Zevran is quite useless in fights and all, but he´s great with his dialogues. Dog isnt very useful either. But the award for the most useless one goes to....
APPLAUSE PLEASE!
WYNNE!
Why? Because with only 2 skillpoints and second spec spirithealer or respec-mod, Morrigan can heal as good as Wynne, most spells that Wynne has are useless, and besides of the dialogues with Oghren she isnt very funny to have around.
The Most Useless Team Mate
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#152
Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 10:08
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Sten ..
Swing ...
70
5 sec later
Swing
Miss
Knocked Out
10 sec later
Swing 45...
He's useless.
..Zevran ain,t useless ... Dual wield >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2H
Swing ...
70
5 sec later
Swing
Miss
Knocked Out
10 sec later
Swing 45...
He's useless.
..Zevran ain,t useless ... Dual wield >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2H
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#153
Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 12:16
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Im playing through right now with Morrigan, Dog, and shale. I brought the dog along because I'd rather be shot then have the giant bleeding tampon allister whining about something I do he doesn't like. So far it's a solid team.
Shale - All con for stat
and me dual wield warrior
Running it on hard and I Feel like it's too easy
Shale - All con for stat
and me dual wield warrior
Running it on hard and I Feel like it's too easy
#154
Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 12:42
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With a rogue PC I found Lelianna to be the most useless. My character could pick his own locks, and since Lelianna was such a weak fighter Zevran managed to get more in-party time than her.
A tank PC found Alistair the most useless. If a second tank was needed Shale worked out better. Or even Sten and Oghren.
And a mage PC usually left Morrigan at camp.
A tank PC found Alistair the most useless. If a second tank was needed Shale worked out better. Or even Sten and Oghren.
And a mage PC usually left Morrigan at camp.
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#155
Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 12:55
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Not taking into account how your character might bump someone out of their pre-written use, I gotta hand it to Oghren. You already have a 2H character who you have more room to customize and has the added bonus of not sodding saying sodding "sodding" sodding after sodding every sodding other sodding word sodding that sodding makes sodding me sodding vomit sodding in sodding agony.
#156
Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 01:13
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Tough call, as any npc can have their uses. Although sadly, some only become useful later when you give them good talents/spells. I'm assuming the thread is talking about useless from a combat perspective, not in terms of dialogue.
Hate to say it, but dog is probably the most useless. The inability to specialize really did it. At least with Oghren you can specialize so he can war cry or specialize into Reaver. Dog can't do that. He's a great mage killer, and dread howl has its uses. But other than that his dps isn't anything special.
Oghren is second. He comes too late. Even if you do Deep Roads first (I actually did do this on my second game) you still get him late. You have to do many Ozrimar quests first. And when he does join you, you can't really talk to him until you finish the Anvil. And seeing as he comes late, well his talents are too screwed up to tank. You are stuck with him using a 2 hander. 2 handed weapons in this game, just don't impress me. My duel weilding rogue using daggers does more damage. 2 handed weapons should do MUCH more damage than a dagger.
Sten- the lack of specialization hurts him. The good thing is you get him early. He can tank, but it takes ages for him to be decent. He won't finish out the sword/shield tree until end game. If only we could respec... His dialogue is good, despite what others have said. But you may have to gift him to get anywhere in dialogue to start.
Zevran: he comes too late as well. Although if you do redcliff first (redcliff seems the shortest), you can get him fairly early. But he's a tough battle that early. He doesn't start out with many duel weild talents, many are in the rogue tree. And you'll have to micromanage him to get him into proper backstabbing position. I prefer to control my during my fights, not npc's. Lelianna as an archer requires little positioning micromanagement.
Morrigan: useless shapeshifter spells and specialization. Have to give her spirit healer unless you bring another mage. But she will shine if you do have 2 mages, as you can concentrate on her dps. But if not, you'll spend much of the early game getting her some much needed healing spells. It seems to take forever for you to get her up one level so you can get a basic heal spell.
Hate to say it, but dog is probably the most useless. The inability to specialize really did it. At least with Oghren you can specialize so he can war cry or specialize into Reaver. Dog can't do that. He's a great mage killer, and dread howl has its uses. But other than that his dps isn't anything special.
Oghren is second. He comes too late. Even if you do Deep Roads first (I actually did do this on my second game) you still get him late. You have to do many Ozrimar quests first. And when he does join you, you can't really talk to him until you finish the Anvil. And seeing as he comes late, well his talents are too screwed up to tank. You are stuck with him using a 2 hander. 2 handed weapons in this game, just don't impress me. My duel weilding rogue using daggers does more damage. 2 handed weapons should do MUCH more damage than a dagger.
Sten- the lack of specialization hurts him. The good thing is you get him early. He can tank, but it takes ages for him to be decent. He won't finish out the sword/shield tree until end game. If only we could respec... His dialogue is good, despite what others have said. But you may have to gift him to get anywhere in dialogue to start.
Zevran: he comes too late as well. Although if you do redcliff first (redcliff seems the shortest), you can get him fairly early. But he's a tough battle that early. He doesn't start out with many duel weild talents, many are in the rogue tree. And you'll have to micromanage him to get him into proper backstabbing position. I prefer to control my during my fights, not npc's. Lelianna as an archer requires little positioning micromanagement.
Morrigan: useless shapeshifter spells and specialization. Have to give her spirit healer unless you bring another mage. But she will shine if you do have 2 mages, as you can concentrate on her dps. But if not, you'll spend much of the early game getting her some much needed healing spells. It seems to take forever for you to get her up one level so you can get a basic heal spell.
#157
Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 03:25
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I am thinking Shale might be but I am stuck in the Nightmare Fade region trying to rescue him and can't even reach him. If I can free him, he's useless.
#158
Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 03:43
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They are all useless.
My character (regardless of build) does more damage than any 3 of them combined. Lame.
My character (regardless of build) does more damage than any 3 of them combined. Lame.
#159
Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 05:00
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Leilana and Morrigan. In Morrigan's case I was tired of all her sarcastic remarks. I wish there was an option for my mc to walk up to her and just pimp slap some respect into her. In Leilana's case she is too much a goodie, goodie. I was strolling in the market area in one of the city's just picking peoples pockets (I am a rogue) and she had the nerve to tell me I was going to have to stop that. Also, I don't use the dog that much either.
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Posté 18 décembre 2009 - 10:11
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she really said that? LOL Considering she has the steal skill and I use her to steal from the chantry people even.
#161
Posté 18 décembre 2009 - 10:15
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Atrloki wrote...
Leilana and Morrigan. In Morrigan's case I was tired of all her sarcastic remarks. I wish there was an option for my mc to walk up to her and just pimp slap some respect into her. In Leilana's case she is too much a goodie, goodie. I was strolling in the market area in one of the city's just picking peoples pockets (I am a rogue) and she had the nerve to tell me I was going to have to stop that. Also, I don't use the dog that much either.
That is strange. I played this game 2 times as a rogue and I pick pocket everyone including people in the Chantry and she never said that to me.
#162
Posté 18 décembre 2009 - 10:30
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Wynn/Shale/Lelianna are my picks for the worst. I don't like good aligned characters too much. Way too boring imo. Allistair is an exception because he's funny, in a lame way.
I can't bring myself to make a party without Morrigan and Zevran. Love them both.
I can't bring myself to make a party without Morrigan and Zevran. Love them both.
#163
Posté 18 décembre 2009 - 10:54
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The 2-handers are useless, to slow, Wynn I haven't played with that much but dog at least saved my ass a few times.
Morrigan is my only must have, she was my only healer and mage after I killed Wynn.
Morrigan is my only must have, she was my only healer and mage after I killed Wynn.
#164
Posté 18 décembre 2009 - 10:56
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I can't believe all the Sten hate in this thread. Actually considering how many people on these forums don't seem to know how to play a 2handed weapon using warrior (as in complaining about slow auto attacks when you should NEVER be auto attacking for any reason other than to immediately chain a special on hit) I really shouldn't be surprised.
He's got great burst damage (auto attack, immediatly chain sunder armor to cut off auto attack animation and get 2 more hits, auto attack, chain sunder arms, critical, mighty blow can net you 500+ damage in no time), I like his background, and most importantly you get him EARLY. You have to complete half of the Orzammar questline to pick up Oghren, whereas you get Sten for free at Lothering. His conversations with Morrigan and Leliana were also quite amusing.
Personally I think Zevran is the worst and don't think it's even remotely close. With Sten, at least you can't complain about his talent choices. They're everything a 2hander would want, with Zevran though? Guy is useless, low cunning, no utility, crap damage until boosted later.
He's got great burst damage (auto attack, immediatly chain sunder armor to cut off auto attack animation and get 2 more hits, auto attack, chain sunder arms, critical, mighty blow can net you 500+ damage in no time), I like his background, and most importantly you get him EARLY. You have to complete half of the Orzammar questline to pick up Oghren, whereas you get Sten for free at Lothering. His conversations with Morrigan and Leliana were also quite amusing.
Personally I think Zevran is the worst and don't think it's even remotely close. With Sten, at least you can't complain about his talent choices. They're everything a 2hander would want, with Zevran though? Guy is useless, low cunning, no utility, crap damage until boosted later.
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#165
Posté 18 décembre 2009 - 10:56
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1) Dog, but it's not his fault. I read somewhere that on the consoles he comes with the ability to get the warrior talents (taunt, powerful etc) On the PC, he just has the 8 mabari talents which leads to leftover points at higher levels.
#166
Posté 18 décembre 2009 - 10:57
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Sten and Ohgren have never been useful to me. Ever.
#167
Posté 18 décembre 2009 - 11:35
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Curse me if you wish : Morrigan.
#168
Posté 19 décembre 2009 - 12:03
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sinosleep wrote...
Personally I think Zevran is the worst and don't think it's even remotely close. With Sten, at least you can't complain about his talent choices. They're everything a 2hander would want, with Zevran though? Guy is useless, low cunning, no utility, crap damage until boosted later.
So true, what kind of moronic DW rogue doesn't pump all talents into momentium asap. Not to mention no pick locks, wtf dude. Due to his poor setup I have to use lelianna everytime even though I think her personality is bland and boring. Unless I make a rogue myself then I just kick both of em to the curb.
#169
Posté 19 décembre 2009 - 12:21
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For killing things Sten.
For wandering about listening to companion chatter, sadly I hate to say it, but Dog. He has the least and none are super stellar.
For wandering about listening to companion chatter, sadly I hate to say it, but Dog. He has the least and none are super stellar.
#170
Posté 19 décembre 2009 - 12:30
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-Zev doesn't see much action, he's frail and my main is a dual weapon specialist.
-Dog just doesn't come anymore
he served me so well in the early battles.
-Sten is a regular in my party. Keep his dexterity up to make sure he lands his hits- because when they do they take massive chunks of enemy health.
-Wynne is always at my side. yes, heath on tap, indeed.
-Alistair is a regular because I have him as my mage killer- he's stacked with spell resistance and lightning damage.
-Leliana is quite the archer. as long as you protect her with your tanks she does great amounts of damage. Unfortunately, her game time is lmited to when I feel just like mixing it up.
Morrigan is great, but she's just a bit... frail. I had trouble early on keeping her off the ground.
-I just Found Oghren and Shale, so I'm just using them right now, trying them out.
I think the whole point of the abundant characters is that yes, some will be not used. That's because it depends on what your main characters is- if you're already a tank, you'll don't need other tanks as much.
-Dog just doesn't come anymore
he served me so well in the early battles.-Sten is a regular in my party. Keep his dexterity up to make sure he lands his hits- because when they do they take massive chunks of enemy health.
-Wynne is always at my side. yes, heath on tap, indeed.
-Alistair is a regular because I have him as my mage killer- he's stacked with spell resistance and lightning damage.
-Leliana is quite the archer. as long as you protect her with your tanks she does great amounts of damage. Unfortunately, her game time is lmited to when I feel just like mixing it up.
Morrigan is great, but she's just a bit... frail. I had trouble early on keeping her off the ground.
-I just Found Oghren and Shale, so I'm just using them right now, trying them out.
I think the whole point of the abundant characters is that yes, some will be not used. That's because it depends on what your main characters is- if you're already a tank, you'll don't need other tanks as much.
Modifié par StaticSilence, 19 décembre 2009 - 12:35 .
#171
Posté 19 décembre 2009 - 12:38
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In this game strength and dex provide the same amount of bonus to attack, so pumping dex for hitrate isn't necessary on a melee character since strength will boost damage on top of hitrate.
#172
Posté 19 décembre 2009 - 12:47
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i'd have to agree sten is for me the most useless, however I never felt that with ohgren as I have had die less than sten in battles and when I gave him legion armour and starfang he did enough damage with berserker and reaver specs
Leliana for is definitely not useless as i pump the dex and cunning for her with all the bow talents and give her the ranger spec and she never falls in battle and more often than not kills alot of hard enemies for me at ranges using arrow of slaying and doing like 350+ dmg and if being attacked in melee she gets protected by her bear or spider, i actually find her one of the most useful characters
Leliana for is definitely not useless as i pump the dex and cunning for her with all the bow talents and give her the ranger spec and she never falls in battle and more often than not kills alot of hard enemies for me at ranges using arrow of slaying and doing like 350+ dmg and if being attacked in melee she gets protected by her bear or spider, i actually find her one of the most useful characters
#173
Posté 19 décembre 2009 - 01:09
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I did not realize dog didn't have warrior talents on the pc version! No wonder folks don't care for him. Yes, dog has both lines of warrior talents (perfect striking and the one with powerful in it) along with his dog talents. he can taunt, disengage, etc. like any tank. I'm surprised they don't have that in the pc version?! How lame. Dog with powerful, bravery, etc. is stronger than I guess he would be without that line. Quite a bit.
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Posté 19 décembre 2009 - 01:18
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man that's sweet, cause that would allow me to use up those stupid extra talent pts i always get with dog that in my last play through annoyed the hell out of me as i kept getting the level up pop-up for him but could do nothing about it
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Posté 19 décembre 2009 - 02:30
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Useless? Tough choice really....they all have their own crappy ways...but the least chosen person to have in the party so far is Zevran.
I have found that it has a lot to do with your own character build. The next time I play (today...finished it last night) I am going to build a rogue/dual handed/warrior. So I wont need to take Leliana or Zevran at all. And to have two mages and a tank loaded with constitution I reckon will be the go for me this time.
Note - dex based warrior.
I have found that it has a lot to do with your own character build. The next time I play (today...finished it last night) I am going to build a rogue/dual handed/warrior. So I wont need to take Leliana or Zevran at all. And to have two mages and a tank loaded with constitution I reckon will be the go for me this time.
Note - dex based warrior.
Modifié par Donatelllo, 19 décembre 2009 - 02:31 .
