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[Karlone123]

I do think Flemeth has something to do with the Old Gods, maybe being one of them perhaps. I also believe she has some form of relation to Dumat (well known Dragon-God) but I have no proof of this. Dumat still has some presence as when Corypheus calls to Dumat for power and it is granted, and the Alter of Dumat still has power if Hawke activates it.

But Dumat was slain in the First Blight as an Arch-demon so maybe Dumat spirit lingers around until a certain event happens and is fully ressurected. I think Flemeth is something of a Harbinger of the dragons.

[Samzo77]

If you remember, when you kill the dragon in DA:O, the spirit leaves the dragon and goes straight for the closest dark spawn, which is why the grey warden has to kill it. If Dumat was not truly killed by a grey warden, then he could still be around.

[Vincent Laww]

Dumat has most likely been eradicated for good, otherwise the first blight would have perpetuated forever. Potentially, Dumat's altar contained latent energies in the elemental stones which Corypheus drew upon.

Modifié par Vincent Laww, 25 juin 2012 - 06:51 .

[EricHVela]

Does anyone have any specifics about the defeat of tainted Dumat?

Who did the slaying? How did the Warden die?

What if (and that's a big, ridiculous, cliché, trite if) the Warden died from something other than Dumat's spirit and a situation not unlike Morrigan's child happened? Wouldn't there only need to be taint and some kind of "old magic" involved during the pregnancy for the situation to happen?

What if (and just throwing this out there) a tainted Old God's spirit is cleansed from the corruption by the Grey Warden's slaying but forever trapped in the Fade (as a benevolent or malevolent spirit)?

[thats1evildude]

It's possible Dumat is still "alive", but his physical body has been destroyed.

What were the Old Gods? I think it's obvious that they were more than just big dragons; that's likely the form they took, but they were obviously more than just dumb beasts. I think they were otherworldly beings that descended on Thedas and took the shape of the biggest and strongest monsters in this world.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 25 juin 2012 - 06:41 .

[Blacklash93]

thats1evildude wrote...

It's possible Dumat is still "alive", but his physical body has been destroyed.

What were the Old Gods? I think it's obvious that they were more than just big dragons; that's likely the form they took, but they were obviously more than just dumb beasts. I think they were otherworldly beings that descended on Thedas and took the shape of the biggest and strongest monsters in this world.

Dragons are more than just dumb beasts. They're the blood of the world and their survival is somehow essential for life to exist. The High Dragon in the Silent Grove was unusually intelligent and could understand the words spoken to it. It relented its attack on Alistair because it could smell his bloodline similarly to a darkspawn. Dragons ruled the skies of Thedas when the veil did not exist.

Flemeth tried to preserve an Old God and she is responsible for preserving and the reappearance of the dragon species. She also appears as a dragon very often and her redesign is to resemble a dragon. Who's to say those things are not connected?

[Wowlock]

As long as he won't appear as a Magical Darkspawn Child and say '' Darkspawn are my solution to the battle between living races and the monsters. Living Races will always create monsters and those monsters will try to kill their creators. So I combined those aspects to create this solution of Darkspawn. '' I have no problem of him being mentioned.

On a serious note though , I think Flemeth has some big secret that probably be used as a ''shocking card''. I can already see her doing something impossible or out-of-place for the shock value. Hell, after seeing her transfering her ''essence'' in that amulet I thought '' Well that figures. She is Lady Voldemort '' !

[Silfren]

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

The dragon form of the old gods is the tainted form as far as I know.

If the dragon form is killed then the spirit will be free again I suspect. If no darkspawn (or a warden) is available at that time the spirit will need to go somewhere I suppose.....

The fade would be my guess in that matter. From there they can talk to dreamers and mages again.
Think that that's what Corypheus did; talking to Dumat as he was a mage of sorts......
Still leaves in the open why Dumat did not talk to others. But then again he could have only it has not been addressed to yet in the game...

Food for thought .

Well, Origins states pretty clearly that the Old Gods themselves were intelligent dragons.  You get the run-down of this when talking to Alistair for the first time.  There's nothing in the lore to suggest that they didn't become dragons until they were tainted.  They were dragons all along, according to lore surrounding the Tevinters who worshipped them.  If you kill one, it travels through the taint to the nearest darkspawn.  I don't think it actually matters whether the darkspawn is five feet away or five miles.  It travels through the taint to the NEAREST available tainted creature.  It doesn't just float freely about if a tainted creature isn't lying conveniently close by.

One explanation could simply be that whatever answered Corypheus was not Dumat at all.  That he got an answer to his request for help in no way means that it MUST have been Dumat who answered. 

[DarkDragon777]

Do I think she's something that's interested in preserving the souls of the Old Gods and dragons in general? Yes. Do I think she is one? No.

Also, Morrigan states that Flemeth designed the ritual, so I doubt she would be an Old God that had already undergone the process.

Modifié par DarkDragon777, 26 juin 2012 - 09:12 .

[Silfren]

DarkDragon777 wrote...

Do I think she's something that's interested in preserving the souls of the Old Gods and dragons in general? Yes. Do I think she is one? No.

Also, Morrigan states that Flemeth designed the ritual, so I doubt she would be an Old God that had already undergone the process.

Where does Morrigan say that Flemeth designed the ritual?  I don't remember this, but it would make things so much more interesting if it's true.  

[LadyJ28]

Wowlock wrote...

As long as he won't appear as a Magical Darkspawn Child and say '' Darkspawn are my solution to the battle between living races and the monsters. Living Races will always create monsters and those monsters will try to kill their creators. So I combined those aspects to create this solution of Darkspawn. '' I have no problem of him being mentioned.

No one would ever write a character who would say that ...Seriously, I think it would be cool it Dumat was still alive and Flemeth was somehow connected to him and the old gods. I have faith in the writers that they could weave that tidbit of info into the next DA game.

[Mr. C]

ReggarBlane wrote...

Does anyone have any specifics about the defeat of tainted Dumat?

Who did the slaying? How did the Warden die?

What if (and that's a big, ridiculous, cliché, trite if) the Warden died from something other than Dumat's spirit and a situation not unlike Morrigan's child happened? Wouldn't there only need to be taint and some kind of "old magic" involved during the pregnancy for the situation to happen?

What if (and just throwing this out there) a tainted Old God's spirit is cleansed from the corruption by the Grey Warden's slaying but forever trapped in the Fade (as a benevolent or malevolent spirit)?

The info on the Sentinel set in Awakenings states that the armor was once worn by the Warden that slew Dumat. Not much of a "He's dead, Jim" statement, but it's something

Personally, I see much more potential with the Old God Lusacan than Dumat. The Seventh Blight will be interesting..

[Blacklash93]

Silfren wrote...
Where does Morrigan say that Flemeth designed the ritual?  I don't remember this, but it would make things so much more interesting if it's true.  

Even taking a second-hand mention of that from Morrigan about something Flemeth said as true at face-value isn't very wise. Morrigan could easily be misinformed or be making an assumption if she isn't being tactfully decietful to cover something up.

These witches lie. A lot. And when not doing that they're being cryptic and vague.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 29 juin 2012 - 12:10 .

[Silfren]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Silfren wrote...
Where does Morrigan say that Flemeth designed the ritual?  I don't remember this, but it would make things so much more interesting if it's true.  

Even taking a second-hand mention of that from Morrigan about something Flemeth said as true at face-value isn't very wise. Morrigan could easily be misinformed or be making an assumption if she isn't being tactfully decietful to cover something up.

These witches lie. A lot. And when not doing that they're being cryptic and vague.

I agree with this, but beyond that, I'd like to know where Morrigan said it, regardless.  As it is, I don't actually think she says anything of the sort, and that's a mis-remembering of something she did say.  Best I can recall, Morrigan says that Flemeth GAVE her the ritual, but that's a far, far cry from Flemeth designing it.  So I don't think that's accurate at all.  If it is, I'd like to know exactly where it comes from, so I can hear it for myself.