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[david46]

I administer the death penalty to all who try to kill me. Therefore Zevran and the "Secret One" are the absolute worst "companions". Dead ones are not much good in a fight unless you have a necromancer.

[sinosleep]

All this hate for Sten while loving Oghren is ridiculous. On my latest playthrough I went ahead and picked him up at level 12 after having Sten around since jump to see what all the fuss was about. I gave him all the stuff Sten had been wearing and saw that he was doing 12 less damage on the tooltip than Sten who had 20 more strength then him. To make things worse the stat that Oghren gets as bonus to is CON, a stat that a 2hander doesn't need. Even with beserk active, he still lagged 2 points behind Sten in the damage department and considering that beserk is only active during fights and has a cool down it's not always going to be up. So Sten, without beserk does better damage than Oghren any way, he gets 5 point boost to strength from being friendly, he's available at lothering, and you mean to tell me people preffer Oghren? Fact is, you don't need that 2nd specialization when going 2 hander any way. Most people choose champion for warcry but if you're maxing the 2 hander tree (which you should) you get practically the same effect with sweep any way. And now that I'm lvl 16 Sten has beserk any way, so Oghren would REALLY be lagging behind in the damage department. All this hate for Sten is just nonsense.

[Hezulkai]

ShinDice wrote...

Just by curiosity, who is or are the most(s) useless team mate(s) ?

For now, I found Sten very useless for me, I mean people used him as a tank (I hope So), but now there is Shale



**No Judging Please, I`m asking this for fun **



-=ShinDice=-

All of them are useful in their way, but there are some who never get to play nowadays.

I always take Alistair, even when I have the same skills he does.  Sword and board warrior is a little OP, so two doesn't hurt.  Dog never gets to play past Lothering, except for the occasional walkies.  I try to get rid of Leliana the minute I can, and the same with Morrigan.  Leliana's constant judgemental passive aggressiveness and Morrigan's constant whining got old after about two plays.  Wynne is marginally better than Leliana for the judgy, preachy speech, but her occasional zingers make her more palatable.  It's funny that people usually call Alistair the whiny one, but he comes off more as the conscience of the group, capable of seeing both sides, where Leliana and Morrigan are just stereotypes of good and evil pandering, with no real thought behind it and no concept of the bigger picture.  I usually bump up Zev's lockpicking and then he replaces Leli.  I love Shale, but it depends on how many warriors I have in the party.  Ohgren is awesome in the party as well, but again, warrior overload.  Sten I take on occasion, but with the glut of warrior NPCs, he falls by the wayside.

In terms of abilities, I usually need a healer more than a mage DPSer.  I find that mage dps needs too much babysitting as they are inevitably either setting my people on fire, or freezing them at very bad times.  I noticed Zev was taking way too much damage at first, but in later levels he held his own alright.  Wynne had to be tweaked seriously to stop going out of magic every 2 seconds, but one I got a build down that I liked, I rarely had to worry about HP again (outside of things like the high dragon fight where I had to pretty much manually control Wynne to survive).  I had the same problem someone else mentioned with Leli that even with ranged/archer tactics, she inevitably meleed.  Later playthroughs did not have that glitch, but even so, meh.  I suspect her buffs might be more critical if you play harder modes, but on normal mode, she was nice but not vital.  Sten and Ohgren I could take or leave.  Shale's damage leaves them both in the dust, in my experience.

So, short version? 
Always take some combination of: Alistair, Wynne, Shale, Ohgren, Zev.
Never take (or ditch ASAP):  Morrigan, Leliana, Sten, Dog

Modifié par Hezulkai, 23 décembre 2009 - 06:12 .

[Gaidren]

The default stats for Oghren are bad, since he has too many semi-useless points put into Wil and Con. He's amazing though if you have Respec Mod, since he gets +10% spell resistance for free!



If you are playing without respecs, Sten. I actually like Sten as an early game tank if you aren't going to respec anybody. Indomitable >> anything sword/shield has until you get later in the game with a high Dex score, a good shield, and Shield Wall/Shield Expertise for knockdown resist.

[Leyt22]

Sten and I have a rocky relationship. When you first get him, he's pretty much a prejudiced dick. But if you can gain some favor with him and get some respect, he becomes more likable. But I've only used him to defend the gates in the final battle. I similarly have never enjoyed using Oghren or Zevran. Neither of them serve a purpose that cannot be filled superiorly by someone else.

[sillymonkboy]

Sten is awesome once you get some favor with him. Dog is easily my favorite and montrously powerful once you figure him out. Zevran is annoying because he has to be micro-managed to be effective. Leliana is excellent if you slap in an archery mod and set her tactics to ranged. Between her and dog, enemy mages usually die in the first 5 seconds of any fight. Alister is useless and Shale feels too overpowered to use. Morrigan and Wynne are pretty much the same once you get their talents and tactics straightened out and I really only keep one of them around for weapon buff + heal/bubble if the Warden gets grabbed by a dragon. Oghren is funny, but by the time I get him I'm usually happy with my current set up.

[Tula Tsunami]

ShinDice wrote...
Just by curiosity, who is or are the most(s) useless team mate(s) ?
For now, I found Sten very useless for me, I mean people used him as a tank (I hope So), but now there is Shale

**No Judging Please, I`m asking this for fun **
-=ShinDice=-

Now after reading about 9 pages on this, I am still going to go back and say "us" as PC's.

From the readings I picked up all of the NPC's can be "usefull" and not total "useless".
Some of the ones I thought the least usefull, some folks showed me how the make them better.
So thanks have to go out to -=ShinDice=- for the original post.

Going back to get my dog "K9" built up.

So now Sten is just the least usefull.....muhuah. 

[Kesshi]

Built4thekill wrote...

Sten, Ogren, Zevran, Dog and Shale in that order. The first three I've hardly ever used. Leilana is useless in battle but I use her to open locks, finding traps and stealing. Wynne keeps me alive but sometimes I ditch her for Alistair but Morrigan is priceless.

I found it interesting that you chose Zevran on your list.   I made my last Zevran into a tank with a Bard specilization.  He was amazing!  He had over 120 defense and avoided over 50% (estimated) attacks due to a number of avoidance abilities.  Add to that his ability to buff the party with melee damage and I don't know how you could find any Rogue useless.

Perhaps it was just that I fell in love with the Bard specilization last game.  After running around with two Bards for an entire game, I don't know how anyone could not love Bards.

[NiNakaWarrior]

I would say Lelianna and Zevran, but I'm pretty sure it's just a matter of how you play the game and what techniques and skills you unlock for them.

To me, Sten has been very useful since I like to combine Cone of Cold with Mighty Blow. And since I killed Wynne, Morrigan was the only mage I could use. After I found out how useful having a mage in your party is, the only time I didn't bring her along was when I was going to kill Flemeth.



By the way, someone posted that the conversations between Morrigan and Sten were funny: I totally agree!!

[FieryDove]

I think they are all useful if outfitted properly. However in later levels I find Dog, Shale and Ogren dead mostly. Everyone else seems to be able to stay alive mage present or no. (I usually run without mages)

[fantasypisces]

sinosleep wrote...

All this hate for Sten while loving Oghren is ridiculous. On my latest playthrough I went ahead and picked him up at level 12 after having Sten around since jump to see what all the fuss was about. I gave him all the stuff Sten had been wearing and saw that he was doing 12 less damage on the tooltip than Sten who had 20 more strength then him. To make things worse the stat that Oghren gets as bonus to is CON, a stat that a 2hander doesn't need. Even with beserk active, he still lagged 2 points behind Sten in the damage department and considering that beserk is only active during fights and has a cool down it's not always going to be up. So Sten, without beserk does better damage than Oghren any way, he gets 5 point boost to strength from being friendly, he's available at lothering, and you mean to tell me people preffer Oghren? Fact is, you don't need that 2nd specialization when going 2 hander any way. Most people choose champion for warcry but if you're maxing the 2 hander tree (which you should) you get practically the same effect with sweep any way. And now that I'm lvl 16 Sten has beserk any way, so Oghren would REALLY be lagging behind in the damage department. All this hate for Sten is just nonsense.

That's because you got Oghren later and had less control over his leveling.
But say in a perfectly equal world (i.e. respec mod), Sten would still be worse.
His dialogue and personality are aweful, and he only gets on specialization.
Ergo, Oghren is better, and Sten is useless.

[The Capital Gaultier]

I don't understand why Sten only gets 1 specialization.  Since there's so many warriors, it's pretty obvious he's the "most useless" party member.

[sinosleep]

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

I don't understand why Sten only gets 1 specialization.  Since there's so many warriors, it's pretty obvious he's the "most useless" party member.

20 point strength advantage over Oghren that he simply CAN NOT make up. That's a substantial damage boost as I posted earlier, when I picked Oghren up at level 12 Sten without beserk active did more damage than Oghren with it on. And that's an ability that because of cooldown isn't even active in 100% of battles.

Frankly, the 2nd specialization is kind of pointless. Warriors have so many good talents at their disposal that I rarely max both specializations any way. On my latest playthrough Sten didn't max out the besker tree until the game was practically over, my PC rogue archer didn't touch her 2nd specialization at all in 22 levels Alistair maxed champion but not templar, etc, etc etc. The lack of a specialization means squat in regards to Sten's value. He does more damage than Oghren ever can, FACT. And considering damage is what you get a 2hander for in the first place, that makes him a more valuable team mate. You get him earlier, he does more damage, and his friendship bonus stat is one that actually matters. He gets +5 to strength, whereas Oghren gets +5 to con, a useless stat for a 2hander.

fantasypisces wrote..

That's because you got Oghren later and had less control over his leveling.
But say in a perfectly equal world (i.e. respec mod), Sten would still be worse.
His dialogue and personality are aweful, and he only gets on specialization.
Ergo, Oghren is better, and Sten is useless.

I don't and never will use respec mod, so all arguments I make are based on the vanilla game, which is as it should be IMO since I'd wager the vast majority of players aren't using any mods at all. Everything else posted is opinion, and one I disagree with. His dialogue with Morrigan and Leliana are quite funny, and once you get him to open up to you he fills you in on tons of Qunari culture.

Modifié par sinosleep, 27 décembre 2009 - 09:34 .

[The Capital Gaultier]

sinosleep wrote...

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

I don't understand why Sten only gets 1 specialization.  Since there's so many warriors, it's pretty obvious he's the "most useless" party member.

20 point strength advantage over Oghren that he simply CAN NOT make up. That's a substantial damage boost as I posted earlier, when I picked Oghren up at level 12 Sten without beserk active did more damage than Oghren with it on. And that's an ability that because of cooldown isn't even active in 100% of battles.

Frankly, the 2nd specialization is kind of pointless. Warriors have so many good talents at their disposal that I rarely max both specializations any way. On my latest playthrough Sten didn't max out the besker tree until the game was practically over, my PC rogue archer didn't touch her 2nd specialization at all in 22 levels Alistair maxed champion but not templar, etc, etc etc. The lack of a specialization means squat in regards to Sten's value. He does more damage than Oghren ever can, FACT. And considering damage is what you get a 2hander for in the first place, that makes him a more valuable team mate. You get him earlier, he does more damage, and his friendship bonus stat is one that actually matters. He gets +5 to strength, whereas Oghren gets +5 to con, a useless stat for a 2hander.

Agreed about CON, but I really doubt the Strength advantage is that high.  For a 2H Warrior, Willpower is also valuable, and may have been the tradeoff made.

[Alendor512]

I actually use:



Mage > Morrigan, Sten & Shale

Warrior > Wynne, Morrigan & Shale

Rogue > Wynne, Morrigan & Alistair

[gx99-nq9y]

my setup

Warrior (my self)

Morrigan (allways number 1 in my party with healing abilitys)

Leilana (as archer)

Alister (some times i switch with the red dwarf)

[JaegerBane]

I don't get why people are having trouble using Sten properly. It's not exactly rocket science, as he doesn't really do much beyond smack things with a huge sword.

[sinosleep]

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

Agreed about CON, but I really doubt the Strength advantage is that high.  For a 2H Warrior, Willpower is also valuable, and may have been the tradeoff made.

Do you need a screen shot? When I picked him up at level 12 Sten had a 20 point str advantage. The reason is a combination of Sten's default str advantage, the fact I had already attained the +5 from friendship at that point, and the fact that I had been pumping nothing but strength since I picked Sten up at lvl 6 whereas the computer was pumping con and will for Oghren.

And I disagree about needing will. 2 handers can get loads and loads of stamina through items before you're halfway through the game. Wades superior heavy armor, executioner's helm,  and chasind maul are all available early and all provide massive amounts of stamina. And that's not a min/max endgame thing, you can get all of these things fairly early on.

Modifié par sinosleep, 27 décembre 2009 - 05:10 .

[vonFurious]

Junkers, my Marabi Mutt is totally useless. I can't stand his incessant barking in camp; way to spoil the MOOD between me and Morrigan, and Zeveran, and Leli, et. al.. (Equal Opportunity Dwarven- Sex -Machine here).

And Shale's thundering footsteps bother me too. "It" needs to tiptoe through the tulips!

Modifié par vonFurious, 27 décembre 2009 - 05:43 .

[Alendor512]

My sister loves the dog. Its actually quite funny, my sister who is 11 actually plays this game. And she always picks Alistair as a romance choice. She hasa Human Female Noble and she always has Dog and Alistair in her party along with Zevran because hes '' cute ''. He never gets Sten in becouse hes too grumpy to her. Never Oghren cause he is a drunkard, never Wynne cause she is too old. Never Morrigan cause shes a ****. Never Shale cause hes not human and never Leli becouse she thinks she will steal Alistair away from her. >< And when she gets bored. She gets Morrigan in her party along with Alistair and keeps kissing Alistair to get Morrigan mad. ><

[sunflwrz459]

Dog has to be the most useless. Sten can be a little on the gruff side. He just takes some talking to. For my part... I think Sten should be a love interest. Even if he is, what.. 3 or 4 hundred years old? Maybe he wouldn't be so grumpy then. .

[sinosleep]

To all those that thing Dog is useless, get overwhelm, fight an orange mob, get back to me. Dog can overwhelm every orange humanoid mob in the game. Zathrian? Check. Jarvia? Check. Ser Cauthrien? Check. Braka? Yup, her too. Every, last, humanoid, orange mob in the game, turned into a cake walk due to the dog. He overwhelms, everyone else gang tackles the target while your dog is mauling their face off and most things die off before the overwhelm is even over. I took out Zathrian in all of 10 seconds.Overwhelm is also an instagib ability on mages and arches, no gang tackling necessary.

Modifié par sinosleep, 27 décembre 2009 - 09:19 .

[BlackFriar]

ShinDice wrote...

Just by curiosity, who is or are the most(s) useless team mate(s) ?

For now, I found Sten very useless for me, I mean people used him as a tank (I hope So), but now there is Shale

Ah.  Sten is DPS, not Tank.    What I'm finding to be a bit "useless" is anyone who is in my role.  So, if I'm a rogue, I find the rogues to be useless.   If I'm tanking, Alister...   If I'm DPSing as a warrior, it's Sten...   And so on...

[BlackFriar]

sunflwrz459 wrote...

Dog has to be the most useless. Sten can be a little on the gruff side. He just takes some talking to. For my part... I think Sten should be a love interest. Even if he is, what.. 3 or 4 hundred years old? Maybe he wouldn't be so grumpy then. .

Dog is great.  Huge dps, excellent at suppressing mages and archers because he gets there so fast and is outstanding at interrupting them...   If it wasn't for other party considerations I'd have him all the time.

[BlackFriar]

Alendor512 wrote...

My sister loves the dog. Its actually quite funny, my sister who is 11 actually plays this game. And she always picks Alistair as a romance choice. She hasa Human Female Noble and she always has Dog and Alistair in her party along with Zevran because hes '' cute ''. He never gets Sten in becouse hes too grumpy to her. Never Oghren cause he is a drunkard, never Wynne cause she is too old. Never Morrigan cause shes a ****. Never Shale cause hes not human and never Leli becouse she thinks she will steal Alistair away from her. ><

I like your sister.   She understands CRPGs...