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[FellowerOfOdin]

Oghren. Not funny, 2handed-fighter, cannot contribute anything. Worthless.

[Lord_Anthonior]

Alistair. To me he is the most useless, once I enter Lothering I remove him from the party and have no use of him during the entire game obviously leaving Anora for the throne and still killing Loghain.



With the "Nugcrusher" from return to Ostagar I can have use of Sten and then Oghren if the warden is a Rogue, if the warden is a Warrior then I rotate them sten, oghren and zevran, but always keeping in my party Morrigan (Romance and Mage talents) and Leliana (archer and lockpicker if warrior origin).

[Relshar]

I can't stand Zeveran. He is useless as a rogue as he cant pick locks and his stealth skills are rubbish. I only ever used him once as a party member through the game and he died 90% of the time in battle. Even with Wynne and health packs.



Next play through just going to kill him and be done with it.

[tonnactus]

chefbobby203 wrote...

With 100 physical resist(easily attainable using 2 weapons since you have 6 rune slots), your dual wielder will resist a ton of stuns and knockdowns(I think my last dw warrior got knocked down a whopping 1 time tanking the high dragon). DW does the most damage in theory, and in practice(and works better running on tactics than the other 2 builds)

I disagree. With talents like sunder armor and destroyer the dual hander kills at least bosses far faster then Dw.No matter how high a rogues cunning score is,a dual handers armor penetration through talents is unmatchable. Not to forget the bad hitrate of cunning rogues against enemies like revenants.

[Addai]

Relshar wrote...

I can't stand Zeveran. He is useless as a rogue as he cant pick locks and his stealth skills are rubbish. I only ever used him once as a party member through the game and he died 90% of the time in battle. Even with Wynne and health packs.

Next play through just going to kill him and be done with it.

You're just admitting that you don't know how to build a melee rogue.  Zevran is the deadliest NPC you can pick up.  His skill set is not optimized for lockpicking, though he can easily be re-spec'ed to a cunning rogue if that's what you're using him for.  But he functions best as a fighter.  High dex, Coup de Grace, a paralysis rune, fill out his assassin line, set him to run Momentum all the time, and stand back to watch the magic.    Given a choice, I'd rather have a high DPS rogue than an extra warrior in the party.

[Addai]

tonnactus wrote...

chefbobby203 wrote...

With 100 physical resist(easily attainable using 2 weapons since you have 6 rune slots), your dual wielder will resist a ton of stuns and knockdowns(I think my last dw warrior got knocked down a whopping 1 time tanking the high dragon). DW does the most damage in theory, and in practice(and works better running on tactics than the other 2 builds)

I disagree. With talents like sunder armor and destroyer the dual hander kills at least bosses far faster then Dw.No matter how high a rogues cunning score is,a dual handers armor penetration through talents is unmatchable. Not to forget the bad hitrate of cunning rogues against enemies like revenants.

Bad hit rate?  Rogues have high hit rate period.  Plus revenants can be paralyzed.  See how fast a revenant fight goes with a paralysis rune or two in the party.  Warriors can use those too, of course, but with Coup de Grace a rogue does more damage on paralyzed targets.  I've fought revenants where I don't think the poor dears got a single hit in.

[Addai]

Collider wrote...

Shale outclasses Alistair as a tank IMO.

I like Shale, but this is ridiculous.  She is susceptible to knockdown, for one thing, and has really low dexterity which I find makes warriors more squishy than having points in constitution.  Then again I also don't really go for the concept of a tank, I make everyone high damage so stuff gets dead.

I have to stop reading this thread.  It's just silly that people claim NPCs are useless when either they don't know how to build and use them correctly or else they just prefer their party to be run a certain way.  Each party member has their own strengths and weaknesses.

[Elhanan]

Note - Not EVERY NPC makes for a good diplomat, though. This is when a walkthrough is invaluable; to know who to take along and avoid facepalm moments. Zev inside Denerim is a plus; in Orzammar, not so much.

What I find amusing is that Loghain can be rather tough to face at the Landsmeet. However, as a companion, he needs Respec or may be addicted to injury kits before meeting Archie.

[Elhanan]

Heh! I guess I do not give some NPC's very many extra items. I did give Loghain the ring set Dawn & Dusk just to rub guilt in any wound in his conscience.

[DWSmiley]

Elhanan wrote...

Note - Not EVERY NPC makes for a good diplomat, though. This is when a walkthrough is invaluable; to know who to take along and avoid facepalm moments. Zev inside Denerim is a plus; in Orzammar, not so much.
What I find amusing is that Loghain can be rather tough to face at the Landsmeet. However, as a companion, he needs Respec or may be addicted to injury kits before meeting Archie.

Indeed.  Have you ever taken Oghren to Haven?  The conversation between him and Kolgrim is priceless.

[Elhanan]

DWSmiley wrote...

Indeed.  Have you ever taken Oghren to Haven?  The conversation between him and Kolgrim is priceless.

Nope, but have the perfect chance to do that currently. Thanks!

[Akinra]

At the minute I'm using Zevran for the first time, and am finding him very useful. At the start he died quite a bit, but now towards the end his dex is so high he barely gets hit. And he does very good dps with the right set up.



I would have to go for Shale as the least useful. She's not a very good tank, and has a pretty poor damage output.

[Elhanan]

Akinra wrote...

At the minute I'm using Zevran for the first time, and am finding him very useful. At the start he died quite a bit, but now towards the end his dex is so high he barely gets hit. And he does very good dps with the right set up.

I would have to go for Shale as the least useful. She's not a very good tank, and has a pretty poor damage output.

heh! I would suggest you use your prior info on the latter subject, and attempt to find the right set up. Shale may not offer high DPS numbers (unsure as I do not follow such stats) , but she has great utility. I know when she is adorned with the correct crystals, she is able to go almost anywhere except to see Howe; guess she has just higher standards than us lessers.

[termokanden]

Shale is just fine as a tank and doesn't get grabbed by dragons either. She has good party buffs as well.



Does she get Overwhelmed? I don't remember seeing it happen.

[Ryzaki]

Frankly I discovered it depeneded on what class I play-



Mage: Morrigan and Wynne were pretty much worthless. I really didn't need more glass cannons.

Rogue: Leliana and Zevran. (As the song goes anything you can do I can do better) Sure Leliana's exclusive bow is nothing to sniff at but I DW anyways.

Warrior: Sten and Oghren. If I'm playing a warrior its either DWW or 2H and you really don't need 2 2 handers in the group.

[mousestalker]

Shale is like Wynne and Oghren in that the later you get her, the more useless she becomes (absent a respec). I head for Felix directly after Lothering so I can grab Shale and the goodies early.

[Addai]

termokanden wrote...

Shale is just fine as a tank and doesn't get grabbed by dragons either. She has good party buffs as well.

She gets knocked down by dragons, in my experience.  I still use her because I like her sass, and because her ranged buff + hurl attack is great for my archers.

[Ryzaki]

Addai67 wrote...

termokanden wrote...

Shale is just fine as a tank and doesn't get grabbed by dragons either. She has good party buffs as well.

She gets knocked down by dragons, in my experience.  I still use her because I like her sass, and because her ranged buff + hurl attack is great for my archers.

Uh...yeah but she doesnt get grabbed was the main point. 

[Addai]

Elhanan wrote...

Note - Not EVERY NPC makes for a good diplomat, though. This is when a walkthrough is invaluable; to know who to take along and avoid facepalm moments. Zev inside Denerim is a plus; in Orzammar, not so much.
What I find amusing is that Loghain can be rather tough to face at the Landsmeet. However, as a companion, he needs Respec or may be addicted to injury kits before meeting Archie.

What?!  Zevran gives you very good advice in Orzammar.  I have had characters who choose Bhelen mainly on his comments there.

All companions have attacks in special scenes that they suddenly forget when you recruit them.  I recall Wynne throwing a crushing prison on me.  Blood mage chick saw that pathetic excuse for an attack and raised Granny a templar dwarf plus Blood Wound.  Game over!

Modifié par Addai67, 11 novembre 2010 - 05:44 .

[termokanden]

Ryzaki wrote...
Uh...yeah but she doesnt get grabbed was the main point. 

Yep. Very convenient to avoid that, though you can always cancel it with Force Field.

[LPain]

termokanden wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Uh...yeah but she doesnt get grabbed was the main point. 

Yep. Very convenient to avoid that, though you can always cancel it with Force Field.

Oh does that work as well? I always use Cone of Cold. I must try that on my next playthough - I just killed that big goddamn lizzard with this current character!