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[7he Island Head]

I expect it to fail. SO if it fails at failing that may be a good thing lol

[Luder09]

The Angry One wrote...

It cannot fail to meet my expectations because I have no expectations.

I felt this way about the first GI Joe movie, and still left disappointed

[chemiclord]

sydranark wrote...

@chemiclord

"Bitter" and "anrgy" can also be used to describe BioWare's behavior. As well as "Defensive/in denial," and "arrogant." Lets not forget how they also spun the story to make it seem like fans wanted explanations, not changes. Now once the EC comes out, if anyone complains regardless of how much it sucks, they will look like insatiable whiners.

To call Bioware's response "bitter and angry" would require there have been much of a response AT ALL.  They've been under gag order (and probably still are) until the 26th, if not later.  I saw a couple things from Stanley Woo (one of which as I understand was proven to be fabricated), and a handful of banal PR releases that fans twisted into an insult to them.

I'd agree with "defensive"... most people would be when their creations are attacked with the viciousness that was rampant on these forums.  "In denial"... I dunno.  I think they're perfectly aware that fans find it lacking... but believe the numbers that are steadfastly adamant that it MUST change are a minority.  Whether that is true or not, I can't say.

And yes, from the responses I saw here, "clarity", "closure", and "explanation" were some of the only consistent things among the responses.  The rest were either:

1) A complete scrap and rewrite of the ending (which was never going to happen).

2) Something about little blue babies (ugh, no thank you).

3) Various individual demands of the nature of the ending (many of which contradicted what other people wanted).

4) Inane nitpicking about details that, while technically accurate, were rather silly to be making a huge deal about.

5) People who pretty much wanted the whole game scrapped and redone (uh huh).

6) Something about Hudson and Walters being tarred and feathered, or some **** (I'm honestly kinda on board with this... too bad that won't happen either).

Honestly (and I bet a whole bunch of fans are going to hate me saying this)... but Bioware's biggest mistake, the one that really set this all in motion, was when they declared Mass Effect was "our story" way back during the ME1 days.  That opened Pandora's Box, and set them down a road where the end was DESTINED to disappoint.

Think on this; it's bad enough that the game itself was creating millions of permutations.  Now add in all those little blips in Shepard's history or in the narrative that the good people at Bioware encouraged to fill in yourself.  Now, those millions of permutations become nigh infinite.  There was NO WAY that all those different Shepards could be given ANYTHING resembling a narrative that meshes to the characters they created as it starts to close.

But instead of acknowledging the limitations, and explain how it got out of hand, here comes good ol' Casey, spouting garbage that he KNEW his people couldn't back up, because hell... if you're gonna go down, might as well go down in a blaze of glory, I guess.  Can't risk people getting disappointed by the reality of the situation, and cancelling their pre-purchases, right?  RIGHT?

Now, where the fans are wrong is that now that we are rather painfully AWARE of the limitations, KNOWING that they either can't or won't do what they claimed they would, we are STILL angrily demanding they give us everything we want right now... or... or... we're gonna keep throwing a fit, I guess?  I dunno.  I've heard a lot of people SAY their leaving... haven't seen much of the "leaving" part, though.

This is what we're going to get.  This is the best we're going to get.  If that's not enough... it's time to walk away.  If you're truly the majority you claim... Bioware will learn of their error very quickly.  They're either gambling or know you aren't (how they would know this, though, is beyond me).

Modifié par chemiclord, 25 juin 2012 - 01:50 .

[Kesak12]

Landon7001 wrote...

if they manage to not reach even my own guarded expectations, then i am done........i must have a reunion with ashley  Tali ......or i will no longer own me 3 or any bioware games same as all of you

Fixed for me

[aetheldod]

I really cant say what I would do .... maybe I´ll be satisfied or maybe I wont , talk to me again on Wednesday :/

[Han Shot First]

I don't like the ending but I'm also past the point of caring.

If the EC disappoints I think my reaction will be one of apathy. I'm also not going into the EC with high expectations, as the stated intent of the EC has always been to clarify rather than fix the existing ending.

The only effect it is likely to have on me is that I wouldn't preorder Dragon Age 3, and would wait to see what other players were saying about it before making a purchase.

[Sytharin]

chemiclord wrote...

Edington wrote...

sydranark wrote...

ericjdev wrote...

It already has failed to meet my expectations.

+1

Fans: Change the ending
BioW: What? Your tiny mind probably didn't understand it. How about we tell it to you again a bit slower?
Fans: No, just change it.
BioW: I'll re-iterate it.
Fans: Change it!!!
BioW: Space magic.

WOW this is exactly how it played out....

If you leave out the fact that it didn't play out like that AT ALL, then yes, that is EXACTLY how it played out.

Bitter, angry, mob:  CHANGE THE ENDING!
Bitter, angry, mob:  CHANGE THE ENDING! 
Bitter, angry, mob:  CHANGE THE ENDING! 
Bitter, angry, mob:  CHANGE THE ENDING! 
Bitter, angry, mob:  CHANGE THE ENDING! 
Bioware: This was the story we wanted to tell.  We're not going to change it.
Bitter, angry, mob:  CHANGE THE ENDING!
Bitter, angry, mob:  CHANGE THE ENDING! 
Reasoned, rational fans: We understand that you don't want to change what you created.  Could what you created at least make sense?
Bitter, angry, mob:  CHANGE THE ENDING! 
Bitter, angry, mob:  CHANGE THE ENDING! 
Bitter, angry, mob:  CHANGE THE ENDING!  
Bioware: Okay, we're going to trying this again.  No, we're not fundamentally changing the ending, but we'll try to have it make sense for you.
Bitter, angry mob: WE HAVE REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS AND WE WANT THEM GIVEN TO US, WE'LL EVEN PAY YOU FOR MORE ENDINGS!
Bioware: (shakes head) "We wouldn't know how to write that story."

Fixed that last bit for you.

I can get grimdark and Luddite plot in my day to day life. Bioware and EA will not see one additional cent. They admitted it themselves, they don't know how to write an uplifting narrative. Thank you for answering my question.

[chemiclord]

Sytharin wrote...

Fixed that last bit for you.

I can get grimdark and Luddite plot in my day to day life. Bioware and EA will not see one additional cent. They admitted it themselves, they don't know how to write an uplifting narrative. Thank you for answering my question.

First of all, you didn't fix anything.  The fans reaction and demands are not reasonable by any stretch. 

And your desires directly contradicted those who felt a "grimdark" ending suited the narrative of the story.

Why are your desires more important than theirs?  Why should Bioware cater to you and tell others to kiss off?

Modifié par chemiclord, 25 juin 2012 - 01:53 .

[chemiclord]

Double post.  Ignore.

Modifié par chemiclord, 25 juin 2012 - 01:52 .

[Khan317]

Bioware first let me down with the ending of KOTOR 2. I felt robbed of all the hours I spent on the game for a generic ending that didn't answer any questions whether you played good, evil, or inbetween. Mass Effect 1&2 had me going with hope that bioware got there act together. However, as history has taught me with bioware, they proved that they know how to ruin an ending. My doubts further grew with the disappointment of DA2 before ME3. At this point, I will not buy DA3 because on initial release. I would probably wait until there is enough discussion about how the story and gameplay were in DA3. Bioware stating that they will not change the ending, but provide more info is okay with me because that was my biggest issue that I had no clue what happened with my choices and it seemed to not matter are/might be answered. HOWEVER, because of the inconsistencies about the Mass relays, Shepard, synthetic/reapers/child i will probably never purchase full-price for another bioware game unless it's used or given as a gift. Ultimately, they lost a customer who has been let down by Bioware with KOTOR 2 and feared that one day, they would do it again... and they did.

I'll jump ship and look at Watch Dogs, Tomb Raider and anything else from Bethesda

Modifié par Khan317, 25 juin 2012 - 01:59 .

[lamodite]

If it fails then I'll simply move on. I can still go back and play Me1 and 2 in the future and just use my imagination for 3. Dawnguard is coming out soon I believe, and I just got into the Metal Gear series so I'll have my hands full.

[iSpider-Man]

EC will fail, 0 expectations for any ME game; i will be playing Skyrim's Dawnguard & The Amazing Spider-Man Video Game.

[Sytharin]

chemiclord wrote...

Sytharin wrote...

Fixed that last bit for you.

I can get grimdark and Luddite plot in my day to day life. Bioware and EA will not see one additional cent. They admitted it themselves, they don't know how to write an uplifting narrative. Thank you for answering my question.

First of all, you didn't fix anything.  The fans reaction and demands are not reasonable by any stretch. 

And your desires directly contradicted those who felt a "grimdark" ending suited the narrative of the story.

Why are your desires more important than theirs?  Why should Bioware cater to you and tell others to kiss off?

Don't read much, do you? Paying for more endings. I have not met a single pro-ender that has ever read that and then commented on it. You want your ending? That's fine, and guess what, you got it. I want mine. Do you know how many different endings there were in Mass Effect 2? How many times did you play 1 and 2, preparing yourself for the "multitude"  and "myriad" endings of 3?

The pro-ending community is the most asinine and selfish, not to mention dangerous to the future of RPG gaming as a whole, group I have ever seen. We. Deserve. More. Endings.

Do you know how much we deserve it? We were willing to pay for it.

Instead of responding to that question, they simply yell what accounts to: "We got our ending, you simply can't accept it. We're happy, get over it."

Well, thank you for your opinion. Guess what? I'm not happy. In fact, I'm so unhappy, that I will remove myself from the equation so that you can keep your favored grim and bad ending.

I'm very happy that Bioware will still be able to pander to your dimmer and narrow views without my, or vary many other fans' money

[GreenDragon37]

Then BioWare will be dead to me and Halo it'll return to the top as my favorite franchise. 343i can take me! Sadly, I think the EC is a polished turd. I have no hope. That died on March 9, 2012.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 25 juin 2012 - 02:09 .

[chemiclord]

Sytharin wrote...

Don't read much, do you? Paying for more endings. I have not met a single pro-ender that has ever read that and then commented on it. You want your ending? That's fine, and guess what, you got it. I want mine. Do you know how many different endings there were in Mass Effect 2? How many times did you play 1 and 2, preparing yourself for the "multitude"  and "myriad" endings of 3?

The pro-ending community is the most asinine and selfish, not to mention dangerous to the future of RPG gaming as a whole, group I have ever seen. We. Deserve. More. Endings.

Do you know how much we deserve it? We were willing to pay for it.

Instead of responding to that question, they simply yell what accounts to: "We got our ending, you simply can't accept it. We're happy, get over it."

Well, thank you for your opinion. Guess what? I'm not happy. In fact, I'm so unhappy, that I will remove myself from the equation so that you can keep your favored grim and bad ending.

I'm very happy that Bioware will still be able to pander to your dimmer and narrow views without my, or vary many other fans' money

Don't read much do you?

I didn't ask you what you felt you deserve.  I asked you why you feel that what YOU want should trump what OTHERS want.  Why should Bioware change their ending to suit what YOU want and tell the people who do like it (though few they are) to go pound sand?

And if anything, people like YOU are FAR more dangerous to gaming.  That you are willing to PAY for the ending to be changed... that's going to send gaming down a very dark road where companies give you an incomplete game and then make you pay for the complete game later.

We start going down the road where we start paying companies to change things to suit what we want, and I can guarantee you we'll see scenarios where the game completely cuts off at the climax with a little box that says, "Wanna see how it ends?  Buy the Resolution DLC for $15!"

Yeah, no thanks.  I'd rather just see you leave in bitter tears.

[s17tabris]

Khan317 wrote...

Bioware first let me down with the ending of KOTOR 2. I felt robbed of all the hours I spent on the game for a generic ending that didn't answer any questions whether you played good, evil, or inbetween. Mass Effect 1&2 had me going with hope that bioware got there act together. However, as history has taught me with bioware, they proved that they know how to ruin an ending. My doubts further grew with the disappointment of DA2 before ME3. At this point, I will not buy DA3 because on initial release. I would probably wait until there is enough discussion about how the story and gameplay were in DA3. Bioware stating that they will not change the ending, but provide more info is okay with me because that was my biggest issue that I had no clue what happened with my choices and it seemed to not matter are/might be answered. HOWEVER, because of the inconsistencies about the Mass relays, Shepard, synthetic/reapers/child i will probably never purchase full-price for another bioware game unless it's used or given as a gift. Ultimately, they lost a customer who has been let down by Bioware with KOTOR 2 and feared that one day, they would do it again... and they did.

I'll jump ship and look at Watch Dogs, Tomb Raider and anything else from Bethesda

Obsidian did KotOR2, not Bioware.

[iSpider-Man]

GreenDragon37 wrote...
The EC is a polished turd. I have no hope. That died on March 9, 2012.

Well said!! ME3's Death was March 8th though not the 9th.

[Iakus]

Since everything I've read sems to indicate there won't be a single ending permutation I'll be ablle to live with, I expect my response will be:

uninstall all three Mass Effect Games, delete all saves, remove all ME bookmarks, and try to forget this franchise ever existed.

Oh, and never buy another Bioware game without spoiling myself on the endings.

[Sytharin]

chemiclord wrote...

Sytharin wrote...

Don't read much, do you? Paying for more endings. I have not met a single pro-ender that has ever read that and then commented on it. You want your ending? That's fine, and guess what, you got it. I want mine. Do you know how many different endings there were in Mass Effect 2? How many times did you play 1 and 2, preparing yourself for the "multitude"  and "myriad" endings of 3?

The pro-ending community is the most asinine and selfish, not to mention dangerous to the future of RPG gaming as a whole, group I have ever seen. We. Deserve. More. Endings.

Do you know how much we deserve it? We were willing to pay for it.

Instead of responding to that question, they simply yell what accounts to: "We got our ending, you simply can't accept it. We're happy, get over it."

Well, thank you for your opinion. Guess what? I'm not happy. In fact, I'm so unhappy, that I will remove myself from the equation so that you can keep your favored grim and bad ending.

I'm very happy that Bioware will still be able to pander to your dimmer and narrow views without my, or vary many other fans' money

Don't read much do you?

I didn't ask you what you felt you deserve.  I asked you why you feel that what YOU want should trump what OTHERS want.  Why should Bioware change their ending to suit what YOU want and tell the people who do like it (though few they are) to go pound sand?

And if anything, people like YOU are FAR more dangerous to gaming.  That you are willing to PAY for the ending to be changed... that's going to send gaming down a very dark road where companies give you an incomplete game and then make you pay for the complete game later.

We start going down the road where we start paying companies to change things to suit what we want, and I can guarantee you we'll see scenarios where the game completely cuts off at the climax with a little box that says, "Wanna see how it ends?  Buy the Resolution DLC for $15!"

Yeah, no thanks.  I'd rather just see you leave in bitter tears.

Look up the definition of "more".

[devSin]

I'm not really expecting anything from the extended cut.

If it doesn't satisfy my needs, then I believe I'll complain about it for a while, but mostly I'll just move on. I won't be purchasing any DLC for ME3, and it's unlikely I will buy future games from this team at full retail price.

[chemiclord]

Sytharin wrote...

Look up the definition of "more".

I don't care.  You want a special ending that will contradict what was already established.

It's not as simple as saying, "I want my golden ending, you don't have to take it!"  A happy ending inherently becomes the "right" ending.  In much the same way that getting everyone out alive in the suicide mission was the "right" ending.  If you didn't do it that way, what was wrong with you?

Same deal here.  Bioware didn't want a "right" ending.  You did.  Why should they do a 180, and tell others who had no problem with the conundrum, "Yeah, we're gonna ****** all over you and make all your endings invalid to give this guy an ending where he gets everything he wants."

Modifié par chemiclord, 25 juin 2012 - 02:24 .

[C9316]

I'll be moving onto Halo 4, and checking on DAIII since it's Bioware's last chance for me...

[Baa Baa]

"A sword day! A red day! Ere the sun rises! Ride now!.... Ride now!.... Ride! Ride now to ruin and the world's ending! DEATH
DEATH
DEATH!"
Something like that

[dreamgazer]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

What expectations?

(thumbs up)

Best to just digest what they have prepared and expect nothing specific, outside of (hopefully) more coherence and a clearer eye for resolution.