiping out organics on every world in every galaxy would be an impossible, futile and inefficient undertaking.

The technology exists to irradiate this planet several times over today. Does that mean we must be killed before we use it? Again, mere existence means nothing.