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[Silensfurtim]

Poll here



http://social.biowar...6950/polls/919/

[bjdbwea]

For the combat, there's always the respec mod. Therefore it's the dog, no doubt.

[Heals.like.Jesus]

Morrigan is a mage. By definition she is a god. She can put the most hurt over a large area, tank better than anyone with AW spec, keep your party alive or keep enemies dead and immobilized.



What's that bull you are saying?

[SushiSquid]

As with all party members whose names don't start with an L, Sten is poorly built, but he goes further by not even getting two specializations. His damage output and tanking abilities are both lacking.



Zevran starts with poor optimization due to his name not starting with L. Unless you manually take control of him, his damage is also poor. When he does get around enemies though, they get mad and kill him quickly.



Oghren has mostly the same problems as Sten, but at least gets two specializations. His starter is also a good one.



Morrigan starts with terrible attribute, spell, and specialization selections. She needs to be slowly built into something useful.



Wynne begins with poorly optimized attribute and spell choices, but a good specialization and the ability to get a unique power.



Alistair has bad attribute scores and a specialization whose talent line is horrible (still worth taking for Knight-Commander Plate though). He tanks decently enough though.



Shale and Dog are more unique. Both cannot benefit from normal equipment and thus tend to fall behind later on, but their unique talent selections make them interesting party members and certainly valuable enough.



Leliana is the only companion with an optimized build. Bard lets her buff during fights and out of fights her trap-finding and lockpicking abilities are great. Her starting talents and attributes are also actually pretty good. If the main character is not a rogue and doesn't want to baby sit Zevran during fights, she should always be in the party.

[DragonRageGT]

Sidney wrote...

Sten and Ogren are the same guy and both are equally useless as both a tank or an offensive weapon add to that they have the least interesting party dialogue and I'll never take them with me again.

OMG, I respect your opinion but that is just that! Go watch my banter series if you wish! The best ones are from Ogrhen and Sten with different party formation... The "softie" lines with Leliana on vol. 12 and in the Epilogue chapter of my series are easily the best of them, imho! Oghren is definitely my favourite char when the ROFLMAO factor is to be considered!

And I've taking only Sten, Leliana and my 2 hander in my non mage party NM run, with Alistair or Oghren on the last spot and it's been a great fun! I'm a lot stronger and well built than Sten will ever be, I hit a lot harder than him and still he managed to take some 2% from my party damage contribution and more from the others... I'm working on get those back and already did it for 1%... hehe

[Deception_2112]

LOL Leliana and Sten...that was amusing to witness...i suggest anyone who hasn't tried to put them together and see how it progresses, it's damn hilarious

[Realmjumper]

I recc the respec add on and no follower auto level add on. That way everyone is useful because they don't have stuff that you don't use.

[Mesecina]

Aren't a lot of you confusing your personal likes/dislikes (with a drop of homophopia) with usefulness. Because without one of the mods that fix archery Leliana is miles behind Zevran in terms of damage. And in melee you just don't get enough points at your disposal to make her even decent. Oh yeah she can pick locks...

Zev is without doubt one of the best damage dealers if positioned correctly

[Time4Tiddy]

Personally I can't stand Leliana - no matter what I do with her tactics, she always switches to her melee and runs into combat, and her accent was so annoying. I know there are mods to "fix" archery but I'm hesitant to try any mods until I've worn the game out a little more. Worst part of game hands down, Leliana's awful "campfire song" where suddenly it's not her voice anymore, and you have to spend ten minutes watching everyone else give her the eye while nothing happens. I really only used her after clearing a zone to run back through and open all the chests. The only thing I liked about Leliana was her cute dialogue with the dog, very sweet, but there's only like two of them.

If I play as a mage, Wynne also pretty much gets left behind. She makes a decent healer/AW, but totally unnecessary if you are a mage yourself, and IMO, the least interesting party dialogue.

I actually used Zevran a lot, he does a ton of damage if you can position him correctly and start him from stealth, plus his poisons are great. And you can easily switch Sten to any other spec, since you get him so early - no reason to leave him on two-hander if you don't care for that.

Modifié par Time4Tiddy, 14 décembre 2009 - 08:13 .

[fanman72]

stubbieAussie wrote...

I think Morrigan is the most useless.
I used shape shifting once simply out of curiosity, and never used it again.
Didn't even bother with her hexes.
Admittedly her cold spells did come in handy occasionally, as did the fact I gave her a heal spell, but she was always the weakest link in my party.

So why have her in my party?.....because without a doubt she is the most interesting character in the game.

Are you kidding me?  It is extremely difficult to get through DA without a mage.  If you don't want wynne and your PC isn't a mage, Morrigan is almost necessarly.  She contributed 40% to my party damage alone.  Maxed out cold and lightning spells were invaluable 

[DragonRageGT]

Time4Tiddy wrote...

Personally I can't stand Leliana - no matter what I do with her tactics, she always switches to her melee and runs into combat, and her accent was so annoying.

Quick comment just on the line where I stop reading... there is a thing called Behaviour in the top right of the Tactics screen and there is Ranged on it...

[ABCoLD]

Sten sucks the most, maybe if his personal quest item was zomg way more special he'd be interesting, as it is he's a very vanilla character.



Oghren is at least interesting to talk to, and you find some racial items in the parts of the game where he is that if you're not a dwarf work very well thematically for him. So he at least looks cool.



But seriously, if I'm a warrior or a mage then Wynne, Lel and Alistair are my team.

[AsheraII]

Sten and Oghren. I only pick them for their personal quests.

Dog would be third on my list of rarely used, I think he should have a few more talents tbh. At lvl 18 or 19 or so he can't use his skillpoints anymore, which is a bit of a shame.

I don't use Shale often, but its personal talents are an interesting change at times.

[steelfire_dragon]

the rogue at  the begininng , whats his naem, the cutpurse.

no skills in lock picking.

useless, man what did the devs plan for us to use him for?
 going around pick pocketing the guards?

past him, Zevran, whom I put here only becuaase I dont like him

[stubbieAussie]

fanman72 wrote...

stubbieAussie wrote...

I think Morrigan is the most useless.
I used shape shifting once simply out of curiosity, and never used it again.
Didn't even bother with her hexes.
Admittedly her cold spells did come in handy occasionally, as did the fact I gave her a heal spell, but she was always the weakest link in my party.

So why have her in my party?.....because without a doubt she is the most interesting character in the game.

Are you kidding me?  It is extremely difficult to get through DA without a mage.  If you don't want wynne and your PC isn't a mage, Morrigan is almost necessarly.  She contributed 40% to my party damage alone.  Maxed out cold and lightning spells were invaluable 

Nope...not kidding you at all.

Where did I say I completed DA:O without a mage?
I had Wynne in my party and I also had Morrigan. How else would I have formed my opinion of Morrigan if I hadnt played with her?

All I said was I found her to be the most useless....which is what this thread is about. Read the original post.

I'm happy you found her to be usefull....but I didnt.

[guru7892]

zeveran, mostly because I just don't like him.



I'm not gonna hang with a character I don't like.

[magor1988x]

From a character perspective/story background I like all of the characters. Can't say I have a "least favorite"



In my mind there are good characters and great characters, no bad characters. (You'd think Dog but actually he's a blast to have around and gets in a lot more scenes then you'd think)



I find the Antivan and Orlesian accents a bit annoying, but I like the backgrounds for Zevran and Leliana.



Wynne is a bit too straightforward to be awesome.



Sten only ever gets one specialty point (Everyone else gets 2) is that just a bug or is that game design? I find it really annoying.



I like Sten as a character though. I study the Middle East and Middle Eastern history a lot so seeing the Qnari race is a lot of fun. Full of these paradoxes makes him very interesting.



Oghren is just hilarious, as is Alistair.



Morrigan can be a bit of a, how shall I say, beotch. Kind of want to slap her. Very over bearing and a know it all. Not many morals either which makes her predictable.



Anyhow... The characters that do suck are the temporary companions at the beginning of the game in the Origins. Annoying wastes of space, never the right spec or class. Sigh.

[Gecon]

Well - with the respec mod, all companions are useful. And can always be different than in the last Walkthrough.

And about Sten, I'm amazed I still have to give him the missing Specialization point and the 4 missing attribute points by hand. Granted, I can give him the racial bonus of +4 on Strength, so its actually an advantage. But still I would have expected someone would have made a mod by now.

[Badger8126]

I get the feeling that two handed weapons are too slow to be of use, I can stab an enemy 3 times before they even get off the first swing.

It bites that everyone is pretty stuck in their respective weapons classes.

[Clammo]

Time4Tiddy wrote...

Personally I can't stand Leliana - no matter what I do with her tactics, she always switches to her melee and runs into combat...

On the left side of her tactics screen switch the drop down menu to Archery, on the right side of the tactics screen set it to Ranged and then set up the archery tactics you want her to use.

[Kelston]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

If you position Zevran behind the enemy, he crits almost every hit. He's one of my favourite team members to bring along. Especially for his Assassin skillz.

That applies to any rogue really. You could have just made Leli melee or made a rogue character.

I probably am the odd one out here and found most to be annoying.

Leliana - Okay. We get it. You're supposed to be a French girl. You don't need to say Orlais 1000 times in conversation to emphasize the French-ness.

Sten - Again, we get it, you're supposed to be a hard-ass or whatever. Show some level of depth. You could probably replace most of Sten's dialog with a grunt and you'd get about the same character.

Zevran - Right Said Fred did it first. He's too sexy for his shirt. Get your own bit.

Wynne - If I wanted to be nagged about stuff I was doing, I would just call mom and tell her I started doing drugs.

Dog - Bark. BarkBarkBark BarkBarkBarkBarkBarkBarkBarkBarkBarkBarkBarkBarkBarkBark. SHUT UP.

Morrigan - Your like meter is at 100. We're BFFs. You should already know i'm not going to Wayne Brady the next person I see. Why are you surprised? At least you have boobs I guess?

Ohgren - Played very little with him. He seemed to have potential as the token drunk/comic relief but given the flatness of the rest of the characters, I wasn't going to sacrifice my 3 mage party just to see if whether or not I would be disappointed.

I like the effort that went into voicing the characters. I hated that they were mostly one dimensional to me. And I hated the fact that there was little to no character growth over the course of the game. Character growth is a binary switch. I know, it's a game. At least try to mask it. It shouldn't be "Man up already" and then bam, overnight your party member changes. What happened to the rest of the time you were with me?

Shale was probably the only one that had a meaningful change as it went along.

[Zenon]

Depends on my main. If my main char is a rogue I'd rarely bring Leliana or Zevran along. If I have a warrior, I'd only bring one warrior around. I sometimes switched team members depending on location and quest line. To me it makes more sense to bring the dwarf along in Deep Roads than the Qunari for example.



Also I usually let the mages spec different primal lines and often level them towards a certain strategic use. To me Morrigan will be always geared more towards damage/entropy and spellpower, Wynne I'd give more Willpower and healing/creation. I often skill Morrigan with ice and perhaps lightining, Wynne with earth and fire. Against undead fire seems to hurt them more than ice. Ice only appears superior because of the crowd control functions. This can be remedied by giving the fire caster something like mass-paralyzation to make up for it. Only downside is you need two spells, but then again mass paralyzation "freezes" the enemies more reliably and longer than e.g. a blizzard.



Shale and Alistair are usually my anti-mage weapons. Shale with lightning, and Alistair with his templar abilities rock against mages.



I don't consider any useless, but some I bring less often around. In my games Zevran stayed in camp most often followed by the dog, Oghren, and Sten. I usually prefer Leliana to Zevran, Sten to Oghren, Shale to both 2h-fighters. It's hard to say if I prefer Wynne or Morrigan. I'd say Wynne saved my life more often, so she takes the cake for being more around than Morrigan in my games.



I build Alistair more defensive than the other fighters, so he usually is my main tank. But if I play a warrior myself, I might rather take two mages and a rogue along, so then Alistair may more often than not stay in camp as well.



Apart from strategic motives I sometimes take a companion with me out of sympathy or curiosity about the character. Especially with Sten you learn more about him when tagging him along, than leaving him at the campfire.

[Zenon]

Kelston wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

If you position Zevran behind the enemy, he crits almost every hit. He's one of my favourite team members to bring along. Especially for his Assassin skillz.

That applies to any rogue really. You could have just made Leli melee or made a rogue character.

I probably am the odd one out here and found most to be annoying.

Leliana - Okay. We get it. You're supposed to be a French girl. You don't need to say Orlais 1000 times in conversation to emphasize the French-ness.

Sten - Again, we get it, you're supposed to be a hard-ass or whatever. Show some level of depth. You could probably replace most of Sten's dialog with a grunt and you'd get about the same character.

Zevran - Right Said Fred did it first. He's too sexy for his shirt. Get your own bit.

Wynne - If I wanted to be nagged about stuff I was doing, I would just call mom and tell her I started doing drugs.

Dog - Bark. BarkBarkBark BarkBarkBarkBarkBarkBarkBarkBarkBarkBarkBarkBarkBarkBark. SHUT UP.

Morrigan - Your like meter is at 100. We're BFFs. You should already know i'm not going to Wayne Brady the next person I see. Why are you surprised? At least you have boobs I guess?

Ohgren - Played very little with him. He seemed to have potential as the token drunk/comic relief but given the flatness of the rest of the characters, I wasn't going to sacrifice my 3 mage party just to see if whether or not I would be disappointed.

I like the effort that went into voicing the characters. I hated that they were mostly one dimensional to me. And I hated the fact that there was little to no character growth over the course of the game. Character growth is a binary switch. I know, it's a game. At least try to mask it. It shouldn't be "Man up already" and then bam, overnight your party member changes. What happened to the rest of the time you were with me?

Shale was probably the only one that had a meaningful change as it went along.

Would be interesting to know what kind of characters you would enjoy more? Apart from being more round in terms of change of personality I mean. Ok some characters can be associated with a certain set of stereotypes. Then again which character in any story/movie is completely free from that? Also I'd say the way a player sees or even is annoyed by a felt stereotype being represented by a character sais more about the player than the NPC.

[casadechrisso]

Sten by far... can't even hit the space key in time before he's dead on the ground.

Actually, most of the tanks are prone to dying, I get by fine with a mage and a 2nd rogue (Leliana prefered). As a tank the dog is more useful than Alistair, Sten and Oghren together. Maybe I just don't like tanks though, dunno...

[KariTR]

fanman72 wrote...

stubbieAussie wrote...

I think Morrigan is the most useless.
I used shape shifting once simply out of curiosity, and never used it again.
Didn't even bother with her hexes.
Admittedly her cold spells did come in handy occasionally, as did the fact I gave her a heal spell, but she was always the weakest link in my party.

So why have her in my party?.....because without a doubt she is the most interesting character in the game.

Are you kidding me?  It is extremely difficult to get through DA without a mage.  If you don't want wynne and your PC isn't a mage, Morrigan is almost necessarly.  She contributed 40% to my party damage alone.  Maxed out cold and lightning spells were invaluable 

Just coming up to the Landsmeet now with my non-mage party playthrough and I have found that damage-soaks coupled with damage-dodgers is far less life-threatening than having a squishy in the party. Health poultices are far more efficient than Wynne and Morrigan's CC ability is replaced with Sten's inhuman ability to knockback surrounding melee while my archer(s) stun them with a well placed arrow and have the ability to one-shot kill.

Try Jarvia and Branka with all melee and tell me mages are essential...numerous times during this playthrough Ive had to check settings to make sure someone hadnt set them to an easier level! Coupled with the fact that if you play a mage yourself you can do the jobs of both Wynne and Morrigan, and far more efficiently too, so although I wouldnt exactly call any companion "useless" it tis the mages I would leave at camp.

Agree with others re Zev's damage outpowering Leliana's. She is my 3rd most "useless" companion.

Shale doesnt even get to camp, as someone else commented she has no RP place in the world and stays in Hornleath (?) for my games.

Modifié par KariTR, 14 décembre 2009 - 09:48 .