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[Elhanan]

Addai67 wrote...

What?!  Zevran gives you very good advice in Orzammar.  I have had characters who choose Bhelen mainly on his comments there.....

Did not get that far. When he smarted off at Ruck's mother, he went back to camp. If I had been playing a Dwarven Warden, I might have sent him away for good.

[Ryzaki]

Elhanan wrote...


Did not get that far. When he smarted off at Ruck's mother, he went back to camp. If I had been playing a Dwarven Warden, I might have sent him away for good.

Hm? What did he say? 

[DWSmiley]

Just the facts - Zev points out that the Deep Roads are vast and a party could search for months and never find Ruck.

[Ryzaki]

DWSmiley wrote...

Just the facts - Zev points out that the Deep Roads are vast and a party could search for months and never find Ruck.

Oh that's not bad. HE could've been a little more tactful but /shrug.

...I have to drag Zevran around on one of my evil bastard playthroughs. But I can never get oe that'll spare him.

[maxernst]

Addai67 wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

All companions have attacks in special scenes that they suddenly forget when you recruit them.  I recall Wynne throwing a crushing prison on me.  Blood mage chick saw that pathetic excuse for an attack and raised Granny a templar dwarf plus Blood Wound.  Game over!

The most extreme example is the awesome powers that Jowan displays in escaping the circle tower.

[MattLJMorr]

I hate Alistair he just annoys me he has good conversations with morrigan but he totally sucks when it comes to my style of fighting!

[HolyAvenger]

Playing with Zev is just annoying due to micromanagement required in combat.

[Cutlass Jack]

Zevran was the most useless to me. You get him too late to rely on him for lockpicking. So you're forced to use Leli or do it yourself. But since I was a dual wield rogue myself, that made him even less needed. Melee rogues really require a hands on approach anyways, so its best suited for your warden. Especially since you can't tactic Pickpocket anymore since the last patch.

Sten & Oghren were tied for 2nd place. Two handers are good dps, but not so good tanking. Since I was doing melee dps myself, a tank was more useful. Alistair and Shale were better for that.

However Oghren is really great to take along on the deep roads. Both for story and because he's really great vs. golems.

But this is just on an ability level. They're all fun to have around for pure conversation reasons.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 28 janvier 2011 - 05:19 .

[FellowerOfOdin]

Oghren. Terribly written, 2hand-warrior thus useless skills and downright annoying. Do not want.

[Frybread76]

I think Zevran and Sten are tied for most useless teammate. Zevran is a rogue who cannot open locks and Sten is a one-trick pony as even Oghren gets two specializations.

[SniperWolfMandy]

I find myself using Sten and Zevran the least.... I think you can teach Zev to open up locks but by the time you get him either you or Leliana already knows at least the 3rd level of opening locks. Sten he really is kinda crippled only learning one specialization.

[Rockworm503]

In my 4 playthroughs I have yet to make use of Sten and I've tried.

[pumpkinman13]

have never used Oghren for anything more than half an hour. Never used Sten, Zevran. Preferred party is Morrigan, Alistair and Warhound or Leilana.

[Doriath]

Zevran. Seems to be extremely weak and useless outside of combat.

Modifié par chrisnabal, 30 janvier 2011 - 10:04 .

[Juggernaught203]

Either Zevran or Dog.Never used either of them.

[Elhanan]

Zev or Sten. While both are more helpful after a Respec, I find many of their insights, complaints, etc. hurtful to the party morale, as well as the Warden's patience. A few of my HN Wardens do not even take them back to camp; find less compassion for them than others.

[roachgamer]

Personally, I haven't found any characters to be truly useless. It all depends on combining your combat style and their combat specialties, as well as building them into the right character. I haven't used any respec mods on any of my runthroughs.



Sten: if you give him a few gifts and do his personal quest, you get Asala, which fixes the swing...miss...swing...miss aspect with its high attack bonus. Same if you use perfect striking. Oghren is pretty similar in that regard, and I find they're best used for heavy armor enemies like golems or the dragons.



Zevran: best used in fights where the enemies are clearly labeled on the map, rather than when they start with a cutscene or i jump in like a world map encounter. I use stealth to set up my rogues (Zev, Leli, and myself) where i want them before the battle begins. If you are ambushed, however, Zevran may go down very fast.



Leliana: get here a rapid aim bow and build up her ranged combat talents, and she's pretty good. don't, and she may be kind of useless in a fight.



Morrigan/Wynne: I build Morrigan into a battle mage and give her all the fire spells. Wynne i usually just leave as a healer and pull her out to heal injuries if i don't feel like using kits or returning to base, although i have been experimenting with using haste and her glyphs, which can make things rather devastating (repulsion glyph+bottleneck+firestorm=death).



Alistair: use him as a tank, use him as a mage-hunter, whatever; depends on your tactics.



Shale: the ultimate in multi-tasking

[shatteredstar56]

Sten, I almost never used. He's a tank, but he doesn't have the templar specialty right away like Alister, and he doesn't have the humor oh Oghren. Plus the whole thing in Honnleath really made me want to stop using him.



If my character is a Rogue, I either use Leliana or Zevran, depending on whether I like the bow and arrow or daggers for my character, and I'll never use the other. Usually Leliana, because she's easier to build up to stand heavy armor, and she's already trained in the ways of the bow.



If I use a mage, I never use Morrigan. Wynne drives me insane, since her tactics always end up getting my other characters killed, but Morrigan is kind of useless. She has no healing magic, and does well with battle magic, but that's what my character is usually trained in, with a minor in healing.



Alister's useful until I get Shale or Ohgren, then he fades to black. His templar abilities are good, but only when they're completely maxed out and fully leveled up. Otherwise he's just another tank.



The dog is useful for battle until you get Shale or Ohgren, or Wynne. It's helpful that he loves your decisions no matter what, but he is basically useless in battle otherwise, as the levels get higher. He's usually the first to KO for me.

[Bahlgan]

Alot of people are not really hip and today about Sten, and I suppose the "only one spec" argument is a completely viable statement. Personally I really hate the way Qunari act and believe in general with their oppressive beliefs. But that's not what we're talking about so I will get to the point.



To me, the most useless characters were the dog and Shale. Of course for Shale, I didn't get her until I recruited all the main units, so she did not enact an exemplary amount of might towards my enemies.



Dog, on the other hand, while he has a very unique set of skills and has helped me on many occasions, still does not place himself on par with the others. This means that while I think the dog has contributed the least (therefore the least useful) I do NOT sway myself under any opinion that he is completely useless. Please do keep in mind that I keep score of utility for each character.

[USArmyParatrooper]

roachgamer wrote...

Shale: the ultimate in multi-tasking

Yep.  I read early in the thread someone named Shale one of the least useless! Huh?? He cited her lack of equipment, but her high end crystals are absolutely epic. As are her talents, of which there are many.

[USArmyParatrooper]

Bahlgan wrote...

Alot of people are not really hip and today about Sten, and I suppose the "only one spec" argument is a completely viable statement. Personally I really hate the way Qunari act and believe in general with their oppressive beliefs. But that's not what we're talking about so I will get to the point.

To me, the most useless characters were the dog and Shale. Of course for Shale, I didn't get her until I recruited all the main units, so she did not enact an exemplary amount of might towards my enemies.

Dog, on the other hand, while he has a very unique set of skills and has helped me on many occasions, still does not place himself on par with the others. This means that while I think the dog has contributed the least (therefore the least useful) I do NOT sway myself under any opinion that he is completely useless. Please do keep in mind that I keep score of utility for each character.

I wasn't calling you out in my last reply, it was coincidental. But can you elaborate on Shale? She's an ubber tank with the biggest bag of tricks in the game.

[Bahlgan]

USArmyParatrooper wrote...

I wasn't calling you out in my last reply, it was coincidental. But can you elaborate on Shale? She's an ubber tank with the biggest bag of tricks in the game.

Hmm? Calling me out? Thought your previous reply was to roachgamer, not me.

But to answer your question, I just did not get as much from Shale as I did from the others, minus the duration of time I had her in my play-through. She certainly had utility in the form of being able to switch combat styles (certainly one reason why I think she's awesome), however she just didn't make the best use of them. Switching her styles too often resulted in a disdain towards her way of fighting. When I make my PC play-through I will make the decision for her to be a main close combat with an occasional inkling for long range.

The crystals were certainly powerful, legendary, and awesome as you say, but they did not impress me as much as the traditional armor values worn by other characters. Despite that the stats on her crystals were immeasurable by themselves, they still did not serve as much as I thought they would, compared to the armor and weapons totaled to my Warden and to Alistair. 

Before you get offended, if you do, please do remember my disclaimer saying that I did not call her useless though. OP, whether intended or not, makes the thread title sound pessimistic; I would just announce the least useful.

[ColaQueen]

Well they all have their uses and uselessness. I think I find Oghren used least next to dog. Mostly because I usually do not get him till late and I've already got enough fighters.



I find that if I pair Sten with Alistair as my frontal assualt and defense team this works very well with my rogue characters with Morrigan as the mage back doing her magic damage. With enough health poultices I find I don't have to rely on wynne. If I do use Wynne I always bring Morrigan too as I find them a better pair just like with Alistair and Sten.



Which often makes Lelianna a less used character unless I am a warrior myself and so need a rogue, I still find her hard to work with and notice my teams that feature her and Wynne vs Morrigan have to struggle a lot more. This probably my own fault though for not really understanding how to use Lel and Wynne together or perhaps wrongly pairing them.



Dog simply doesn't get used that often because I prefer to have my "friends and lovers" with me for all the dialogue options.



People who think Sten is boring obviously don't pay much attention to his aside comments when running around particularly if you have Morrigan and or Alistair with you. I hear he is also really funny with Shale. His b/w logic is a good way to ****** Morrigan off which is always fun. Trying to chip away at that exterior is also fun making him a very good character to explore.



Frankly I find Lel more boring than Sten only because she can be a bit predictable with her over the top goody alignment, but her stories are good for history and myth.

[Amazon Queen]

Useless or least used?
Useless I don't know. I've found a use for them all but least used it would have to be Zevran and Morrigan mostly becuae they require a lot of attention to use effectively. Mostly I prefer to run my main character and let the rest run on auto .
Early on (Circle Tower, Redcliffe and Haven) I ran Leiliana, Wynne and Aliastair, Brecilian Forest Iwent Dog, Shale and Leiliana, in Orzhammer its been Shale, Oghren and Leiliana. This has been with an Arcane Warrior/Spirit Healer.

edit: And Sten may not have been used a lot but he got the final kill on Flemeth and the High Dragon
another edit: But most useless when you get them would have to be Leiliana. Spends all her time running away from mobs. Give her a few levels and shes great but when you get her shes a liability.

Modifié par Amazon Queen, 04 février 2011 - 12:18 .