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[DeathWyrmNexus]

Jayce F wrote...

Colenda wrote...

If it was Ser Cauthrien up there, saving her beau, you'd almost certainly hear men grumbling just as loudly that they wanted to be the ones who got the final blow in.

I suppose the rejoinder to that would be that it isn't Sir Cauthrien up there saving her beau. It's Alistair. It's not that it doesn't make perfect sense (well, to me) in terms of both story and character that Alistair should be two steps ahead and make the killing blow; thing is, a wannabe feminist acadamic would probably say something about traditional prejudices dictating the narrative outcomes.

True but then one could apply a seemingly feminist ideal to Morrigan's decision to dump male characters in favour of whatever it is she and Flemeth planned all along. You can argue gender stereotyping about many many things. That doesn't mean it is gender stereotyping.

It does make you wonder about the plan since with Flemeth dead, a big part of the original plan has a high possibility of being amended. But that is more of a tangent than even my flame baiting above so I'll desist and perhaps we can address this in another thread, if at all.

[Recidiva]

tmp7704 wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

but would this mod affect the ending though?

There may be a small variation in one of the opening lines if Alistair is the one who delivers the eulogy (depending if the game takes care to switch state from "alistair in love" to "alistair still in love" when the player dies) but other than that it fit quite seamless at a glance.

Oh.  My.  God.

I love you.

Seriously.  The cookies option is open, just send me your address and cookie choice.

That offer is also open to Mr. Gaider for the two-step closure. (offer also includes a no-stalker clause)

Happy closure cookies.

Just reloaded my elf who replayed that ending about 40 times to work through every ending option (I have a chart!)

That was awesome.  She is now at happy rest.

This is a good day.

[DeathWyrmNexus]

bobsmyuncle wrote...

I get you're frustrated. Personally I wondered why my mage was standing there picking her nose instead of casting force field on him like she'd been doing earlier. But I think it was just an executive decision on the writer's part re: what their character would do. Not because of gender, necessarily, but because he's a romantic idiot. He'd probably been plotting it since Riordan brought it up, honestly, and he just beat you to it (call it writer's fiat).

I don't think sexism has anything to do with the decision on the part of Mr. Gaider and I don't feel it's productive to level such accusations without evidence, because I haven't seen sexist attitudes from the writing team in this case. Look at the setting: there's anachronistic gender equality in a time when in the real world people thought women went crazy because of the uterus traveling about inside her body. I don't think evidence supports the assertion that Mr. Gaider et al think the little ladies need protectin'.

PS to Kerridan: David does it for the fangirls.

I hate to say, they were actually in a stage before the wandering uterus theory because wasn't that Freud? If not, ignore this part of the statement.

You do make a wonderful point though, one that I am afraid we are probably a few years from seeing. In game leveling choices have more impact. Right now, the game basically lets Coercion and story choices rule the way the story flows but... You are correct. Forcefield could have made him a helpless observer to watching his beloved die. Not a fate I wish on many but I can understand wanting to take the blow for yourself thus his horror is needed for you to spare him.

You also did me a favor by pointing out the gender roles in the game. Even Zevran claims to be a gentleman so one does need to consider cultural norms in that society.

[robertthebard]

DeathWyrmNexus wrote...

Recidiva wrote...

DeathWyrmNexus wrote...

The one person who believed in Alistair as Alistair died... Yea, I can see that changing somebody. How many of you actually payed attention to what Alistair had to say?

Alistair isn't supposed to be Mal, parts of Mal are supposed to be there.

... Ya know what, I'm going to stop right there. Everytime I read these threads, I feel like paying attention is a dying art.

And for most Origins, the character is in the same boat.  It's not a lack of paying attention.  It's really a form of hey, I get it, My family just got murdered.  I just got raped.  I just lost my heritage and was left for dead in the deep roads.  I just broke out of prison where awful things were going to happen and i can't see my family or home again. I had to leave my clan because I've been tainted.  I was taken as a child and raised by people who hated me and were watching me every moment for signs that meant they'd have to kill me.

I'm afraid things are tough all over in Ferelden.  So it's not that I don't appreciate character construction, it's just that Alistair is not in any way unique in this regard.  And there's no "in game" option to change that.  It's not the "not getting it" it's the "Okay, I paid attention to Alistair, is anybody paying attention to the PC?"

If there had been an in-game option to have him leave due to PTSD, I would have taken it.  The only time you get to say "Hey, we're in over our heads and I've been a gray warden for about 12 hours" is at Flemeth's Hut, and if you do that, Alistair begs you to not leave.  So you can pay attention and honor what he wants, but sauce for the NPC is sauce for the PC. 

And yet, you obviously didn't pay enough attention since Alistair apologizes to you later in the game... The PC didn't have the same experience as Alistair. Perhaps a dwarven commoner or city elf but most of the other origins aren't even close.

So tell me, what did your parents look like as a Dalish Elf?  Was Tamlen just some throw away doll?  So, as a Human Noble, are you meeting your parents for tea after the Blight?  Yeah, somebody wasn't paying attention.  I am not, however, sure which one of us it was.  While the PC may or may not have been very close to Duncan, they also lost Duncan, add to this, also as Alistair says, the PC never got to experience anything about being a Grey Warden but death, and surprise, more death.  So to soothe his manly feeling, it's supposed to be OK for a female Noble to just watch him die?  I see your point, I suppose, it's not like the female Noble lost any immediate family to the Blight, or to Loghain's plotting, eh?  After all, you don't find out what happened to your brother at all, if you don't survive the Archdemon.  So, again, just what was it I wasn't paying attention to?

If you mean I wasn't paying attention to his incessant whining, you're quite right.  Before you start throwing things like my Dalish elf's parents died long ago, so did Alistair's mother.  So long ago, in fact that he never met his sister.  There was also a considerable amount of time between the time that Alistair joined the Grey Wardens and being sent to the Chantry, in physical years.  In emotional years, Alistair might as well still be that 10 year old boy.  So yeah, who wasn't paying attention?  Even Alistair's decision to take the killing blow on the Archdemon isn't done so you don't have to die.  It is done to spare him having to see somebody else die, and having to deal with that, because, quite frankly, he knows better than some players that he isn't emotionally equipped to handle it.

[DeathWyrmNexus]

Recidiva wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

but would this mod affect the ending though?

There may be a small variation in one of the opening lines if Alistair is the one who delivers the eulogy (depending if the game takes care to switch state from "alistair in love" to "alistair still in love" when the player dies) but other than that it fit quite seamless at a glance.

Oh.  My.  God.

I love you.

Seriously.  The cookies option is open, just send me your address and cookie choice.

That offer is also open to Mr. Gaider for the two-step closure. (offer also includes a no-stalker clause)

Happy closure cookies.

Just reloaded my elf who replayed that ending about 40 times to work through every ending option (I have a chart!)

That was awesome.  She is now at happy rest.

This is a good day.

Another reason to be an envious console ******, enjoy the mod since I can't.

[Recidiva]

DeathWyrmNexus wrote...
Another reason to be an envious console ******, enjoy the mod since I can't.

My deepest and most sincere sympathies.  This is...this is Christmas early.

[DeathWyrmNexus]

robertthebard wrote...

So tell me, what did your parents look like as a Dalish Elf?  Was Tamlen just some throw away doll?  So, as a Human Noble, are you meeting your parents for tea after the Blight?  Yeah, somebody wasn't paying attention.  I am not, however, sure which one of us it was.  While the PC may or may not have been very close to Duncan, they also lost Duncan, add to this, also as Alistair says, the PC never got to experience anything about being a Grey Warden but death, and surprise, more death.  So to soothe his manly feeling, it's supposed to be OK for a female Noble to just watch him die?  I see your point, I suppose, it's not like the female Noble lost any immediate family to the Blight, or to Loghain's plotting, eh?  After all, you don't find out what happened to your brother at all, if you don't survive the Archdemon.  So, again, just what was it I wasn't paying attention to?

If you mean I wasn't paying attention to his incessant whining, you're quite right.  Before you start throwing things like my Dalish elf's parents died long ago, so did Alistair's mother.  So long ago, in fact that he never met his sister.  There was also a considerable amount of time between the time that Alistair joined the Grey Wardens and being sent to the Chantry, in physical years.  In emotional years, Alistair might as well still be that 10 year old boy.  So yeah, who wasn't paying attention?  Even Alistair's decision to take the killing blow on the Archdemon isn't done so you don't have to die.  It is done to spare him having to see somebody else die, and having to deal with that, because, quite frankly, he knows better than some players that he isn't emotionally equipped to handle it.

The point went that way, care to fetch it?

PC actually had support growing up, right? Somebody who actually cared about them as them not as political pawn?

As I recall, Alistair was a parentless child only kept about with mild fondness for his use as a political pawn. He slept on hay, by the way, not a bed. So yea, treated as a hidden pawn, constantly told he shouldn't be thinking about rebellion before he even knew what rebellion was... Stuck with somebody who treated him like a usurper for a number of years of his life before convincing him to be sent off to a monastery where nobles would treat him like a usurper and the lowborn would treat him like a snotty noble they could actually yell at.

Then, the only person who actually treated him like a person dies after only being known for a few adult years. Ya, very much less than the PC deals with considering that Alistair deals with all the events of the game as well, Origin events notwithstanding.

AND... you do realize that Alistair apologizes to the character, right? Part of that whole, communicating thing you seemed to have missed.

[DeathWyrmNexus]

Recidiva wrote...

DeathWyrmNexus wrote...
Another reason to be an envious console ******, enjoy the mod since I can't.

My deepest and most sincere sympathies.  This is...this is Christmas early.

Awesome, enjoy with my blessing.

[Jayce]

Now, If only some one can kidnap Claudia Black and force her to record dialogue lines for a Morrigan who stays with you, we'd all be happy. ;-)

[HarlequinDream]

DeathWyrmNexus wrote...

Recidiva wrote...

DeathWyrmNexus wrote...
Another reason to be an envious console ******, enjoy the mod since I can't.

My deepest and most sincere sympathies.  This is...this is Christmas early.

Awesome, enjoy with my blessing.

I'll join you in being envious. There are so many cool mods I wish I could snag. Along with the ability to screenshot.

[Recidiva]

Jayce F wrote...

Now, If only some one can kidnap Claudia Black and force her to record dialogue lines for a Morrigan who stays with you, we'd all be happy. ;-)

Ooooh.

In the end it's not a bad thing to discover that gamers don't JUST enjoy making things explode.  I mean, we probably won't play UNLESS there are things exploding, but we do long for more.

I'm usually happy to murder most of the cast at the end of a game myself.  Wanting to keep them around is a novelty in itself.

But if she were voiced by Fran Drescher, deal's off.

[DeathWyrmNexus]

HarlequinDream wrote...

DeathWyrmNexus wrote...

Recidiva wrote...

DeathWyrmNexus wrote...
Another reason to be an envious console ******, enjoy the mod since I can't.

My deepest and most sincere sympathies.  This is...this is Christmas early.

Awesome, enjoy with my blessing.

I'll join you in being envious. There are so many cool mods I wish I could snag. Along with the ability to screenshot.

Hellz ya.

Btw, no hard feelings. Just hit one of my nasty peeves. Apologies.

[DeathWyrmNexus]

Recidiva wrote...

Jayce F wrote...

Now, If only some one can kidnap Claudia Black and force her to record dialogue lines for a Morrigan who stays with you, we'd all be happy. ;-)

Ooooh.

In the end it's not a bad thing to discover that gamers don't JUST enjoy making things explode.  I mean, we probably won't play UNLESS there are things exploding, but we do long for more.

I'm usually happy to murder most of the cast at the end of a game myself.  Wanting to keep them around is a novelty in itself.

But if she were voiced by Fran Drescher, deal's off.

Can I keep Claudia when we're done?

And personally, I want the dragon blood mod or whatever it is called. Drake Form!!! XD

[Recidiva]

DeathWyrmNexus wrote...

Can I keep Claudia when we're done?

And personally, I want the dragon blood mod or whatever it is called. Drake Form!!! XD

I love Claudia.  But...yes.  My husband would probably take offense.  Or maybe not...hm...possible loophole...

I'll think about it...

*sigh* I suppose someone should ask HER and everything.  So inconvenient.

[robertthebard]

DeathWyrmNexus wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

So tell me, what did your parents look like as a Dalish Elf?  Was Tamlen just some throw away doll?  So, as a Human Noble, are you meeting your parents for tea after the Blight?  Yeah, somebody wasn't paying attention.  I am not, however, sure which one of us it was.  While the PC may or may not have been very close to Duncan, they also lost Duncan, add to this, also as Alistair says, the PC never got to experience anything about being a Grey Warden but death, and surprise, more death.  So to soothe his manly feeling, it's supposed to be OK for a female Noble to just watch him die?  I see your point, I suppose, it's not like the female Noble lost any immediate family to the Blight, or to Loghain's plotting, eh?  After all, you don't find out what happened to your brother at all, if you don't survive the Archdemon.  So, again, just what was it I wasn't paying attention to?

If you mean I wasn't paying attention to his incessant whining, you're quite right.  Before you start throwing things like my Dalish elf's parents died long ago, so did Alistair's mother.  So long ago, in fact that he never met his sister.  There was also a considerable amount of time between the time that Alistair joined the Grey Wardens and being sent to the Chantry, in physical years.  In emotional years, Alistair might as well still be that 10 year old boy.  So yeah, who wasn't paying attention?  Even Alistair's decision to take the killing blow on the Archdemon isn't done so you don't have to die.  It is done to spare him having to see somebody else die, and having to deal with that, because, quite frankly, he knows better than some players that he isn't emotionally equipped to handle it.

The point went that way, care to fetch it?

PC actually had support growing up, right? Somebody who actually cared about them as them not as political pawn?

As I recall, Alistair was a parentless child only kept about with mild fondness for his use as a political pawn. He slept on hay, by the way, not a bed. So yea, treated as a hidden pawn, constantly told he shouldn't be thinking about rebellion before he even knew what rebellion was... Stuck with somebody who treated him like a usurper for a number of years of his life before convincing him to be sent off to a monastery where nobles would treat him like a usurper and the lowborn would treat him like a snotty noble they could actually yell at.

Then, the only person who actually treated him like a person dies after only being known for a few adult years. Ya, very much less than the PC deals with considering that Alistair deals with all the events of the game as well, Origin events notwithstanding.

AND... you do realize that Alistair apologizes to the character, right? Part of that whole, communicating thing you seemed to have missed.

Alistair was a Warden for 6 months prior to your Joining, look it up, seriously.  Regarding everything else, "Boo hoo, I had a hard life".  This justifies dumping everything in the PC's lap, after one day of being a Grey Warden.  Wow, poster child enabling the pity party much?  You see, you paint this like he had it hard.  Parent died, both actually, but he never knew Maric is pretty obvious.  This along with being raised by the Arl of Redcliffe, who obviously regarded the boy as more than a pawn, hence you find Alistair's mom's amulet in his desk drawer.  Isolde is the one that insisted he be shipped off to the Chantry.  Again, somebody wasn't paying attention, but I'm pretty sure it's not me.

So should I be apologizing to Alistair as a Human Noble that my family is dead at Howe's hands?  Does apologizing make up for dumping the whole of the "We have to save the world, and by we, I mean you, because I'm going to be over here in the corner feeling sorry for myself unless you decide to spare Loghain, in which case, I'm going to throw an absolute hissy fit, and try to take the crown by force so I can kill him"?  Or, alternatively, "I'm going take this killing blow so that I don't have to deal with my sucky ass life as a King now, so there"...This for a City Elf girl that he dumped because she wasn't human?  I'm supposed to buy the "I love you, I won't let you die" line?  No where in the game, from Flemeth's Hut to the Landsmeet does Alistair show one shred of maturity, or leadership.  Yet I'm supposed to take it on faith that he is doing it out of love, after he dumps the PC?  Somebody wasn't paying attention, but I'm pretty sure it's not me.  Fortunately for me, I plan to kill Alistair at the Archdemon on my Dalish Elf, so I can kick it up large with Leliana after the blight.  Just another dead human, after all.

I guess my point is this; it doesn't matter that he apologized.  Apology not accepted.  Show some backbone, and earn the right to be called a Grey Warden, or get the hell out of my way while I do the job that you thrust upon me by studying your navel for the entire time up until the moment of the final blow on the Archdemon.  Doing anything else is just further confirming my position of him being a dedicated follower, that only tries to lead to spare himself some more emotional baggage.  The worst part is, the baggage he's trying to spare himself from at the end is baggage that he himself created by dumping the whole mess in my PC's lap from the moment we leave Flemeth's hut after the battle.

[HarlequinDream]

DeathWyrmNexus wrote...

HarlequinDream wrote...

DeathWyrmNexus wrote...

Recidiva wrote...

DeathWyrmNexus wrote...
Another reason to be an envious console ******, enjoy the mod since I can't.

My deepest and most sincere sympathies.  This is...this is Christmas early.

Awesome, enjoy with my blessing.

I'll join you in being envious. There are so many cool mods I wish I could snag. Along with the ability to screenshot.

Hellz ya.

Btw, no hard feelings. Just hit one of my nasty peeves. Apologies.

I think some wires got crossed. I agreed with most of your points, and while my mage will be banging her head against her staff at her inability to Force Field Alistair... I think his actions make perfect sense. Might just be a case of two pet peeves clashing and wires crossed.

I wish the guy who reccommened the game to me (love him for that) had TOLD me it came in PC form. I would have bought it for that!

[DeathWyrmNexus]

Recidiva wrote...

DeathWyrmNexus wrote...

Can I keep Claudia when we're done?

And personally, I want the dragon blood mod or whatever it is called. Drake Form!!! XD

I love Claudia.  But...yes.  My husband would probably take offense.  Or maybe not...hm...possible loophole...

I'll think about it...

*sigh* I suppose someone should ask HER and everything.  So inconvenient.

Timeshare?

[DeathWyrmNexus]

HarlequinDream wrote...

DeathWyrmNexus wrote...

HarlequinDream wrote...

DeathWyrmNexus wrote...

Recidiva wrote...

DeathWyrmNexus wrote...
Another reason to be an envious console ******, enjoy the mod since I can't.

My deepest and most sincere sympathies.  This is...this is Christmas early.

Awesome, enjoy with my blessing.

I'll join you in being envious. There are so many cool mods I wish I could snag. Along with the ability to screenshot.

Hellz ya.

Btw, no hard feelings. Just hit one of my nasty peeves. Apologies.

I think some wires got crossed. I agreed with most of your points, and while my mage will be banging her head against her staff at her inability to Force Field Alistair... I think his actions make perfect sense. Might just be a case of two pet peeves clashing and wires crossed.

I wish the guy who reccommened the game to me (love him for that) had TOLD me it came in PC form. I would have bought it for that!

I've been having a very ****ty end of year and my little brother got it for me as an early birthday gift. Best gift ever.

[Recidiva]

DeathWyrmNexus wrote...

Timeshare?

Sure.

No using her to boost your con! 

[Recidiva]

DeathWyrmNexus wrote...

I've been having a very ****ty end of year and my little brother got it for me as an early birthday gift. Best gift ever.

Husband and I on our Anniversary (negotiated anniversary as we both forget) went out for dinner and then came home and were watching "Big Bang Theory" on the day of release.

There was a commercial...our eyes met...and in seven seconds we were out the door running around town for a copy.

Ah...nerd love...nothin' better.

I actually did...meet my husband...online...in a roleplay game.

[DeathWyrmNexus]

robertthebard wrote...

Alistair was a Warden for 6 months prior to your Joining, look it up, seriously.

Six months, wow. That is almost... No wait, doesn't matter. He is still a junior member, doesn't even know how an Archdemon is slain. So yea, he is a full fledged warden but that doesn't make him any more qualified than you. He was there to kill Emissaries. Besides, did your character truly balk at being given the lead? I just went with it because I like being in charge anyway.

Regarding everything else, "Boo hoo, I had a hard life".  This justifies dumping everything in the PC's lap, after one day of being a Grey Warden.  Wow, poster child enabling the pity party much?  You see, you paint this like he had it hard.  Parent died, both actually, but he never knew Maric is pretty obvious.  This along with being raised by the Arl of Redcliffe, who obviously regarded the boy as more than a pawn, hence you find Alistair's mom's amulet in his desk drawer.  Isolde is the one that insisted he be shipped off to the Chantry.  Again, somebody wasn't paying attention, but I'm pretty sure it's not me.

Actually yes he did have it hard. Eamon has a soft spot for him but hey, I suppose sleeping on hay is equivalent to being treated like family...

So should I be apologizing to Alistair as a Human Noble that my family is dead at Howe's hands?  Does apologizing make up for dumping the whole of the "We have to save the world, and by we, I mean you, because I'm going to be over here in the corner feeling sorry for myself unless you decide to spare Loghain, in which case, I'm going to throw an absolute hissy fit, and try to take the crown by force so I can kill him"?  Or, alternatively, "I'm going take this killing blow so that I don't have to deal with my sucky ass life as a King now, so there"...This for a City Elf girl that he dumped because she wasn't human?  I'm supposed to buy the "I love you, I won't let you die" line?  No where in the game, from Flemeth's Hut to the Landsmeet does Alistair show one shred of maturity, or leadership.  Yet I'm supposed to take it on faith that he is doing it out of love, after he dumps the PC?  Somebody wasn't paying attention, but I'm pretty sure it's not me.  Fortunately for me, I plan to kill Alistair at the Archdemon on my Dalish Elf, so I can kick it up large with Leliana after the blight.  Just another dead human, after all.

I guess my point is this; it doesn't matter that he apologized.  Apology not accepted.  Show some backbone, and earn the right to be called a Grey Warden, or get the hell out of my way while I do the job that you thrust upon me by studying your navel for the entire time up until the moment of the final blow on the Archdemon.  Doing anything else is just further confirming my position of him being a dedicated follower, that only tries to lead to spare himself some more emotional baggage.  The worst part is, the baggage he's trying to spare himself from at the end is baggage that he himself created by dumping the whole mess in my PC's lap from the moment we leave Flemeth's hut after the battle.

He apologized because he realized that he has been doing all the complaining and realizes that you haven't been having a good time either. Wow, it is like I realized that he is a person and thus flawed. Communicating rather than pushing him aside like everybody else has done his entire life, then a lot of what he does makes sense.

Nobody made you spare Howe, did they? Did they? Huh? Did ANYBODY make the noble human spare Howe for killing their family?

No, not a damn one.

Alistair's surrogate father? Hell, you can have Alistair executed and spare the murderer of Duncan as your new homie.

Ya, I am sure your vengeful heart is just torn asunder.

[DeathWyrmNexus]

Recidiva wrote...

DeathWyrmNexus wrote...

I've been having a very ****ty end of year and my little brother got it for me as an early birthday gift. Best gift ever.

Husband and I on our Anniversary (negotiated anniversary as we both forget) went out for dinner and then came home and were watching "Big Bang Theory" on the day of release.

There was a commercial...our eyes met...and in seven seconds we were out the door running around town for a copy.

Ah...nerd love...nothin' better.

I actually did...meet my husband...online...in a roleplay game.

Very cool. I am a sap so I remembered the anniversary of our first date. She decided to make it our wedding day so I don't have to remember a new date. As for Morrigan, I do have a healthy and hungry wife so she will be tired but no worse for wear.

[bobsmyuncle]

Wow, I've lagged behind this conversation. I hate working.

DeathWyrmNexus wrote...

I hate to say, they were actually in a stage before the wandering uterus theory because wasn't that Freud? If not, ignore this part of the statement.

You do make a wonderful point though, one that I am afraid we are probably a few years from seeing. In game leveling choices have more impact. Right now, the game basically lets Coercion and story choices rule the way the story flows but... You are correct. Forcefield could have made him a helpless observer to watching his beloved die. Not a fate I wish on many but I can understand wanting to take the blow for yourself thus his horror is needed for you to spare him.

You also did me a favor by pointing out the gender roles in the game. Even Zevran claims to be a gentleman so one does need to consider cultural norms in that society.

The thought about force field came to me in a fit of pique, and was not an actual expectation of the level of dynamic choice I have for a game. I understand when writers make an executive decision to choose an outcome because at some point you have to get on with your job rather than think of every possible permutation of character skill choice, temperament, etc. They decided this was something Alistair would do based on his character, and decided he got the jump on you, the end.

And no, the Greeks believed in the wandering uterus. Plato wrote about it but I'm not sure if he was the first who did. I'd love to get my hands on a medieval book of simples, there must be reproductions available and they'd be fascinating IMO.

A few semesters ago I took a course in medieval lit* and the ladies did not have it easy. A knight could rape a woman and get away with it as long as she was common (although in the story we read there was a witch involved and the woman was able to make a case to the queen). If she wasn't it was still considered a crime against either her father or husband (whoever her lord was). Women occasionally owned businesses but by and large were chattel. Queens could be set aside for not producing an heir. Compared to that BS Ferelden is progressive. Imagine getting a quest where you come upon a woman being raped by one of the king's men. You'd kill him, probably, or otherwise take up arms to stop him, right? Well guess what, if we were being historically accurate YOU'D be the one in trouble, not him. Not that rape was totally acceptable but it'd have been a bigger problem for you to raise arms against the king.

When compared with Alistair pushing you aside to die for you, when it's completely in character for an adorkable romantic, I just have a hard time getting my feminist ire up (and believe me it doesn't take me much to get going in that regard ).

*The morals in these stories still crack me up. We read one about St. George encountering a pair of newlyweds on the road. St. George politely inquired of the husband what he planned to do to support his wife, and the man responded that he had some money and planned to lend it and live on the interest. St. George then ran him through and told the woman it was better to be a widow than the wife of a usurer.

[gotthammer]

Jayce F wrote...

Now, If only some one can kidnap Claudia Black and force her to record dialogue lines for a Morrigan who stays with you, we'd all be happy. ;-)

I dunno. I kinda liked the ending as is (as amusing as the thought of nabbing Claudia Black is...for more voice work). IMHO, Morrigan leaving made that part of the story more...poignant? *shrugs*