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[jpraelster93]

Razerath wrote...

J.Random wrote...

Razerath wrote...
The only way to stop organics from making the mistake again is Synthesis. What would a Reaper Overlord have to gain from that and what would organics have to lose?

The EVOLUTION. You don't understand, do you? Synthesis is stagnation, just like "preserving" in a reaper form. No more diversity, no more development. End of the line for everyone.

There wouldn't be a need for further development with Synthesis, obviously. With that said, at a certain point in the future all the energyl in all the universe will transfer into more inert energy and all the stars will die out. Along with organic life. If something like the big crunch doesn't happen, Synthesis would be the only way to survive the end of chaos.

no because in sythesis the REAPERS SURVIVE they will still wipe out the humans and non ai regardless of fused dna

[The Angry One]

The Revolut wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

This. This is what Mass Effect has become.
Mass Effect has become something where people can sit there and try to justify torture, murder, mutilation and genocide for an appeal to probability.

And people say not to take this seriously. This was a world I LOVED, turned into a promotion for *war crimes*.
I'm about to cry.

It's a troll thread, dear.

You can't take this thread seriously.

In all probability, yes. But either way there are some who keep this "ends justifies the means" attitude, and the fact remains it's not the trolls making me sad, it's that ME3 makes it possible.

[Bigdoser]

Razerath wrote...

J.Random wrote...

Razerath wrote...
The only way to stop organics from making the mistake again is Synthesis. What would a Reaper Overlord have to gain from that and what would organics have to lose?

The EVOLUTION. You don't understand, do you? Synthesis is stagnation, just like "preserving" in a reaper form. No more diversity, no more development. End of the line for everyone.

There wouldn't be a need for further development with Synthesis, obviously. With that said, at a certain point in the future all the energyl in all the universe will transfer into more inert energy and all the stars will die out. Along with organic life. If something like the big crunch doesn't happen, Synthesis would be the only way to survive the end of chaos.

*head explodes* 

Are we playing the same game here? I am not sure anymore.

[Baa Baa]

Bigdoser wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Bigdoser wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Bigdoser wrote...

Shepard should of done what isaac did at the end of dead space 2. Dead space 2 spoilers. 

www.youtube.com/watch

**** YES:O

I know hence why isaac is now in my book of awesome main characters. Villain tells isaac the plot twist 

Isaac:**** YOU AND **** YOUR MARKER *proceedes to blast villain with gun*

Amen to that. I mean he's already pretty badass in his own universe where, as a lowly engineer, took out a ship and station full of bad zombies single-handedly, he then proceeds to deliver a massive middle finger to the plot device and destroys it.

Now compare this to Shepard in ME3. Shepard has the entire galaxy (more or less) fighting along side him, yet when presented by the easiest (and most disgusting) ways out, he folds and takes the Catalyst up the rear and drinks the Kool-Aid.

Issac Clarke >>> ME3 Shepard

Yup hence why I will never get rid  of my dead space games. 

Times I played ME: 4
Times I played ME2: 5
Times I played ME3: 1
Times I played Dead Space: 7
Times I played Dead Space 2: 5
I'm on the same boat with you

[Razerath]

The Angry One wrote...

This. This is what Mass Effect has become.
Mass Effect has become something where people can sit there and try to justify torture, murder, mutilation and genocide for an appeal to probability.

And people say not to take this seriously. This was a world I LOVED, turned into a promotion for *war crimes*.
I'm about to cry.

Wow, really? It's more of a war crime to let countless future lives end because you are unwilling to sacrifice what needs to be sacrificed and when.

This whole topic has opened my eyes to the reasons people don't understand the ending. Awesome job BioWare, it's truly a moral conundrum if you're a closed minded person.

[Ticonderoga117]

Razerath wrote...
There wouldn't be a need for further development with Synthesis, obviously. With that said, at a certain point in the future all the energyl in all the universe will transfer into more inert energy and all the stars will die out. Along with organic life. If something like the big crunch doesn't happen, Synthesis would be the only way to survive the end of chaos.

Synthesis won't save against the Heat Death of the universe.

Also the "chaos" is undefined. For most of ME2 and ME3, we organics are the chaos. Then, GlowBoy states synthetics are the "chaos". Everything is chaos and the stupid GlowBoy doesn't know what he's talking about.

[jpraelster93]

More people please request a close this is a troll topic

[The Revolut]

The Angry One wrote...

In all probability, yes. But either way there are some who keep this "ends justifies the means" attitude, and the fact remains it's not the trolls making me sad, it's that ME3 makes it possible.

This is true.

What we've witnessed it truly a literary abomination, of such we're not likely to see replicated. Hopefully, this sh*tstorm will have taught the rest of the developer community something.

[The Angry One]

Razerath wrote....

Wow, really? It's more of a war crime to let countless future lives end because you are unwilling to sacrifice what needs to be sacrificed and when.

You have no proof anyone will live because of these actions. None. Nothing.
Also, NOTHING JUSTIFIES DELIBERATE MASS MURDER. NOTHING. NOTHING. NOTHING.

This whole topic has opened my eyes to the reasons people don't understand the ending. Awesome job BioWare, it's truly a moral conundrum if you're a closed minded person.

Troll confirmed. Shouldn't have wasted my time.

[Ticonderoga117]

Razerath wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

This. This is what Mass Effect has become.
Mass Effect has become something where people can sit there and try to justify torture, murder, mutilation and genocide for an appeal to probability.

And people say not to take this seriously. This was a world I LOVED, turned into a promotion for *war crimes*.
I'm about to cry.

Wow, really? It's more of a war crime to let countless future lives end because you are unwilling to sacrifice what needs to be sacrificed and when.

This whole topic has opened my eyes to the reasons people don't understand the ending. Awesome job BioWare, it's truly a moral conundrum if you're a closed minded person.

Not when "Go F*** yourself and F*** your crucible! Fly into a star since YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!" would save more lives and exposes the GlowBoy for what he is, a confused liar who has killed billions upon billions over a "maybe".

[Bigdoser]

The Revolut wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

In all probability, yes. But either way there are some who keep this "ends justifies the means" attitude, and the fact remains it's not the trolls making me sad, it's that ME3 makes it possible.

This is true.

What we've witnessed it truly a literary abomination, of such we're not likely to see replicated. Hopefully, this sh*tstorm will have taught the rest of the developer community something.

In the future I can see development teams using me3 ending as a case study of what not to do. Developers are already making jabs at me3's ending. 

[Razerath]

The Angry One wrote...

Razerath wrote...

I hardly can take you seriously as it is, why try and derail this into something that cannot be compared?

Catalyst: A being that exists as proof that we will create something that can destroy us and is saying he is only doing it so that some point in the future an organic can come along and help stop.

Hitler: Kill people because I am drunk with power.

That's not even close to relatable.

The Catalyst's existence is not proof of anything. Again, making assumptions.
Hitler genuinely thought his agenda was the right way to do thinks too. He was a madman, but it's what he thought. You have no proof that the Catalyst is right. None.

The Catalyst exists and therefore is proof of what the progenitor species ( organics ) are capable of creating. The destruction the Reapers can do is a testament to this. If it can happen once ( the reapers existing ) it will likely happen again. Fix one problem or fix them all. Either way, Shepard only ever had those three choices with or without the Catalyst. He probably wouldn't have even known about Control or Synth if it wasn't for the Catalyst. The Catalyst telling Shepard about Synth is the single greatest thing anything has ever done for ALL life.

[Grimwick]

Razerath wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

Razerath wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Razerath wrote...

Means to an end, we aren't talking about an AI who feels like organics do but rather feels organics have a right to feel. Get it?

I am forcing myself to calm down and not express what I truly feel right now.

I will simply state.. nothing justifies that. Nothing. If you think it does, then I suggest nobody bother debating with you as it's a lost cause.

You're selfish then. Those are my true feelings. You're basically saying that I am going to live my life even if that means no one else gets the chance in the future.

Even if trillions have to die, it's so trillions more can live.

Oh for pete's sake.

1 trillion = 1 trillion.

Therefore if the original trillion survive it is exactly the same as the second trillion not being there but without the killing.

Your argument makes no sense.

I mean, if exactly 456 trillion people died its because 9835739487534987534987539487534 trillion can live in the future? Good god, I didn't think I would have to explain that. Way to read too deeply into words, like you probably did with the ending.

IT crusader, right?

That argument is based on the premise that 9835739487534987534987539487534 trillion people exist. That is obviously not the case.

In fact, arguing ethics on what-if scenarios is fruitless. I could equally argue that by killing those 465 trillion organics you are killing their offspring and their offspring's offspring...

In fact, because that original 465 trillion started as  465 trillion whereas that other number of people started much smaller the total number of offspring of the first 465 trillion outnumbers them over a certain time period.

So you're killing more potential lives by killing that original 465 trillion.

And no I don't support IT. I simply support logic.

Modifié par Grimwick, 24 juin 2012 - 10:17 .

[Peranor]

General User wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
The OP should watch Babylon 5.

That sounds like good advice.

If Bioware could just add a conversation option similar to that with the starbrat all would be forgiven. Well, almost.

[jpraelster93]

So its a troll topic if enough request a close it will be closed

[The Angry One]

Razerath wrote...

The Catalyst exists and therefore is proof of what the progenitor species ( organics ) are capable of creating. The destruction the Reapers can do is a testament to this. If it can happen once ( the reapers existing ) it will likely happen again. Fix one problem or fix them all. Either way, Shepard only ever had those three choices with or without the Catalyst. He probably wouldn't have even known about Control or Synth if it wasn't for the Catalyst. The Catalyst telling Shepard about Synth is the single greatest thing anything has ever done for ALL life.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA.
The Reapers are proof of their agenda because they do it?

It's called a self-fulfilling prophecy. That's a fallacy. Dear god.

[CrazyRah]

Don't try to convince the IT believers.. they won't listen, people have tried for months and no progress has been made. Save yourself the trouble

[Razerath]

Bigdoser wrote...

Razerath wrote...

J.Random wrote...

Razerath wrote...
The only way to stop organics from making the mistake again is Synthesis. What would a Reaper Overlord have to gain from that and what would organics have to lose?

The EVOLUTION. You don't understand, do you? Synthesis is stagnation, just like "preserving" in a reaper form. No more diversity, no more development. End of the line for everyone.

There wouldn't be a need for further development with Synthesis, obviously. With that said, at a certain point in the future all the energyl in all the universe will transfer into more inert energy and all the stars will die out. Along with organic life. If something like the big crunch doesn't happen, Synthesis would be the only way to survive the end of chaos.

*head explodes* 

Are we playing the same game here? I am not sure anymore.

Yeah, in life and in this game the universe has a limited span of time in which it can chaotically and unintentionally create organic life. It's a large amount of time but when it's all over it will be almost as if no time had past at all.

[The Revolut]

Bigdoser wrote...

In the future I can see development teams using me3 ending as a case study of what not to do. Developers are already making jabs at me3's ending. 

Exactly.

I point to Repo Men as to how to tell a good story, even with a bitter ending.

[Razerath]

The Angry One wrote...

Razerath wrote....

Wow, really? It's more of a war crime to let countless future lives end because you are unwilling to sacrifice what needs to be sacrificed and when.

You have no proof anyone will live because of these actions. None. Nothing.
Also, NOTHING JUSTIFIES DELIBERATE MASS MURDER. NOTHING. NOTHING. NOTHING.

This whole topic has opened my eyes to the reasons people don't understand the ending. Awesome job BioWare, it's truly a moral conundrum if you're a closed minded person.

Troll confirmed. Shouldn't have wasted my time.

It's NOT murder.

It's salvation through destruction. If all the people in the world lived for 400 years we would run out of resources on this planet and people would be killed at a tender age of 200 so that more people could ever live. Or should we all just selfishly live our 400 years, screw the planet and screw our children?

Sacrifices must be made for the greater good.

[The Revolut]

Razerath wrote...

It's NOT murder.

It's salvation through destruction. If all the people in the world lived for 400 years we would run out of resources on this planet and people would be killed at a tender age of 200 so that more people could ever live. Or should we all just selfishly live our 400 years, screw the planet and screw our children?

Sacrifices must be made for the greater good.

Eugenics are bad.

[jpraelster93]

Razerath wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Razerath wrote....

Wow, really? It's more of a war crime to let countless future lives end because you are unwilling to sacrifice what needs to be sacrificed and when.

You have no proof anyone will live because of these actions. None. Nothing.
Also, NOTHING JUSTIFIES DELIBERATE MASS MURDER. NOTHING. NOTHING. NOTHING.

This whole topic has opened my eyes to the reasons people don't understand the ending. Awesome job BioWare, it's truly a moral conundrum if you're a closed minded person.

Troll confirmed. Shouldn't have wasted my time.

It's NOT murder.

It's salvation through destruction. If all the people in the world lived for 400 years we would run out of resources on this planet and people would be killed at a tender age of 200 so that more people could ever live. Or should we all just selfishly live our 400 years, screw the planet and screw our children?

Sacrifices must be made for the greater good.

So now your quoting the reapers THE REAPERS THE EVIL CHARACTERS WOW DUDE REALLY

[Grimwick]

The Revolut wrote...

Bigdoser wrote...

In the future I can see development teams using me3 ending as a case study of what not to do. Developers are already making jabs at me3's ending. 

Exactly.

I point to Repo Men as to how to tell a good story, even with a bitter ending.

Halo: Reach had a good bittersweet ending in that respect. In fact, we all knew how it would end but it managed to make it uplifting and graceful.

[DoktorAffentanz]

Razerath wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Razerath wrote....

Wow, really? It's more of a war crime to let countless future lives end because you are unwilling to sacrifice what needs to be sacrificed and when.

You have no proof anyone will live because of these actions. None. Nothing.
Also, NOTHING JUSTIFIES DELIBERATE MASS MURDER. NOTHING. NOTHING. NOTHING.

This whole topic has opened my eyes to the reasons people don't understand the ending. Awesome job BioWare, it's truly a moral conundrum if you're a closed minded person.

Troll confirmed. Shouldn't have wasted my time.

It's NOT murder.

It's salvation through destruction. If all the people in the world lived for 400 years we would run out of resources on this planet and people would be killed at a tender age of 200 so that more people could ever live. Or should we all just selfishly live our 400 years, screw the planet and screw our children?

Sacrifices must be made for the greater good.

That makes no sense....