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[frostajulie]

The dog. His only point is the amusement factor.

I named him Duncan to tick off AListair after he dumped my mage.

I named him Bhelan after Marzipan, the Dwarf warrior Princesses brother

And ****sneeze for my first playthrough mainly because I love that word.

[Dasim4]

Zev + Wynne is awesome. Wynne and Ogren is very funny as well. I usually don't care much for Sten, Shale, Morrigan, or the dog. Maybe I just haven't given them enough time though.

[Riot Inducer]

Sten is the most useless team member. This is purely based on the fact that you get another two-handed specced warrior and Sten cannot get a specialization at level 7, meaning no matter what you do Sten is going to be inferior to a comparably equipped Oghren, if only by the lack of the free bonuses from taking a specialization.

[Shamagar]

Zevran, you get him too late to be useful... closely followed by Sten (1 spec point) and Dog

[krsboss]

...on my current playthrough I had the most fun with Morrigan when I found her in camp and forgot that I hadn't levelled her for 8 levels!!! ...all those points to spend..it was awesome!



...mostly depends on your main character, but generally I won't leave home without Wynne..anyone else is just there for a laugh. If you need someone to open locks, then you gotta take Leliana aswell. I like Ogren but purely for the dialogue he has with Wynne, though some early Sten-Leliana action is good aswell....



The dog is pretty useless....as would I say is Morrigan...Zevran's pretty bad too.



Shale can be really good if you need an aggro tank - just set him up in Stoneheart mode and have your healer (Wynne for the most part) spam regens and heals on his whilst everyone else enjoys...



With only 4 party members you need to have a balanced party...what I think work's best is 2 melee 2 ranged with minimum one mage and one lockpicker. The mage needs heal, regen & mass heal, whilst the rest is mostly arbitrary.



I have not really noticed much survivability differences between a 2H wielder and a shield wielder, though twf dex rules!

[skotie]

Probably Sten, I would rather bring Dog over Sten, I don't even bother freeing him on repeat play throughs. Oghren is pretty funny as well as Zevren, but usually I play a dps role, rogue or mage and usually I don't have room for them in the group.



Its always Alistair tanking, Leliana ranged dps, Morrigan/Wynne heals/dps/CC, then myself.



I would try making Oghren a tank once but no other character comes with talent points in nothing besides tanking specs besides Alistair, and I can't see making Oghren a tank when hes already got a good amount of points into two handed fighting. I also can't really see any dps replacing Leliana unless I made Zevran a Bard, which is why I bring her along because song of valor is so useful plus she does great damage (and shes my lock picking slave XD).

[Suron]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

If you position Zevran behind the enemy, he crits almost every hit. He's one of my favourite team members to bring along. Especially for his Assassin skillz.

yah Zevran get's a bad rap because as a lockpicker he's useless out of the gate and you have to build it up LATER...but as a melee/combat companion plus dialogue he's pretty much a monster.

I wanted to at first say the Dog..but between charge/his speed/overwhelm the Dog is actually VERY useful.

Shale being able to tank/dps/limited ranged/buff statue is also very useful.

I like all the characters personalities....however WHY DO WE HAVE TWO 2H WARRIORS?? it's dumb.

Morrigan/Wynne -> useful to take both as they both have different starting specs/flavor.
Leliana/Zevran -> useful to take both as one is ranged the other melee and one is great at picking locks etc.
Alistair -> Sword/Board while not the most efficient DPS'er in game if you have another tank...taking two tanks if yer pc is one is extremely rewarding in fights.
Shale/Dog -> already covered them above..and it's useful to take both
Oghren/Sten -> both 2h warriors and THE SAME DAMN CHARACTER..there's NO REASON to take them both..totally pointless save party banter...And Sten only get's ONE spec point....

So in the end..the most useless teammate gameplay wise is Sten...he's a gimped Oghren.

Again I love all the companions for their personalities etc...but two 2h warriors was a bad choice..especially since one is just a gimped version of the other..at least Zev/Leli and Morrigan/Wynne are spec'd differently enough in their respected classes to be useful in and of themselves.....Oghren/Sten? not so much...

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

*sighs* Sten disapproves -100 to all the people whom consider him useless

Ahh well, guess non of you are RPers and/or know how to fully implement him. Oh well, it is a shame as you obviously are missing out on how ridiculously awesome he is (as approved by Zevran)

None of them are useless unless you build them in such a fashion. Then it all comes more down to whether you find them interesting or not. I think they are all great in their own unique ways. My characters on the other hand, might hate/like certain ones depending on their views.

Nehraa Kadan!

Edit: I will say this though, Suron hit it on the head, in my opinion Oghren should have been made into a Dual Wielder to give the group more flavour. They ensured Morrigan and Wynne, as well as Leliana and Zev were different, so why not Og and Sten?

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 19 décembre 2009 - 02:31 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

Besides the quests in which he appears I have no use for Zev at all. Dog doesn't get much playtime either. He is even worse, because he is 100% friendly right from the start. Sten is handy in early quests. I rather have him with me than Alistair. I have enough of his constant whining. There is a quest in which Oghren is required for the last part. I really hate that one. He distracts too much, because he needs to be kept alive. I rather use the mana of my mages to do damage. Shale doesn't see much action either, although I like his quests to level up other characters. And of course the helm in that mod is great.



Morrigan, Wynne and Leliana are my favorite companions during fights. Leliana is great for opening chests, removing traps and firing critical shots on frozen or petrified targets. Her songs during combat are handy too. Usually she stays out of sight and fires away without too much guidance. My main character does the most kills, but when I checked the team accomplishments Leliana was second. It turns out that she is more deadly than I thought. From now on I'll make sure she gets the best equipment.

[Enduring_Warrior]

lenkeith wrote...

Actually, I do agree that it might seem that some characters are kinda like duplicates like Leli and Zevran and so on. But for me, I actually find uses for every one of them and my play style changes depending on who's in the party.
So I gotta say that I like them all.

Exactly the people that say these characters suck are just not honest enough to recognize they haven't even figured they have to adapt. Leliana and Zevran are like day and night.

[Ambaryerno]

My main party for most of the game on this playthrough has been Alistair, Leliana and Morrigan.



I find Leliana very useful in both ranged and melee combat. Pop off arrows until they close, then start Dirty Fighting and backstabbing enemies. Alistair is especially useful if you have enemy mages to deal with, and Morrigan is just a walking bag of magical whoop-ass.



Of all the party members I find Dog the least useful. He really gets obsolete VERY fast so there's not much use for him. I haven't used Zevran at all yet, mostly because his skill set more or less overlaps with Leliana's so I haven't had a need for him.

[skotie]

Enduring_Warrior wrote...

lenkeith wrote...

Actually, I do agree that it might seem that some characters are kinda like duplicates like Leli and Zevran and so on. But for me, I actually find uses for every one of them and my play style changes depending on who's in the party.
So I gotta say that I like them all.

Exactly the people that say these characters suck are just not honest enough to recognize they haven't even figured they have to adapt. Leliana and Zevran are like day and night.

Too true, honestly though I usually only run with 1 rogue in the group and Leliana is just the better pick for me, she always has the bard specilization and lock picking skills, and she is naturally an archer, I just further improve her skills. Its not to say Zevran isn't or wouldn't be a good character, quite frankly my most deadly character yet has had a build similar to Zevrans spec, although with more points in cun then dex.

Just an example from my last game Leliana had the second most kills with 211 with 14% party damage, this was quite eclipsed however by my duel weilding rogue with 1282 kills and 55% party damage right before the final battle of course.  If I ever found myself playing a tank Zevran would most surely be in the party for damage.

Modifié par skotie, 20 décembre 2009 - 10:01 .

[Dzikv]

For me it would be:

Alister



I hate his guts and he is hardly worth a dime in a combat situation. I'd take the dog over him any day...

[JaegerBane]

The 'most useless' team mate will be different for each player, as what is useless to one class is useful to another.

As a Mage/Arcane Warrior/Blood Mage, I felt that Morrigan was the least useful. She essentially was like a mild version of my character, being a lesser caster and a non-combatant and couldn't carry out any tanking, lockpicking or defusing abilities.

She got slightly better after I made her a Spirit Healer but by that point it didn't really matter. Sten was great, but imo no team mates could match the raw multi-tasking and versatility as Shale and Leliana. They were in my team for practically the whole game. The only squad mate I regularly moved around was the 4th slot, and that normally ended up fluctuating between mostly Alistair and from time to time, Sten and Oghren.

Modifié par JaegerBane, 20 décembre 2009 - 09:49 .

[Relshar]

My most useless party members in order are.

Zeveran he hits like a girl and cant take a beating.

Sten Misses most of his attacks and even when wearing the best armour I can find goes down fast.

Oghren Only reason I take him along is for the dialouge and Orzammar, after that he is left at camp.

Dog Past Lothering he is never in my party.

[Relshar]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...


Edit: I will say this though, Suron hit it on the head, in my opinion Oghren should have been made into a Dual Wielder to give the group more flavour. They ensured Morrigan and Wynne, as well as Leliana and Zev were different, so why not Og and Sten?

Agree there. Oghren would fit a DW spec far better as he is a beserker.

[Tenshinhan91]

Wow, I thought Leilana was one of the most hated characters in the game...



Anyway, I never use Wynne. Don't like her, don't want her. And how she tries to force herself upon you i f you don't kill her, it's appaling. Sure, she has healing skills, but Morrigan can take care of that and I rather use her than Wynne...



Just for the fun of it, I tried to pick my favourite team, but except Morrigan, I switched around pretty much. Guess it would go something like this:

Tank - (Shale or Alistair - I guess I used Shale for most of the game)

Mage - (In my first playthrough I always used Wynne, which lead to something of a falling out. Since I was a mage myself I never had an use of Morrigan. Second playthrough thouch, with myself as a Rogue and Wynne as a banned mage in the circle, Morrigan always has a spot in the party.)

Dps (Most often Leilana, sometimes Dog, and if I need a secondary tank, either Sten or Alistair.)

Myself (Mage first trough, Rogue second through... This leads to Zevran getting no time at all now.)



So team mostly used:

Morrigan

Shale

Leilana

[SleepyBird]

I pretty much never used Sten.  I just thought I hadn't understood how to use him properly, so it's kind of nice to know I'm not the only one who didn't like him.  The big strong silent warrior type is always my least favorite fantasy archetype anyway.

I usually had Allistar and Wynn as tank and heals while I did rogue dps, leaving me an extra spot to fill based purley on my mood or if I thought a character might have good reason to come along story-wise.

[Wompoo]

I found that using Leliana with her AOE stun when I was playing a tank in combination with Morrigan's CC line of sleep horror etc etc kept mobs nearly in perpetual sleep (Taunt, CC, Stun equals effortless victories) Sten built up properly with gear from mid levels onwards in that group was devastating to watch, 1 and 2 shot kills on many many mobs (same applies with Oghren). They are all good, it is just how you play/build them, but I hated Zevran's character, so he hardly got used at all.

Modifié par Wompoo, 20 décembre 2009 - 04:28 .

[Wertilq]

Why are people saying a certain character goes down fast or slow :S
You can allocate their stats as you see fit... Add a bit more con to their HP or some dex to their defense.
2H is far from bad, I swapped between Sten and Ohgren on my second playthrough, and especially combined with Morrigans freeze-magic 2H is a good style. Free crits = instant kill. That swing attack where they hit everyone around them is another good shatterer, and good for knocking things down(and it look cool when they does that in an horde of mobs).

Against a single target a DW backstab assassin does quite a bit more damage (those that said that Zevran have low health are newbs, he shouldn't be hit at, at all!)
Leliana make a fine archer, the later archer talents allow her to do INSANE damage. Arrow of Slaying can to 300+ damage, against hordes shattershot is devastating, critical shot is also very strong. On top of that you can put all points into dex allowing VERY high damage, and VERY high hitrate...

Neither Wynne OR Morrigan is can be considered bad, not even close to bad, and Morrigan even have the worst mage specialization...
Mages are OP, and you don't have to invest a single point extra to Morrigans shapeshifting, and you get her early which means you can place statpoints/talentpoints for her as you wish, she can master ANY school of magic you wish her to...

Shayle, she have some unique talents which make her good in many different roles... I haven't seen anyone call her the most useless. I find her a bit boring though...

The dog... just sucks. It's good early on, with that stun, but later on Mages totally outshine the dog, looking at stuns and damage, fighters can be just as good tankers, if not even better, and do better damage with better talents on top of that.
Only good thing with the dog is Overwhelm but if you love that ability so much, develop Morrigan into a shapeshifter or make a master ranger, both of them get overwhelm as well, but it's not nearly as nasty when you use it yourself as when an orange does that against one of your mages...

Dog is worst IMO, from both interestingness perspective(its one of the most boring companions) and battlewise.
Zevran and Oghren comes then, as you get them too late. Leliana can outshine Zevran, and Sten Oghren. Both Zev and Ogh are interesting though, and deffo useable, and nothing stops you from swapping and use all companions That's what I did my first playthrough.

Modifié par Wertilq, 23 décembre 2009 - 12:41 .

[sdlessar2]

Zevran, Shale, Sten, Oghren, Dog

[fairandbalancedfan]

I found Sten to be useless at beginning. But when you add points to Constitution and dexterity, he is pretty good imo.

[DeathWyrmNexus]

Sten... I can make Oghren into a battle tank in Legion of the Dead armor. Also, another damn two hander?



Zevran found a lot of use with my mage Lynn, along with Leliana and Alistair. Leliana was a walking buff with control powers plus pet. Zevran was kitted appropriately along with Alistair and they would carve through people while I worked my magic.



So Sten is my choice because he could have been better than Dog but I like Dog.

[Liffster]

I find 1 tank 1 healer and 2x rdps needs the least micro management and has the most versatility. Hence Sten and Orgren rarely make my parties except for wanting a change in npc banter. Leliana does awful damage early in the game, but makes up for it with stealing/trap/lockpick. Get her far song though and pimp up her armour and she will repay with kickass dps in the latter stages. I tend not to use Zev, though I always take him to the black pearl I find his base cunning is very poor for an assassin. It seems to take far to long to balance his stats to suit his class, and the assasin build needs alot of combat mirco management to get the most from it in combat.

The shapeshifter spec is pretty awful, but its not important. Morrigan can make a kick ass dps/crowd control mage. If you really feel the need to further specialise her, spirit healer works nicely but I never feel the need. With sleep, walking nightmare, cone of cold, plus you can easily pick up 2 damage over time aoe. You shouldnt ever need more than wynne doing the healing.



My list would be



Sten, Orghen, Zev, Shale. In that order. I'd rather take the dog over any of these.

[Zecele]

I have to wonder if all the people that had an issue with Sten dying all the time remembered to adjust his tactics. He comes set up to autothreaten and I was having the same issue until I changed that around. If you leave threaten active and he gets a decent hit he'll pull agro from the tank every time and since his dex/def is so poor yeah he'll take a beating.