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[Tennyochan]

@OP
I think breaking the cycle is to stand on ones own, to decide, as a race, where we're headed. So far we've been relying on Reaper-technology/relays or using technology based off something else - not truly creating something new and following the path reapers set.(ME1!)
Civilization needs to develop its own technology and when civilizations are ready, hopefully we've developed enough as a race to join the galactic community. (and not war against the first thing we see)

I think that's where the mass effect universe is headed. like starting over, the game will introduce us to the galactic community and new/'old' races - and beyond (hellooooo~ dark space)

[Reptilian Rob]

Erixxxx wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Sense, this makes none. 

Every single indivdual killed, processed and put into a Reaper body looses their individuality. Walters took Huxley's work, twisted it and controted it into something disgusting and then said it was art.

No, no no no no no! NOOOOOO!!!!! There is no Brave New World in ME3, only The Island. 

Doesn't matter to a computer doing calculations on how to best preserve civilizations. Whatever twisted form the species continue to exist as after being processed, they still exist. The only sense they need to make is that the species is still there. Which they are.

Again, how is this comparable to the Turians? I can't do this anymore, I've been doing it for four months...

It's like logic took a back seat to art, like story took a back seat to nonsense. I look at my literature degree and think now, "is this what the genre has come to?" 

"The novice, therefore, wanting to be recognized as an artist, falls into the trap of writing a screenplay not for what it is, but for what it is not. He avoids closure, active characters, chronology, and causality to avoid the taint of commercialism. As a result, pretentiousness poisons his work."  

Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 25 juin 2012 - 03:04 .

[Erixxxx]

MisterJB wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...
Ok. Fair point. However, the Reapers have only tried to make a Human reaper. Harbinger states the reasons why the others aren't viable for "ascension". Thus, he still lies.

Maybe Humans are the only species suitable to become a Capital Reaper and the others will be Destroyers.

According to the wiki, this is correct.

[Reptilian Rob]

Erixxxx wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Again, comparing the Turians to the Reapers. WAT!? Just no. 

Yes, in ME2 I got that they were harvesting for an unknown purpose which was DARK ****ING ENGERY written by Drew. Then in ME3 Walter's magically changed it to "Yo dawg."

I don't think I missed anything other than the plethora of lies. 

You clearly didn't go deep enough then. Legion reveals what Sovereign was. We knew two and a half years ago what the Reapers were and how they went about doing it.

And specifically, give me an example from ME2 that clearly connects the Reapers with dark energy. And don't give me the original ending crap. It was changed. Deal with it.

Star on Heastrom, read the original script. 

Bam. 

[Cypher_CS]

betd2 wrote...

If the Reapers are destoryed either by the Red ending or Shepard uses control to fly all the reapers into a star, or a black hole, or whatever. Then THE CYCLE IS BROKEN.
If Galatic Civization survives the Reapers. THE CYCLE is broken.

Sovereign had the answer to this question - the Relays are there to guide development of civilizations on the path the Reapers had chosen for them. So destroying them along with everything else is just another part of removing Reaper control, or assertion over the development of civilizations.


Or, an simpler answer would just be because they work on the same frequency...
The Code, the Signal, the Wave - whatever it is that's being shot, it's:
(a) being shot MR network wide - to reach all reapers simultaneously,
( carries a Reaper specific signal, taking out all Reaper tech... MRs being that tech as well.

[Erixxxx]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Again, how is this comparable to the Turians? I can't do this anymore, I've been doing it for four months...

It's like logic took a back seat to art, like story took a back seat to nonsense. I look at my literature degree and think now, "is this what the genre has come to?" 

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I didn't bring up the Turians, I merely contiuned it as a side argument.

In regards to the Reapers and their functions, seen from their point of view, what they're doing is completely logical. When dealing with beings that are not of this Earth, you have to put your own logics aside for a while if you want to try and understand their reasons for doing what they do.

[Erixxxx]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Star on Heastrom, read the original script. 

Bam. 

It isn't in the game. Therefore, not canon.

[thisisme8]

I swear, Angry One, all your arguments are wrong, taken out of context, or fall victim to projection. The "Reapers are homicidal maniacs who revel in torture" argument is tired at this point. Quit trying to project human emotions on to alien robots.

[Mr.House]

Erixxxx wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...
Ok. Fair point. However, the Reapers have only tried to make a Human reaper. Harbinger states the reasons why the others aren't viable for "ascension". Thus, he still lies.

Maybe Humans are the only species suitable to become a Capital Reaper and the others will be Destroyers.

According to the wiki, this is correct.

Not the qurians. They where going to be wiped out. The protheans where made into slaves, they where not "ascended", then oyu have the keepers. Starbrat is a liar.

[Reptilian Rob]

Erixxxx wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Again, how is this comparable to the Turians? I can't do this anymore, I've been doing it for four months...

It's like logic took a back seat to art, like story took a back seat to nonsense. I look at my literature degree and think now, "is this what the genre has come to?" 

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I didn't bring up the Turians, I merely contiuned it as a side argument.

In regards to the Reapers and their functions, seen from their point of view, what they're doing is completely logical. When dealing with beings that are not of this Earth, you have to put your own logics aside for a while if you want to try and understand their reasons for doing what they do.

Well then, should have written the Reapers a bit better than they are. Don't you think? If you want to convey that fine, but make sure it's done properly.

[Rex Fallout]

Erixxxx wrote...

Not everything is black and white. And most people don't seem to know how to deal with grey.

The problem becomes the fact that Shepard accepts the grey even when throughout the series he has been shown to be one of those people who refuses to accept the grey.  He refuses to keep the collector base because he won't sacrifice what he is for it, he will fight and win without it.  He refuses control- fighting the whole time believing that control is impossible- and even if it is possible that it isn't the right choice because Reaper tech cannot be trusted.  There is every possibility that in choosing control he could end up as TIM and become indoctrinated- that the StarChild lied to him simply to get him out of the way and continue this cycle.  But Shepard doesn't question it at all.  The StarChild says, "You can control them." And Shepard responds with, "oh.  The Illusive man was right."  He doesn't even sound that surprised!  He has fought, sacrificed and struggled through 3 games, fighting the whole time saying that the Reapers MUST BE DESTROYED.  That there was no middle ground!  No compromise!  That either we fight- or we die.  THAT was what all life had to do to save itself from the Reapers.  There was no grey area to think about- because you think about that grey area- and the Reapers end up controlling you.  The choice could not have been more black and white.  Either we destroy the Reapers... or they Destroy us.  For whatever mundane, idiotic reason that is written in the current ending.  

Everything may not be black and white.  But this choice is.

[Ticonderoga117]

MisterJB wrote...
It could have been referring to a Capital.
Maybe Humans are the only species suitable to become a Capital Reaper and the others will be Destroyers.

If I'm not mistaken, I remember a mention of Harvest Ships on Pallaven.

Probably for husks.
Turian - "Turian, you were considered... too primitive."
Asari - "Asari, reliance upon alien species for reproduction shows genetic weakness."
Geth - "Geth, an annoyance. Limited utility."
Krogan - "Krogan, sterilized race. Potential wasted."
Salarian - "Salarian, insufficient lifespan. Unstable genetic structure."
Drell - "Drell, useless. Insufficient numbers."
Quarian - "Quarian, considered due to cyborgnetic augmentation. Weakened immune system too debilitating."

These are the reasons why none of these races were "picked for ascension". Period. Not a Destroyer. Not a Capital one.

Harby has a good bit of lines stating why Humans were picked for "ascension".

[Mr.House]

Erixxxx wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Star on Heastrom, read the original script. 

Bam. 

It isn't in the game. Therefore, not canon.

Ok, then why is Kahlee Sanders and Kai Leng in ME3 if anything not in-game is not canon?

[Reptilian Rob]

Erixxxx wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Star on Heastrom, read the original script. 

Bam. 

It isn't in the game. Therefore, not canon.

The dark energy on Heastrom was a build up to ME3's first plot. It's in ME2, it's canon. 

Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 25 juin 2012 - 03:08 .

[Ticonderoga117]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Star on Heastrom, read the original script. 

Bam. 

It isn't in the game. Therefore, not canon.

The dark energy on Heastrom was a build up to ME3's first plot. It's in ME2, it's canon. 

Don't forget about Gianna Parasini!

[Reptilian Rob]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Star on Heastrom, read the original script. 

Bam. 

It isn't in the game. Therefore, not canon.

The dark energy on Heastrom was a build up to ME3's first plot. It's in ME2, it's canon. 

Don't forget about Gianna Parasini!

Yep, her too. She mentions dark energy as does Kal. 

[Ticonderoga117]

Erixxxx wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...
Ok. Fair point. However, the Reapers have only tried to make a Human reaper. Harbinger states the reasons why the others aren't viable for "ascension". Thus, he still lies.

Maybe Humans are the only species suitable to become a Capital Reaper and the others will be Destroyers.

According to the wiki, this is correct.

Mass Effect Wiki on Destroyers...
Destroyers are a type of Reaper that appear in Mass Effect 3. They are approximately 160 meters in height; smaller than a Reaper like Sovereign, which measured over 2 kilometers in height.[1]
Destroyers make up the majority of the Reaper fleet and are believed to
be created using harvested species that are not used to build capital
ships.

1. Believed. No direct evidence.
2. None of the other species where considered worthy of being harvested.

Modifié par Ticonderoga117, 25 juin 2012 - 03:12 .

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Star on Heastrom, read the original script. 

Bam. 

It isn't in the game. Therefore, not canon.

The dark energy on Heastrom was a build up to ME3's first plot. It's in ME2, it's canon. 

That plot was dropped before anything could be developed from it. As things currently stand, the star was nothing more than an anomaly.

[MisterJB]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Star on Heastrom, read the original script. 

Bam. 

It isn't in the game. Therefore, not canon.

The dark energy on Heastrom was a build up to ME3's first plot. It's in ME2, it's canon. 

But it has nothing to do with the Reapers.
Wshing they had followed Drew's plot does not make it so.

[Erixxxx]

Mr.House wrote...

Not the qurians. They where going to be wiped out. The protheans where made into slaves, they where not "ascended", then oyu have the keepers. Starbrat is a liar.

The Protheans still existed, did they not? Maybe horribly disfigured, but they were still there.

[Reptilian Rob]

MisterJB wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Star on Heastrom, read the original script. 

Bam. 

It isn't in the game. Therefore, not canon.

The dark energy on Heastrom was a build up to ME3's first plot. It's in ME2, it's canon. 

But it has nothing to do with the Reapers.
Wshing they had followed Drew's plot does not make it so.

Not if I pretend ME3 doesn't exist it doesn't...

That's how bad this **** is, I wish it away. 

[Erixxxx]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Well then, should have written the Reapers a bit better than they are. Don't you think? If you want to convey that fine, but make sure it's done properly.

In what way do you mean? In regards to their function or their logic?

[Ticonderoga117]

Erixxxx wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Not the qurians. They where going to be wiped out. The protheans where made into slaves, they where not "ascended", then oyu have the keepers. Starbrat is a liar.

The Protheans still existed, did they not? Maybe horribly disfigured, but they were still there.

If "still there" means mindless, mostly artificial life forms that sorta look like Protheans... then sure. Me? No. They are all dead or, if they remember anything from before, wishing they were dead. The latter I highly doubt.

[Erixxxx]

Mr.House wrote...
Ok, then why is Kahlee Sanders and Kai Leng in ME3 if anything not in-game is not canon?

Those are actual Mass Effect stories, not discarded scripts. Give me something a bit more substantial.

[Erixxxx]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

The dark energy on Heastrom was a build up to ME3's first plot. It's in ME2, it's canon. 

Script was still discarded. As long as it stays that way, canonically there's absolutely no connection between the mentions of dark energy in ME2 and anything else.