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[GreyVsGray]

Okay. I understand that the man puts the corralment of mages above all else. Not the most important of things in the DA universe, but an important thing nonetheless. I understand his revolutionary attitude(The idea to force change is dangerous but, throughout history, has proven effective. I won't get into how he's a bit of a self-centered ****** or how every mage must think his way or suffer scathing insults of being an obedient slave(Circle Bethany gets that, haha) because that's not my focus. I won't talk about how I think he's too harsh on Merrill about her BM use(I personally agree with her about the power. With discipline, she'd be much more effective and less dangerous to others) and should have been more understanding instead of confronting her like a Templar(Oh irony). That isn't what this is about.

My question is this: Why did Anders choose to blow up the Chantry instead of the Templar Barracks? He had ample access to the both and, even more, could've secured Kirkwall with much less of a fight and would've had a MUCH higher impact on Thedas. He could've planted the bomb while with Hawke on the NUMEROUS occasions he or she went there throughout the 3rd Act! Don't give me that "He didn't want to involve Hawke" drivel, he did so by making him play fetch in his last personal quest! 

It just strikes me as INSANE that a man ranting and raving about the big, bad templars of Kirkwall would, when given the choice, attacks and destroys the harmless priests and pilgrims in the church instead. We can't blame it on Vengeance because he'd have blown up the Templars in Act 1 if he could've. 

I only see 3 explanations:
1: Anders is so obsessed with becoming a martyr that he'd kill the priests, blow up the Chantry, and wait for them to kill him 
2: He's just an idiot(I like this option)
3: Bad plot writing(Least likely since everything else in his plot makesat least relative sense)

Can anyone explain why the guy just.. Brain farted at the end? I'd have a much harder time killing him if he wasn't stupid like he is. Add his downplaying everyone elses problems to make his self-made burden larger to this and.. Just ugh.

Modifié par DKC, 24 juin 2012 - 10:00 .

[LolaLei]

DKC wrote...

Okay. I understand that the man puts the corralment of mages above all else. Not the most important of things in the DA universe, but an important thing nonetheless. I understand his revolutionary attitude(The idea to force change is dangerous but, throughout history, has proven effective. I won't get into how he's a bit of a self-centered ****** or how every mage must think his way or suffer scathing insults of being an obedient slave(Circle Bethany gets that, haha) because that's not my focus. I won't talk about how I think he's too harsh on Merrill about her BM use(I personally agree with her about the power. With discipline, she'd be much more effective and less dangerous to others) and should have been more understanding instead of confronting her like a Templar(Oh irony). That isn't what this is about.

My question is this: Why did Anders choose to blow up the Chantry instead of the Templar Barracks? He had ample access to the both and, even more, could've secured Kirkwall with much less of a fight and would've had a MUCH higher impact on Thedas. He could've planted the bomb while with Hawke on the NUMEROUS occasions he or she went there throughout the 3rd Act! Don't give me that "He didn't want to involve Hawke" drivel, he did so by making him play fetch in his last personal quest! 

It just strikes me as INSANE that a man ranting and raving about the big, bad templars of Kirkwall would, when given the choice, attacks and destroys the harmless priests and pilgrims in the church instead. We can't blame it on Vengeance because he'd have blown up the Templars in Act 1 if he could've. 

I only see 3 explanations:
1: Anders is so obsessed with becoming a martyr that he'd kill the priests, blow up the Chantry, and wait for them to kill him 
2: He's just an idiot(I like this option)
3: Bad plot writing(Least likely since everything else in his plot makesat least relative sense)

Can anyone explain why the guy just.. Brain farted at the end? I'd have a much harder time killing him if he wasn't stupid like he is. Add his downplaying everyone elses problems to make his self-made burden larger to this and.. Just ugh.

I wondered the same thing lol. But I think maybe he was trying to make a "statement" by blowing up the Chantry since they're at the heart of the Mages being opressed because the Templars follow the Chantry's orders 'n' all that jazz. Plus, if he blew up the Gallows, where would we have had our boss battle? LOL!

Modifié par LolaLei, 24 juin 2012 - 10:36 .

[GreyVsGray]

LolaLei wrote...

DKC wrote...

Okay. I understand that the man puts the corralment of mages above all else. Not the most important of things in the DA universe, but an important thing nonetheless. I understand his revolutionary attitude(The idea to force change is dangerous but, throughout history, has proven effective. I won't get into how he's a bit of a self-centered ****** or how every mage must think his way or suffer scathing insults of being an obedient slave(Circle Bethany gets that, haha) because that's not my focus. I won't talk about how I think he's too harsh on Merrill about her BM use(I personally agree with her about the power. With discipline, she'd be much more effective and less dangerous to others) and should have been more understanding instead of confronting her like a Templar(Oh irony). That isn't what this is about.

My question is this: Why did Anders choose to blow up the Chantry instead of the Templar Barracks? He had ample access to the both and, even more, could've secured Kirkwall with much less of a fight and would've had a MUCH higher impact on Thedas. He could've planted the bomb while with Hawke on the NUMEROUS occasions he or she went there throughout the 3rd Act! Don't give me that "He didn't want to involve Hawke" drivel, he did so by making him play fetch in his last personal quest! 

It just strikes me as INSANE that a man ranting and raving about the big, bad templars of Kirkwall would, when given the choice, attacks and destroys the harmless priests and pilgrims in the church instead. We can't blame it on Vengeance because he'd have blown up the Templars in Act 1 if he could've. 

I only see 3 explanations:
1: Anders is so obsessed with becoming a martyr that he'd kill the priests, blow up the Chantry, and wait for them to kill him 
2: He's just an idiot(I like this option)
3: Bad plot writing(Least likely since everything else in his plot makesat least relative sense)

Can anyone explain why the guy just.. Brain farted at the end? I'd have a much harder time killing him if he wasn't stupid like he is. Add his downplaying everyone elses problems to make his self-made burden larger to this and.. Just ugh.

I wondered the same thing lol. But I think maybe he was trying to make a "statement" by blowing up the Chantry since they are at the heart of the Mages being opressed because the Templars follow the Chantry's orders 'n' all that jazz. Plus, if he blew up the Gallows, where would we have had our boss battle? LOL!

Well, that makes sense but that still makes him seem like an absolute fool. If he thinks that the statement is more important than actually doing what's tactically smart then he really needs to be killed before he tries rallying other mages with Rhys and the others in Asunder. XD. It'd be epic to have the showdown in the Chantry! Or in the burning halls of the Gallows! Think about it XD.

[LolaLei]

DKC wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

DKC wrote...

Okay. I understand that the man puts the corralment of mages above all else. Not the most important of things in the DA universe, but an important thing nonetheless. I understand his revolutionary attitude(The idea to force change is dangerous but, throughout history, has proven effective. I won't get into how he's a bit of a self-centered ****** or how every mage must think his way or suffer scathing insults of being an obedient slave(Circle Bethany gets that, haha) because that's not my focus. I won't talk about how I think he's too harsh on Merrill about her BM use(I personally agree with her about the power. With discipline, she'd be much more effective and less dangerous to others) and should have been more understanding instead of confronting her like a Templar(Oh irony). That isn't what this is about.

My question is this: Why did Anders choose to blow up the Chantry instead of the Templar Barracks? He had ample access to the both and, even more, could've secured Kirkwall with much less of a fight and would've had a MUCH higher impact on Thedas. He could've planted the bomb while with Hawke on the NUMEROUS occasions he or she went there throughout the 3rd Act! Don't give me that "He didn't want to involve Hawke" drivel, he did so by making him play fetch in his last personal quest! 

It just strikes me as INSANE that a man ranting and raving about the big, bad templars of Kirkwall would, when given the choice, attacks and destroys the harmless priests and pilgrims in the church instead. We can't blame it on Vengeance because he'd have blown up the Templars in Act 1 if he could've. 

I only see 3 explanations:
1: Anders is so obsessed with becoming a martyr that he'd kill the priests, blow up the Chantry, and wait for them to kill him 
2: He's just an idiot(I like this option)
3: Bad plot writing(Least likely since everything else in his plot makesat least relative sense)

Can anyone explain why the guy just.. Brain farted at the end? I'd have a much harder time killing him if he wasn't stupid like he is. Add his downplaying everyone elses problems to make his self-made burden larger to this and.. Just ugh.

I wondered the same thing lol. But I think maybe he was trying to make a "statement" by blowing up the Chantry since they are at the heart of the Mages being opressed because the Templars follow the Chantry's orders 'n' all that jazz. Plus, if he blew up the Gallows, where would we have had our boss battle? LOL!

Well, that makes sense but that still makes him seem like an absolute fool. If he thinks that the statement is more important than actually doing what's tactically smart then he really needs to be killed before he tries rallying other mages with Rhys and the others in Asunder. XD. It'd be epic to have the showdown in the Chantry! Or in the burning halls of the Gallows! Think about it XD.

If I was him, I would have just blown up everything. Kirkwall sucks anyway LOL. A boss fight in the Chantry as it began to burn down and crumble would have been fun. I take it you murder knifed Anders then?

I think my only concern with him possibly blowing up the Gallows is that Cullen would have got blown up too... then again, maybe that's why it wasn't blown up, because they want one of the Templar characters as a companion in DA3 or something?

[GreyVsGray]

LolaLei wrote...

DKC wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

DKC wrote...

Okay. I understand that the man puts the corralment of mages above all else. Not the most important of things in the DA universe, but an important thing nonetheless. I understand his revolutionary attitude(The idea to force change is dangerous but, throughout history, has proven effective. I won't get into how he's a bit of a self-centered ****** or how every mage must think his way or suffer scathing insults of being an obedient slave(Circle Bethany gets that, haha) because that's not my focus. I won't talk about how I think he's too harsh on Merrill about her BM use(I personally agree with her about the power. With discipline, she'd be much more effective and less dangerous to others) and should have been more understanding instead of confronting her like a Templar(Oh irony). That isn't what this is about.

My question is this: Why did Anders choose to blow up the Chantry instead of the Templar Barracks? He had ample access to the both and, even more, could've secured Kirkwall with much less of a fight and would've had a MUCH higher impact on Thedas. He could've planted the bomb while with Hawke on the NUMEROUS occasions he or she went there throughout the 3rd Act! Don't give me that "He didn't want to involve Hawke" drivel, he did so by making him play fetch in his last personal quest! 

It just strikes me as INSANE that a man ranting and raving about the big, bad templars of Kirkwall would, when given the choice, attacks and destroys the harmless priests and pilgrims in the church instead. We can't blame it on Vengeance because he'd have blown up the Templars in Act 1 if he could've. 

I only see 3 explanations:
1: Anders is so obsessed with becoming a martyr that he'd kill the priests, blow up the Chantry, and wait for them to kill him 
2: He's just an idiot(I like this option)
3: Bad plot writing(Least likely since everything else in his plot makesat least relative sense)

Can anyone explain why the guy just.. Brain farted at the end? I'd have a much harder time killing him if he wasn't stupid like he is. Add his downplaying everyone elses problems to make his self-made burden larger to this and.. Just ugh.

I wondered the same thing lol. But I think maybe he was trying to make a "statement" by blowing up the Chantry since they are at the heart of the Mages being opressed because the Templars follow the Chantry's orders 'n' all that jazz. Plus, if he blew up the Gallows, where would we have had our boss battle? LOL!

Well, that makes sense but that still makes him seem like an absolute fool. If he thinks that the statement is more important than actually doing what's tactically smart then he really needs to be killed before he tries rallying other mages with Rhys and the others in Asunder. XD. It'd be epic to have the showdown in the Chantry! Or in the burning halls of the Gallows! Think about it XD.

If I was him, I would have just blown up everything. Kirkwall sucks anyway LOL. A boss fight in the Chantry as it began to burn down and crumble would have been fun. I take it you murder knifed Anders then?

I think my only concern with him possibly blowing up the Gallows is that Cullen would have got blown up too... then again, maybe that's why it wasn't blown up, because they want one of the Templar characters as a companion in DA3 or something?

Proudly murdered him for the lives he took and for my man Sebastian(Why does he have to be so ****ing chaste?). Kirkwall is my favorite place in Thedas BECAUSE it sucks. It's crappy and struggling to combat all the stuff it endures. Unlike other places, there's a good reason why the people there are crazy. Well, they could've simply had Meredith bring Cullen and Carver(if he's with the Templars) with her. It'd make sense to bring your lieutenant and your best Templar with you to accuse the most influential mage in Kirkwall of corruption, right?

I didn't really like Cullen that much. He was pretty racist(Against mages and Qunari). He was just a bit calmer about it.

Modifié par DKC, 24 juin 2012 - 11:09 .

[LolaLei]

DKC wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

DKC wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

DKC wrote...

Okay. I understand that the man puts the corralment of mages above all else. Not the most important of things in the DA universe, but an important thing nonetheless. I understand his revolutionary attitude(The idea to force change is dangerous but, throughout history, has proven effective. I won't get into how he's a bit of a self-centered ****** or how every mage must think his way or suffer scathing insults of being an obedient slave(Circle Bethany gets that, haha) because that's not my focus. I won't talk about how I think he's too harsh on Merrill about her BM use(I personally agree with her about the power. With discipline, she'd be much more effective and less dangerous to others) and should have been more understanding instead of confronting her like a Templar(Oh irony). That isn't what this is about.

My question is this: Why did Anders choose to blow up the Chantry instead of the Templar Barracks? He had ample access to the both and, even more, could've secured Kirkwall with much less of a fight and would've had a MUCH higher impact on Thedas. He could've planted the bomb while with Hawke on the NUMEROUS occasions he or she went there throughout the 3rd Act! Don't give me that "He didn't want to involve Hawke" drivel, he did so by making him play fetch in his last personal quest! 

It just strikes me as INSANE that a man ranting and raving about the big, bad templars of Kirkwall would, when given the choice, attacks and destroys the harmless priests and pilgrims in the church instead. We can't blame it on Vengeance because he'd have blown up the Templars in Act 1 if he could've. 

I only see 3 explanations:
1: Anders is so obsessed with becoming a martyr that he'd kill the priests, blow up the Chantry, and wait for them to kill him 
2: He's just an idiot(I like this option)
3: Bad plot writing(Least likely since everything else in his plot makesat least relative sense)

Can anyone explain why the guy just.. Brain farted at the end? I'd have a much harder time killing him if he wasn't stupid like he is. Add his downplaying everyone elses problems to make his self-made burden larger to this and.. Just ugh.

I wondered the same thing lol. But I think maybe he was trying to make a "statement" by blowing up the Chantry since they are at the heart of the Mages being opressed because the Templars follow the Chantry's orders 'n' all that jazz. Plus, if he blew up the Gallows, where would we have had our boss battle? LOL!

Well, that makes sense but that still makes him seem like an absolute fool. If he thinks that the statement is more important than actually doing what's tactically smart then he really needs to be killed before he tries rallying other mages with Rhys and the others in Asunder. XD. It'd be epic to have the showdown in the Chantry! Or in the burning halls of the Gallows! Think about it XD.

If I was him, I would have just blown up everything. Kirkwall sucks anyway LOL. A boss fight in the Chantry as it began to burn down and crumble would have been fun. I take it you murder knifed Anders then?

I think my only concern with him possibly blowing up the Gallows is that Cullen would have got blown up too... then again, maybe that's why it wasn't blown up, because they want one of the Templar characters as a companion in DA3 or something?

Proudly murdered him for the lives he took and for my man Sebastian(Why does he have to be so ****ing chaste?). Kirkwall is my favorite place in Thedas BECAUSE it sucks. It's crappy and struggling to combat all the stuff it endures. Unlike other places, there's a good reason why the people there are crazy. Well, they could've simply had Meredith bring Cullen and Carver(if he's with the Templars) with her. It'd make sense to bring your lieutenant and your best Templar with you to accuse the most influential mage in Kirkwall of corruption, right?

I didn't really like Cullen that much. He was pretty racist(Against mages and Qunari). He was just a bit calmer about it.

Ah, but if Anders had done it properly he would have blown the Gallows up without anyone realising what was going on lol. I miss the old Anders from DA:A, sure he was a womaniser, but at least he had a sense of humour back then. Yeah Cullen is a bit full on to start off with but I put it down to him still suffering PTS after his torture in DA:O, since it was only a few month after the event that he was sent to Kirkwall.

I have a question. If you rivalmance Seb and make him become a prince again, instead of a Chantry brother, does Hawke actually get laid once you marry him? 'Cause, he's gonna need an heir sooner or later lol. I know Bethany mentions something about Hawke marrying Seb during the Legacy dlc and Hawke jokes that she'd basically shag him right there and then and he's all like "Hawke, tone it down a bit" or something like that.

[GreyVsGray]

LolaLei wrote...

DKC wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

DKC wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

DKC wrote...

Okay. I understand that the man puts the corralment of mages above all else. Not the most important of things in the DA universe, but an important thing nonetheless. I understand his revolutionary attitude(The idea to force change is dangerous but, throughout history, has proven effective. I won't get into how he's a bit of a self-centered ****** or how every mage must think his way or suffer scathing insults of being an obedient slave(Circle Bethany gets that, haha) because that's not my focus. I won't talk about how I think he's too harsh on Merrill about her BM use(I personally agree with her about the power. With discipline, she'd be much more effective and less dangerous to others) and should have been more understanding instead of confronting her like a Templar(Oh irony). That isn't what this is about.

My question is this: Why did Anders choose to blow up the Chantry instead of the Templar Barracks? He had ample access to the both and, even more, could've secured Kirkwall with much less of a fight and would've had a MUCH higher impact on Thedas. He could've planted the bomb while with Hawke on the NUMEROUS occasions he or she went there throughout the 3rd Act! Don't give me that "He didn't want to involve Hawke" drivel, he did so by making him play fetch in his last personal quest! 

It just strikes me as INSANE that a man ranting and raving about the big, bad templars of Kirkwall would, when given the choice, attacks and destroys the harmless priests and pilgrims in the church instead. We can't blame it on Vengeance because he'd have blown up the Templars in Act 1 if he could've. 

I only see 3 explanations:
1: Anders is so obsessed with becoming a martyr that he'd kill the priests, blow up the Chantry, and wait for them to kill him 
2: He's just an idiot(I like this option)
3: Bad plot writing(Least likely since everything else in his plot makesat least relative sense)

Can anyone explain why the guy just.. Brain farted at the end? I'd have a much harder time killing him if he wasn't stupid like he is. Add his downplaying everyone elses problems to make his self-made burden larger to this and.. Just ugh.

I wondered the same thing lol. But I think maybe he was trying to make a "statement" by blowing up the Chantry since they are at the heart of the Mages being opressed because the Templars follow the Chantry's orders 'n' all that jazz. Plus, if he blew up the Gallows, where would we have had our boss battle? LOL!

Well, that makes sense but that still makes him seem like an absolute fool. If he thinks that the statement is more important than actually doing what's tactically smart then he really needs to be killed before he tries rallying other mages with Rhys and the others in Asunder. XD. It'd be epic to have the showdown in the Chantry! Or in the burning halls of the Gallows! Think about it XD.

If I was him, I would have just blown up everything. Kirkwall sucks anyway LOL. A boss fight in the Chantry as it began to burn down and crumble would have been fun. I take it you murder knifed Anders then?

I think my only concern with him possibly blowing up the Gallows is that Cullen would have got blown up too... then again, maybe that's why it wasn't blown up, because they want one of the Templar characters as a companion in DA3 or something?

Proudly murdered him for the lives he took and for my man Sebastian(Why does he have to be so ****ing chaste?). Kirkwall is my favorite place in Thedas BECAUSE it sucks. It's crappy and struggling to combat all the stuff it endures. Unlike other places, there's a good reason why the people there are crazy. Well, they could've simply had Meredith bring Cullen and Carver(if he's with the Templars) with her. It'd make sense to bring your lieutenant and your best Templar with you to accuse the most influential mage in Kirkwall of corruption, right?

I didn't really like Cullen that much. He was pretty racist(Against mages and Qunari). He was just a bit calmer about it.

Ah, but if Anders had done it properly he would have blown the Gallows up without anyone realising what was going on lol. I miss the old Anders from DA:A, sure he was a womaniser, but at least he had a sense of humour back then. Yeah Cullen is a bit full on to start off with but I put it down to him still suffering PTS after his torture in DA:O, since it was only a few month after the event that he was sent to Kirkwall.

I have a question. If you rivalmance Seb and make him become a prince again, instead of a Chantry brother, does Hawke actually get laid once you marry him? 'Cause, he's gonna need an heir sooner or later lol. I know Bethany mentions something about Hawke marrying Seb during the Legacy dlc and Hawke jokes that she'd basically shag him right there and then and he's all like "Hawke, tone it down a bit" or something like that.

*Sigh*... Sadly not. Of all the things he'll break by leaving the Chantry to be Prince/King, his chastity, no matter how well joked about, is not one of them. Trust me. I've tried.... and tried... and tried... and *sniff* tried...

[LolaLei]

DKC wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

DKC wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

DKC wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

DKC wrote...

Okay. I understand that the man puts the corralment of mages above all else. Not the most important of things in the DA universe, but an important thing nonetheless. I understand his revolutionary attitude(The idea to force change is dangerous but, throughout history, has proven effective. I won't get into how he's a bit of a self-centered ****** or how every mage must think his way or suffer scathing insults of being an obedient slave(Circle Bethany gets that, haha) because that's not my focus. I won't talk about how I think he's too harsh on Merrill about her BM use(I personally agree with her about the power. With discipline, she'd be much more effective and less dangerous to others) and should have been more understanding instead of confronting her like a Templar(Oh irony). That isn't what this is about.

My question is this: Why did Anders choose to blow up the Chantry instead of the Templar Barracks? He had ample access to the both and, even more, could've secured Kirkwall with much less of a fight and would've had a MUCH higher impact on Thedas. He could've planted the bomb while with Hawke on the NUMEROUS occasions he or she went there throughout the 3rd Act! Don't give me that "He didn't want to involve Hawke" drivel, he did so by making him play fetch in his last personal quest! 

It just strikes me as INSANE that a man ranting and raving about the big, bad templars of Kirkwall would, when given the choice, attacks and destroys the harmless priests and pilgrims in the church instead. We can't blame it on Vengeance because he'd have blown up the Templars in Act 1 if he could've. 

I only see 3 explanations:
1: Anders is so obsessed with becoming a martyr that he'd kill the priests, blow up the Chantry, and wait for them to kill him 
2: He's just an idiot(I like this option)
3: Bad plot writing(Least likely since everything else in his plot makesat least relative sense)

Can anyone explain why the guy just.. Brain farted at the end? I'd have a much harder time killing him if he wasn't stupid like he is. Add his downplaying everyone elses problems to make his self-made burden larger to this and.. Just ugh.

I wondered the same thing lol. But I think maybe he was trying to make a "statement" by blowing up the Chantry since they are at the heart of the Mages being opressed because the Templars follow the Chantry's orders 'n' all that jazz. Plus, if he blew up the Gallows, where would we have had our boss battle? LOL!

Well, that makes sense but that still makes him seem like an absolute fool. If he thinks that the statement is more important than actually doing what's tactically smart then he really needs to be killed before he tries rallying other mages with Rhys and the others in Asunder. XD. It'd be epic to have the showdown in the Chantry! Or in the burning halls of the Gallows! Think about it XD.

If I was him, I would have just blown up everything. Kirkwall sucks anyway LOL. A boss fight in the Chantry as it began to burn down and crumble would have been fun. I take it you murder knifed Anders then?

I think my only concern with him possibly blowing up the Gallows is that Cullen would have got blown up too... then again, maybe that's why it wasn't blown up, because they want one of the Templar characters as a companion in DA3 or something?

Proudly murdered him for the lives he took and for my man Sebastian(Why does he have to be so ****ing chaste?). Kirkwall is my favorite place in Thedas BECAUSE it sucks. It's crappy and struggling to combat all the stuff it endures. Unlike other places, there's a good reason why the people there are crazy. Well, they could've simply had Meredith bring Cullen and Carver(if he's with the Templars) with her. It'd make sense to bring your lieutenant and your best Templar with you to accuse the most influential mage in Kirkwall of corruption, right?

I didn't really like Cullen that much. He was pretty racist(Against mages and Qunari). He was just a bit calmer about it.

Ah, but if Anders had done it properly he would have blown the Gallows up without anyone realising what was going on lol. I miss the old Anders from DA:A, sure he was a womaniser, but at least he had a sense of humour back then. Yeah Cullen is a bit full on to start off with but I put it down to him still suffering PTS after his torture in DA:O, since it was only a few month after the event that he was sent to Kirkwall.

I have a question. If you rivalmance Seb and make him become a prince again, instead of a Chantry brother, does Hawke actually get laid once you marry him? 'Cause, he's gonna need an heir sooner or later lol. I know Bethany mentions something about Hawke marrying Seb during the Legacy dlc and Hawke jokes that she'd basically shag him right there and then and he's all like "Hawke, tone it down a bit" or something like that.

*Sigh*... Sadly not. Of all the things he'll break by leaving the Chantry to be Prince/King, his chastity, no matter how well joked about, is not one of them. Trust me. I've tried.... and tried... and tried... and *sniff* tried...

Damn! He'd have to cave in eventually and put out!

[GreyVsGray]

LolaLei wrote...

DKC wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

DKC wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

DKC wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

DKC wrote...

Okay. I understand that the man puts the corralment of mages above all else. Not the most important of things in the DA universe, but an important thing nonetheless. I understand his revolutionary attitude(The idea to force change is dangerous but, throughout history, has proven effective. I won't get into how he's a bit of a self-centered ****** or how every mage must think his way or suffer scathing insults of being an obedient slave(Circle Bethany gets that, haha) because that's not my focus. I won't talk about how I think he's too harsh on Merrill about her BM use(I personally agree with her about the power. With discipline, she'd be much more effective and less dangerous to others) and should have been more understanding instead of confronting her like a Templar(Oh irony). That isn't what this is about.

My question is this: Why did Anders choose to blow up the Chantry instead of the Templar Barracks? He had ample access to the both and, even more, could've secured Kirkwall with much less of a fight and would've had a MUCH higher impact on Thedas. He could've planted the bomb while with Hawke on the NUMEROUS occasions he or she went there throughout the 3rd Act! Don't give me that "He didn't want to involve Hawke" drivel, he did so by making him play fetch in his last personal quest! 

It just strikes me as INSANE that a man ranting and raving about the big, bad templars of Kirkwall would, when given the choice, attacks and destroys the harmless priests and pilgrims in the church instead. We can't blame it on Vengeance because he'd have blown up the Templars in Act 1 if he could've. 

I only see 3 explanations:
1: Anders is so obsessed with becoming a martyr that he'd kill the priests, blow up the Chantry, and wait for them to kill him 
2: He's just an idiot(I like this option)
3: Bad plot writing(Least likely since everything else in his plot makesat least relative sense)

Can anyone explain why the guy just.. Brain farted at the end? I'd have a much harder time killing him if he wasn't stupid like he is. Add his downplaying everyone elses problems to make his self-made burden larger to this and.. Just ugh.

I wondered the same thing lol. But I think maybe he was trying to make a "statement" by blowing up the Chantry since they are at the heart of the Mages being opressed because the Templars follow the Chantry's orders 'n' all that jazz. Plus, if he blew up the Gallows, where would we have had our boss battle? LOL!

Well, that makes sense but that still makes him seem like an absolute fool. If he thinks that the statement is more important than actually doing what's tactically smart then he really needs to be killed before he tries rallying other mages with Rhys and the others in Asunder. XD. It'd be epic to have the showdown in the Chantry! Or in the burning halls of the Gallows! Think about it XD.

If I was him, I would have just blown up everything. Kirkwall sucks anyway LOL. A boss fight in the Chantry as it began to burn down and crumble would have been fun. I take it you murder knifed Anders then?

I think my only concern with him possibly blowing up the Gallows is that Cullen would have got blown up too... then again, maybe that's why it wasn't blown up, because they want one of the Templar characters as a companion in DA3 or something?

Proudly murdered him for the lives he took and for my man Sebastian(Why does he have to be so ****ing chaste?). Kirkwall is my favorite place in Thedas BECAUSE it sucks. It's crappy and struggling to combat all the stuff it endures. Unlike other places, there's a good reason why the people there are crazy. Well, they could've simply had Meredith bring Cullen and Carver(if he's with the Templars) with her. It'd make sense to bring your lieutenant and your best Templar with you to accuse the most influential mage in Kirkwall of corruption, right?

I didn't really like Cullen that much. He was pretty racist(Against mages and Qunari). He was just a bit calmer about it.

Ah, but if Anders had done it properly he would have blown the Gallows up without anyone realising what was going on lol. I miss the old Anders from DA:A, sure he was a womaniser, but at least he had a sense of humour back then. Yeah Cullen is a bit full on to start off with but I put it down to him still suffering PTS after his torture in DA:O, since it was only a few month after the event that he was sent to Kirkwall.

I have a question. If you rivalmance Seb and make him become a prince again, instead of a Chantry brother, does Hawke actually get laid once you marry him? 'Cause, he's gonna need an heir sooner or later lol. I know Bethany mentions something about Hawke marrying Seb during the Legacy dlc and Hawke jokes that she'd basically shag him right there and then and he's all like "Hawke, tone it down a bit" or something like that.

*Sigh*... Sadly not. Of all the things he'll break by leaving the Chantry to be Prince/King, his chastity, no matter how well joked about, is not one of them. Trust me. I've tried.... and tried... and tried... and *sniff* tried...

Damn! He'd have to cave in eventually and put out!

If he caves, I'm pretty sure it'll only be in fan fiction... Bleh.

[animefan]

Honestly, I would just go with the "he's bloody mental" option. I mean, he had a chance to take out the craziest templar, but instead he goes for the grandmother of the chantry instead.

Plus, idiot just makes sense in context of me letting him live to. I didn't keep you alive because I care about you. I did it so you can see what you've bloody done. No matyrdom for you!

[PizzaThe Hutt]

Just to answer the Seb thing first, certain religions that have people practicing chaste marriage grants their worshippers "Conjugal hours" where people are permitted to have sex(Primarily to reproduce but I'm sure what happens is entirely up to the couple), whether the Chantry allows this, No idea.  Now moving on >_>

I think Anders didn't need to blow up anything to make his point, I think him blowing up the Chantry was entirely selfish and homicidal.  While Elthina shouldn't have just sat on her arse and done nothing about the whole mage vs. templar thing, that didn't mean that Anders had to blow up the Chantry killing her, a few priestesses(who for all we know could have been innocent) and some templars not to mention some bystanders given the flying projectiles that explosion caused, had to have killed some other people...  Around the end Anders did seem like he wanted to die to further his point.  I partially blame poor writing for some of his character in da2 :\\...

Modifié par PizzaThe Hutt, 09 juillet 2012 - 01:28 .

[CuriousArtemis]

In Anders' mind, the templars are just a hand of the Divine. Anders' beef is with the Chantry, though not necessarily with the Andrastian (sp?) religion (I think he is a believer himself).

Plus blowing up the barracks would sort of be like an act of war, whereas blowing up the Chantry (killing the Grand Cleric) was an act of terrorism/revolution (depending on how you look at it).

[berelinde]

motomotogirl wrote...

In Anders' mind, the templars are just a hand of the Divine. Anders' beef is with the Chantry, though not necessarily with the Andrastian (sp?) religion (I think he is a believer himself).

Plus blowing up the barracks would sort of be like an act of war, whereas blowing up the Chantry (killing the Grand Cleric) was an act of terrorism/revolution (depending on how you look at it).

In actual fact, the Grand Cleric of Kirkwall is the direct superior of the Knight-Commander of the Kirkwall templars. Elthina appointed Meredith to the post and could have replaced her at any time.

By killing the Grand Cleric, Anders took out the Commander-in-Chief of the largest standing army in the Free Marches. Elthina chose not to exercise that power, but it was unambiguously hers. So it was an act of war.

Anders probably is a believer in the historical Andraste, even if he has grown cynical of the chantry's perversion of the Chant of Light. He is remarkably well educated about the Chant, as well as the sermons of the various Divines over the ages. He quotes them extensively in his manifesto and in the letters he wrote to the Grand Cleric pleading for change.

[CuriousArtemis]

^ Yeah, but I don't think Anders wants to be seen as a warmonger. I think he wants to be seen as a revolutionary.

[berelinde]

motomotogirl wrote...

^ Yeah, but I don't think Anders wants to be seen as a warmonger. I think he wants to be seen as a revolutionary.

I doubt he wants to be remembered as either, but at that point, he's well past the point where he can choose what names he gets called.

I wasn't posting with the intent of expressing an opinion. I know perfectly well that threads like this eventually devolve into hate-fests. I just wanted to post a fact or two regarding the templar chain of command.

[CuriousArtemis]

berelinde wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

^ Yeah, but I don't think Anders wants to be seen as a warmonger. I think he wants to be seen as a revolutionary.

I doubt he wants to be remembered as either, but at that point, he's well past the point where he can choose what names he gets called.

I wasn't posting with the intent of expressing an opinion. I know perfectly well that threads like this eventually devolve into hate-fests. I just wanted to post a fact or two regarding the templar chain of command.

Pffft oh girl, no worries; I never get involved in hate stuff online  Life is too short.  I like debating though.  Especially about my all-time favorite game and favorite characters!

So you thinking blowing up the Chantry instad of the barracks was a simple strategic decision?  For some reason, I just see Anders as too idealistic to make that kind of clear, cold-cut decision.  He would do what he thinks will make the biggest statement and have the greatest impact!  Now I admit Justice's influence could force him to simply be methodical about the whole thing because Justice is all about results and results only.

[PizzaThe Hutt]

I think it would have made more sense to blow up the chantry AND the templar barracks, don't most people consider the templars to be the chantry's sword? Woulldn't make the most sense to destroy both the soul and sword?

[GreyVsGray]

berelinde wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

^ Yeah, but I don't think Anders wants to be seen as a warmonger. I think he wants to be seen as a revolutionary.

I doubt he wants to be remembered as either, but at that point, he's well past the point where he can choose what names he gets called.

I wasn't posting with the intent of expressing an opinion. I know perfectly well that threads like this eventually devolve into hate-fests. I just wanted to post a fact or two regarding the templar chain of command.

If this thread turns into a hate-fest, it won't be due to my influence. I may hate Anders but I seriously wonder how the HELL he thought that killing the priests would help his agenda more than killing the blades protecting said priests.

[berelinde]

 Because the "priest" was the commander-in-chief of the largest standing army in the Free Marches. The Grand Cleric appoints the Knight-Commander of the templars and Meredith reported directly to her. It's difficult for many players to understand the political and military power the woman had because they think of humble and homey pastors who shelter orphans and take in lost puppies, but in Thedas, this couldn't be further from the truth. They wield tremendous temporal power. In Act 3, Elthina tells Meredith to go home like a good girl and Meredith does. She could have used that authority at any time to prevent the long-term abuse and slaughter, but she didn't. Friar Tuck, she wasn't. Affably evil, she may well have been. Yes, she was a very nice person... who condoned rape, torture, and murder by her refusal to stop it when it was well within her power to do so.

[Renmiri1]

I think terrorists go for impact. Anders wanted to eliminate any possibility of compromise or peace. Killing the Reverend Mother would do that. Killing Meredith might have gotten him thanks from 90% of Kirkwall

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Elthina was not the true power in Kirkwall. Meredith was. Elthina may have been supposedly Meredith's superior but her actual influence depended on Meredith's willingness to listen to her. In the beggining of ACt 3 she tries to resolve the conflict between Meredith and Orsino offscreen but one or both refuse to listen.

Renmiri1 wrote...

I think terrorists go for impact. Anders
wanted to eliminate any possibility of compromise or peace. Killing the
Reverend Mother would do that. Killing Meredith might have gotten him
thanks from 90% of Kirkwall

Exactly. He's a terrorist. He wanted to provote a bloody reaction by elliminating Kirkwall's beloved Grand Cleric. In fact, he didn't attack the Templars because he wanted them to try to destroy the mages in order to force the mages to fight for their lives. He needed them alive to kill mages and he needed a voice for peace to be dead. Innocent blood on both sides was nessecary for his plan to succeed. Anders tells you flat out that he'd pay any price to see mages free from the Circles. His plan wasn't just to attack, he needed to force everyone's hands.

He also considers the Chantry itself to be enemies of mages, so even though he would have killed Elthina regardless of who she was if it served his goal, he probably didn't miss her too much afterward either.

[Renmiri1]

Also planting a bomb on the Gallows would have been much harder. Meredith was no dummy and was always on alert. Whereas Elthina thought no one would dare hurt her so I am sure her security was lax.

[Gervaise]

The answer is given by Anders himself "I removed the possibility of compromise because there is no compromise."
Elthina was trying to keep the peace by placating both sides enough to stop full scale rebellion errupting. Orsino might have been willing to stand in the market place and complain but not actually spur the inmates of the Gallows into taking more direct action. Meredith had largely stopped taking Elthina's advice (confirmed by Sebastian to Averline) but was still being kept from tipping over the edge by her presence. The Divine was threatening an Exalted March to clamp down on the apostate mages in the city but Elthina was insisting on staying put in order to prevent it. Elthina refused to leave because she would not abandon the people of Kirkwall to a conflict between the templars and mages.

Anders was aware of all of these things and probably held the opinion that throughout the preceding 1,000 years mages had been persuaded to follow the status quo of the Circles because of the mediation of the Chantry and their popularity with the people. Blowing up the Chantry made a big political statement and at the same time ensured that everyone, including Hawke could no longer sit on the fence, because Meredith was guaranteed to order a massacre of mages, both inside and outside of the Circle. If he took out the Gallows as well, then the responsibility for the death of the mages within it would fall solely on him and not the ruthless templars since both parties would likely be caught up in the explosion. He was prepared to sacrifice the lives of the Circle mages but only if they were killed by templars.

That said, if it had been my decision I would have placed the bomb under Meredith's office but then my aims were to resolve the immediate local situation, whereas Anders' plans were far more grandiose.

[Xilizhra]

Elthina was trying to keep the peace by placating both sides enough to stop full scale rebellion errupting.

I have my doubts. Elthina appointed Meredith, and very deliberately never did much to rein her in. I suspect that Elthina wanted things to come to rebellion so that Meredith would have a reason to crush them; she just didn't anticipate Anders attacking in such a bold manner, seeming rather secure in her supposed untouchability.

[Renmiri1]

If you read Dragon Age: Asunder you see that Templars and Seekers are refusing to obey even the Divine. Let alone Elthina. I doubt Meredith would obey Elthina and Elthina knows it so she has been trying to avoid direct confrontation to avoid being refused outright. Meredith is out of her mind and even goes against Cullen so she would not listen to Elthina.