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[General User]

Mr.House wrote...
The OP should watch Babylon 5.

That sounds like good advice.

Modifié par General User, 24 juin 2012 - 09:45 .

[DoktorAffentanz]

Razerath wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Razerath wrote...

The outcome would be the same and someone like Shepard, even near death would know that time is important and arguing would be fruitless. I reject your idea that he gave up and submitted to anythings choices but his own.

Shepard: "Must stop Reapers"

Starchild: "Here is how in three different ways"

Shepard: "Stops Reapers"

Fin.

Arguing in hindsight is an invalid stance to take.

When standing there Shepard is unusually cooperative and mute at the very moment you'd expect her not to be. 

As in; standing in front of the Reaper overlord (the one responsible for so much destruction and death) and being told things that make absolutely no sense at all. 

The idea behind the Catalyst is that the Reaper Overlord wants the battle to stop too. Without one of the ways he figures it can happen, the cycles will continue. For once Shepard is given a way ( a few ) to stop the death of more children to preserve the future and you think he might argue?

As it turns out the Catalyst is our friend. The "murder" of organic species is actually a way to save them completely. That's the logic of the Catalyst and he is not wrong given the facts. I'm surprised that Shepard didn't turn around and say, "Thanks for saving our butts for countless cycles so that someone like me could eventually secure a future for organic life".

What? Yeah, thanking the genocidal mass murderer for the countless murdering because HE says it's okay....

Sure, makes perfectly sense.

[Razerath]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Razerath wrote...

RealDestroyerXD wrote...

Razerath wrote...

What would arguing with the Catalyst do? Can you think of what the difference would have been other than a little more explaination of why each choice would be a choice?

The outcome would be the same and someone like Shepard, even near death would know that time is important and arguing would be fruitless. I reject your idea that he gave up and submitted to anythings choices but his own.

Shepard: "Must stop Reapers"

Starchild: "Here is how in three different ways"

Shepard: "Stops Reapers"

Fin.

How about: Hey Admiral Hackett, I have the Creator and Leader of the Reapers here! Blow the catalyst to hell.

Shepard clearly has a working comlink right?

Yeah, use a cannon to do what a pistol could ensuring that Shepard would die instead of giving him a chance to live. That's exactly what Hackett would do to him...

Eh............ what? 

That's not quite what he was saying. 

Instead of going along with what the Catalyst says like a simpleton you could find another solution.

Shepard doesn't know what happens if she shoots the tube, she isn't ever even told to shoot it. You're once again arguing in hindsight. 

As it stands the Catalyst is the greatest ally organic life has ever had. It is the guardian of our lives and completely altruistic in my opinion. The best solution would be to take the one that works in front of you and not waste more time trying to figure out another way.

It sounds like people who say "Shepard just goes along with what Starchild says" are loners.

"The bomb is about to blow!"

"Don't worry I will go defuse that bomb!"

"Here is the sequence to disarm it!"

"No, this banana should work better because it's not an idea coming from you!"

[Bigdoser]

Shepard should of done what isaac did at the end of dead space 2. Dead space 2 spoilers. 

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Bigdoser, 24 juin 2012 - 09:47 .

[The Angry One]

General User wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
The OP should watch Babylon 5.

That sounds like good advice.

I love how most of the comments are about ME3.

[jpraelster93]

This guy clearly is indoctrinated the catalyst is our FRIEND WTF MAN

[Mr.House]

General User wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
The OP should watch Babylon 5.

That sounds like good advice.

Yup, that's how ME3 should have ended. The Shepard I knew would do this.

[Grimwick]

Razerath wrote...

It's been a theme throughout the series that Shepard is the only one with enough of "what it takes" to save the galaxy. If he joined Saren, TIM and the droves of other weak minded examples of NPCs and was indoctrinated I would seriously give that the credit of being the worst ending in history. It would so anti-climactic and horrible.

This is why the IT is false.

So instead... Shepard does exactly what the reapers want without question?

Ergo shepard is weak minded.

I don't personally believe in IT but you're reasoning is flawed.

[The Angry One]

jpraelster93 wrote...

This guy clearly is indoctrinated the catalyst is our FRIEND WTF MAN

Random datapad in London:

"Sammy where are you? Can't find you, message me back please!!!
People go into that place and come out not the same not human anymore
Can hear the voices crawling inside the back of my skull whispering they won't
Stop why won't it stop until I go where the others went get turned into one of those things
Oh god please makeit stop make itstop makeitsto!!!!!!!!"

The Catalyst is our friend. What a crock.

[The Night Mammoth]

Razerath wrote...

The idea behind the Catalyst is that the Reaper Overlord wants the battle to stop too. Without one of the ways he figures it can happen, the cycles will continue. For once Shepard is given a way ( a few ) to stop the death of more children to preserve the future and you think he might argue?

Given the circumstances: yes. 

The source of this information and the situation, and for that matter the information itself, are all suspect. 

The Reapers are the source. No more explanation needed. The situation is compromising and causes things to make even less sense (those two structures being part of the Citadel). The information is suspect, because it makes no sense either. 

As it turns out the Catalyst is our friend. The "murder" of organic species is actually a way to save them completely. That's the logic of the Catalyst and he is not wrong given the facts.

He's absolutely wrong given the facts.

I'm surprised that Shepard didn't turn around and say, "Thanks for saving our butts for countless cycles so that someone like me could eventually secure a future for organic life".

Yeah, thanks for killing quintillions of sapient beings, my friends, trying to kill me and my bondmate and my family countless times, committing unspeakable attrocities and corrupting the innocent to do your bidding, over a hypothesis that is logically flawed. 

Excuse me whilst I laugh at the notion. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 24 juin 2012 - 09:51 .

[Dartack]

Hmm, Shepard is not weak minded, he fell victim to poor planing bad writing and some one obsessed with the Duse Exe ending.

[Razerath]

DoktorAffentanz wrote...

Razerath wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Razerath wrote...

The outcome would be the same and someone like Shepard, even near death would know that time is important and arguing would be fruitless. I reject your idea that he gave up and submitted to anythings choices but his own.

Shepard: "Must stop Reapers"

Starchild: "Here is how in three different ways"

Shepard: "Stops Reapers"

Fin.

Arguing in hindsight is an invalid stance to take.

When standing there Shepard is unusually cooperative and mute at the very moment you'd expect her not to be. 

As in; standing in front of the Reaper overlord (the one responsible for so much destruction and death) and being told things that make absolutely no sense at all. 

The idea behind the Catalyst is that the Reaper Overlord wants the battle to stop too. Without one of the ways he figures it can happen, the cycles will continue. For once Shepard is given a way ( a few ) to stop the death of more children to preserve the future and you think he might argue?

As it turns out the Catalyst is our friend. The "murder" of organic species is actually a way to save them completely. That's the logic of the Catalyst and he is not wrong given the facts. I'm surprised that Shepard didn't turn around and say, "Thanks for saving our butts for countless cycles so that someone like me could eventually secure a future for organic life".

What? Yeah, thanking the genocidal mass murderer for the countless murdering because HE says it's okay....

Sure, makes perfectly sense.

No it's the cause and effect that make sense. Early first organic life creates the first synthetic AI. That AI goes rogue and develops more power. Organics fight and die until one ( maybe the same AI ) AI decides ( like EDI ) that organics have merit and value and a right to live and fights for them. Knowing that history is 99.9% likely to repeat itself that AI decides to keep organics from being able to create an AI ( like the Reapers, not Geth ) to preserve future generations.

The only way to stop organics from making the mistake again is Synthesis. What would a Reaper Overlord have to gain from that and what would organics have to lose?

[Baa Baa]

Mr.House wrote...

The OP should watch Babylon 5.

[Razerath]

The Angry One wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

This guy clearly is indoctrinated the catalyst is our FRIEND WTF MAN

Random datapad in London:

"Sammy where are you? Can't find you, message me back please!!!
People go into that place and come out not the same not human anymore
Can hear the voices crawling inside the back of my skull whispering they won't
Stop why won't it stop until I go where the others went get turned into one of those things
Oh god please makeit stop make itstop makeitsto!!!!!!!!"

The Catalyst is our friend. What a crock.

Means to an end, we aren't talking about an AI who feels like organics do but rather feels organics have a right to feel. Get it?

[Baa Baa]

Bigdoser wrote...

Shepard should of done what isaac did at the end of dead space 2. Dead space 2 spoilers. 

www.youtube.com/watch

**** YES:O

[Razerath]

Grimwick wrote...

Razerath wrote...

It's been a theme throughout the series that Shepard is the only one with enough of "what it takes" to save the galaxy. If he joined Saren, TIM and the droves of other weak minded examples of NPCs and was indoctrinated I would seriously give that the credit of being the worst ending in history. It would so anti-climactic and horrible.

This is why the IT is false.

So instead... Shepard does exactly what the reapers want without question?

Ergo shepard is weak minded.

I don't personally believe in IT but you're reasoning is flawed.

He didn't do exactly what the Reapers want, not in the way you're all suggesting. He is however doing what the Reapers want because the Starchild wants to help organics survive for as long as they can.

[jpraelster93]

Razerath wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

Razerath wrote...

It's been a theme throughout the series that Shepard is the only one with enough of "what it takes" to save the galaxy. If he joined Saren, TIM and the droves of other weak minded examples of NPCs and was indoctrinated I would seriously give that the credit of being the worst ending in history. It would so anti-climactic and horrible.

This is why the IT is false.

So instead... Shepard does exactly what the reapers want without question?

Ergo shepard is weak minded.

I don't personally believe in IT but you're reasoning is flawed.

He didn't do exactly what the Reapers want, not in the way you're all suggesting. He is however doing what the Reapers want because the Starchild wants to help organics survive for as long as they can.

starchild wants to save the reapers thats why he wants you to pick control or sythesis he is a frend of sythetics NOT ORGANTICS

[The Angry One]

Razerath wrote...

Means to an end, we aren't talking about an AI who feels like organics do but rather feels organics have a right to feel. Get it?

I am forcing myself to calm down and not express what I truly feel right now.

I will simply state.. nothing justifies that. Nothing. If you think it does, then I suggest nobody bother debating with you as it's a lost cause.

Modifié par The Angry One, 24 juin 2012 - 09:55 .

[Razerath]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Razerath wrote...

The idea behind the Catalyst is that the Reaper Overlord wants the battle to stop too. Without one of the ways he figures it can happen, the cycles will continue. For once Shepard is given a way ( a few ) to stop the death of more children to preserve the future and you think he might argue?

Given the circumstances: yes. 

The source of this information and the situation, and for that matter the information itself, are all suspect. 

The Reapers are the source. No more explanation needed. The situation is compromising and causes things to make even less sense (those two structures being part of the Citadel). The information is suspect, because it makes no sense either. 

As it turns out the Catalyst is our friend. The "murder" of organic species is actually a way to save them completely. That's the logic of the Catalyst and he is not wrong given the facts.

He's absolutely wrong given the facts.

I'm surprised that Shepard didn't turn around and say, "Thanks for saving our butts for countless cycles so that someone like me could eventually secure a future for organic life".

Yeah, thanks for killing quintillions of sapient beings, my friends, trying to kill me and my bondmate and my family countless times, committing unspeakable attrocities and corrupting the innocent to do your bidding, over a hypothesis that is logically flawed. 

Excuse me whilst I laugh at the notion. 

If I knew that in my lifetime an inorganic species would arise and obliterate everything I loved and cared for forever I would gladly give my life so that others in the future could experience life.

[Bigdoser]

Baa Baa wrote...

Bigdoser wrote...

Shepard should of done what isaac did at the end of dead space 2. Dead space 2 spoilers. 

www.youtube.com/watch

**** YES:O

I know hence why isaac is now in my book of awesome main characters. Villain tells isaac the plot twist 

Isaac:**** YOU AND **** YOUR MARKER *proceedes to blast villain with gun*

[The Night Mammoth]

Razerath wrote...

If I knew that in my lifetime an inorganic species would arise and obliterate everything I loved and cared for forever I would gladly give my life so that others in the future could experience life.

If you did.

But you don't. 

And neither does Shepard.

Or the Catalyst, given the appropriate context. 

Anything else? 

[jpraelster93]

its funny how he ignores all my posts

[The Angry One]

Razerath wrote...

If I knew that in my lifetime an inorganic species would arise and obliterate everything I loved and cared for forever I would gladly give my life so that others in the future could experience life.

How do you know?
HOW. WOULD. YOU. KNOW.

Because spacebaby tells you? Like I said, this is pointless.

[Grimwick]

Razerath wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

Razerath wrote...

It's been a theme throughout the series that Shepard is the only one with enough of "what it takes" to save the galaxy. If he joined Saren, TIM and the droves of other weak minded examples of NPCs and was indoctrinated I would seriously give that the credit of being the worst ending in history. It would so anti-climactic and horrible.

This is why the IT is false.

So instead... Shepard does exactly what the reapers want without question?

Ergo shepard is weak minded.

I don't personally believe in IT but you're reasoning is flawed.

He didn't do exactly what the Reapers want, not in the way you're all suggesting. He is however doing what the Reapers want because the Starchild wants to help organics survive for as long as they can.

The SC is the controller/guardian of the Reapers.

The SC gives you three options to choose from. You have to choose one of them.

Therefore we are doing exactly what the Reapers wanted.

[Razerath]

The Angry One wrote...

Razerath wrote...

Means to an end, we aren't talking about an AI who feels like organics do but rather feels organics have a right to feel. Get it?

I am forcing myself to calm down and not express what I truly feel right now.

I will simply state.. nothing justifies that. Nothing. If you think it does, then I suggest nobody bother debating with you as it's a lost cause.

You're selfish then. Those are my true feelings. You're basically saying that I am going to live my life even if that means no one else gets the chance in the future.

Even if trillions have to die, it's so trillions more can live.