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[I Ryukage I]

 didnt read the rest of the thread, just posting before I go to sleep and prepare for the DLC. To answer the OP. I am just going to rent their games in the future, no more blind purchases. I have all ready played all I wanted this year, my "final buys" before taking a break from gaming, with Fallout NV, Skyrim, Dark Souls, Dragon's Dogma, Deus Ex Human Revolution, and Mass Effect 3.

If the EC is good, I may not be so much of a downer when my girlfriend asks to play the multiplayer, might actually be ok with playing all day long. Although I has other qualms with the game, this will hopefully do.. something.. to keep my calm to an extent. After DA2, ME:Deception, and now ME3, I just can't be an automatic buyer anymore, I can't.

[Helios969]

bEAware

[jerrinehart]

ME3 hasn't left my system since release. The ending blew nuts but the multiplayer is amazing. If they make it even better for the next game you can bet your sweet behind I'll be buying it day one. Anyone not enjoying the multiplayer aspect of ME3 is truly missing out.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Well, if it's the ethics of the choices at the end that are bothering you I have posted a thread that gives you as close to a morally clean Destroy ending given what I've read and heard about the EC in the podcast, tweets, etc.

How to get a nearly morally clean Destroy ending in ME3.

The thing is you have to purposely fail certain things and take certain actions. You don't kill off anyone. You just make sure that certain characters are in the wrong places at the wrong times. Yes it's metagaming. But of course, Commander Shepard wouldn't know that.

The reason for this is that without certain parameters Mac & Casey couldn't sell two of the endings to save their lives. This thread tells you how to neatly remove those parameters without being responsible.

It does require uninstalling "Arrival" -- this is unless you don't mind committing genocide of 300,000 Batarians. I feel arrival just messes up the lore of the entire universe by being presented at the end of the Horizon mission in ME2, and it doesn't work in any place with the cutscene after the Suicide Mission. It is just plain stupid. Don't worry, the 105th Marines handle the mission instead and you don't have genocide hanging over your head.

But that's neither here nor there. As far as BW games go, I'm waiting for user reviews from now on. Two weeks worth.

[The Anti-Saint]

StElmo wrote...

If the extended cut or any future DLC fails to rectify what you found so distasteful about the ending, will you come crawling back, when ME4 comes out, what about JE2 or DA3?

Lots of people are saying they will leave EA/BW/ME games for good, then others keep saying "pfft, no they won't, they are just being dramatic"

So which is it? I'm curious?

Even if the EC is a stinker, I'll buy ME4, about 6 to 8 months after it is released and heavily discounted...say around the $20 or below level. If there is one thing I can thank BiowarEA for, it's teaching me not to impulse buy video games; no preorders or launch perchases ever again.

[Teneroth]

StElmo wrote...

If the extended cut or any future DLC fails to rectify what you found so distasteful about the ending, will you come crawling back, when ME4 comes out, what about JE2 or DA3?

Lots of people are saying they will leave EA/BW/ME games for good, then others keep saying "pfft, no they won't, they are just being dramatic"

So which is it? I'm curious?

My nerd ragey responce to this is 'OMG NO, EA HAS CORRUPTED BIOWARE!' but once that fades I think I can be a little more rational.

At this point, if the DLC lives up to my expectations (not changing anything that matters about the current ending (yes, ending, FOR THERE IS ONLY ONE)) then I will avoid becoming emotionally attached to characters in bioware games from now on and I probably won't buy anything from them until the price drops to at least 40, depending on what I can find about it on the interwebs. I was disappointed by DA2, then again by the ME3 ending, and if their 'fix' doesn't actually fix it then that is their third strike. Will I buy bioware content in the future? probably, I still love the company, but I won't purchase it at full price, on openning day. Bioware, quite simply, has pushed me too far in my trust of their abilities and fee my money is best spend else where. Like Metro Last Light!

[Slayer299]

I don't see the EC fixing any of the big errors in the ending (like the entire thing!). I'll play it just of the sake of curiousity to see what BW's considers are the fixes needed.

But for me, I see Bioware as having moved away from gamers like me. They see their casual market and that is their target now, before they were the go-to company for good games (Jade Empire, NWN, ME1, etc) and that is no longer the case. I won't say I'll never-ever-ever buy a BW game, but nothing on pre-launch, day-1 or anything near that. A year or so down the line if the player reviews give it a thumbs-up I'll give it a go once its at bargain bin price.

@nexworks - too true about Valve, they make take what fees like a million and a half years, but at least you know it'll be a high-quality game.

[CuseGirl]

I'm on my mobile, thats why my response is up here. I dont understand your statement about Arrival not making sense because of the cut scene after the suicide mission.

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Well, if it's the ethics of the choices at the end that are bothering you I have posted a thread that gives you as close to a morally clean Destroy ending given what I've read and heard about the EC in the podcast, tweets, etc.

How to get a nearly morally clean Destroy ending in ME3.

The thing is you have to purposely fail certain things and take certain actions. You don't kill off anyone. You just make sure that certain characters are in the wrong places at the wrong times. Yes it's metagaming. But of course, Commander Shepard wouldn't know that.

The reason for this is that without certain parameters Mac & Casey couldn't sell two of the endings to save their lives. This thread tells you how to neatly remove those parameters without being responsible.

It does require uninstalling "Arrival" -- this is unless you don't mind committing genocide of 300,000 Batarians. I feel arrival just messes up the lore of the entire universe by being presented at the end of the Horizon mission in ME2, and it doesn't work in any place with the cutscene after the Suicide Mission. It is just plain stupid. Don't worry, the 105th Marines handle the mission instead and you don't have genocide hanging over your head.

But that's neither here nor there. As far as BW games go, I'm waiting for user reviews from now on. Two weeks worth.

[xSTONEYx187x]

No, they destroyed ME 3 after the legendary Mass Effect and the brilliant Mass Effect 2. The games that EA make are so streamlined it's ridiculous, go here, shoot, go here, shoot, tons of auto-dialogue, go here, shoot, BIG SET PIECE, more shooting, more auto-dialogue.

Rinse, repeat.

Uggh.

Modifié par xSTONEYx187x, 26 juin 2012 - 01:33 .

[Yelloheadx]

Disregarding all the PR (Who is the target market for their PR campaign anyways?), EC DLC is nearly here.
If it salvages the ending to the point where I want to play through ME3 again, then I will buy more SP DLC.  I will not buy MP DLC--That's not what I signed up for when I bought ME.  I will consider buying BioWare games, but I will never pre-order again, no matter what carrot is dangled.  I will wait for player reviews prior to purchasing.
If EC DLC fails, I will stop purchasing BioWare games.  This has everything to do with the time commitment and emotional investment  required to fully enjoy RPG games.  I refuse to put myself in a position where I am fully connected to a game and can get suckerpunched by an ending that is hastily done, and  incongruous with the story that precedes it:

umadcommander wrote...

if EC is bad no more money to bioware from me, just wouldnt want to set myself up for another big disappointment. When starting a new series my first thought would be "i wonder if this will end as badly as ME3" not good for immersion or fun.

I will not complain if EC DLC fails.  I will walk away.

[memorysquid]

All I hope is someone from Bioware actually takes a look at this thread and sees the, somewhat surprising but immensely gratifying, love for Jade Empire.

[utaker1988]

Crawling back would assume I left. They have games that I love, Mass Effect 3 is not one of those games. I didn't love DAII, I found it tolerable, at best. I love the FF series as a whole, there are a couple of stinkers in there but I never left SE as a customer. I learned not to pre order any FF game. I judge by series, not so much developer. But I won't be on the pre order list for any ME game nor DA game. Like others I will wait it out, see how the fans/players like it and then wait until I find it dirt cheap or on the used rack at GameStop.

[sg1fan75]

No I will not buy ME4 unless the writers responsible for the end of ME3 are fired.

[wicked_being]

The Anti-Saint wrote...

StElmo wrote...

If the extended cut or any future DLC fails to rectify what you found so distasteful about the ending, will you come crawling back, when ME4 comes out, what about JE2 or DA3?

Lots of people are saying they will leave EA/BW/ME games for good, then others keep saying "pfft, no they won't, they are just being dramatic"

So which is it? I'm curious?

Even if the EC is a stinker, I'll buy ME4, about 6 to 8 months after it is released and heavily discounted...say around the $20 or below level. If there is one thing I can thank BiowarEA for, it's teaching me not to impulse buy video games; no preorders or launch perchases ever again.

Amen to this. If there's one thing I've learned from this ME3 debacle, it's how to be a smarter consumer.

[Beeno4Life]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

That would depend. On trailers, previews, demos etc.

If Bioware did another game that looked fantastic, I'd still buy it. My expectations would be a bit lower though.

QFT

[gearseffect]

No I will Not buy another game with the BioWare or the EA on it. Further more I will not buy anything that has certain people of the BW ME team involved.

Also my issues with the game go much deeper than the Ending, the ending I'd have been able to take better if certain other promisses were kept, and they delivered on what they said they would.

There was no reason they couldn't have done it. It was not impossible it was not unrealistic, if they had intended to do what they said they were gonna there would have been nothing that got in their way of doing it. Where there is a will there is a way,

So no I am not over reacting, and no the EC can't solve and fix my issues with ME3, only DLC can and that's if BW pulls their heads out of their @sses and goes all out for it and delivers everything they said, they lead us to believe, and it's a big task, not an impossible one just a very big task. They can still redeem themselves, if they want to.

That's my stance and I'm sticking to it, I also refuse to take them at their word anymore, their actions have shown time and time again that they're just all hot air, talk is cheap. In the end with the ME3 DLC unless they can deliver and I see proof of it I will not buy any ME3 DLC. So it's up to BW/EA to right their wrongs.

[Ryzaki]

StElmo wrote...

If the extended cut or any future DLC fails to rectify what you found so distasteful about the ending, will you come crawling back, when ME4 comes out, what about JE2 or DA3?

Lots of people are saying they will leave EA/BW/ME games for good, then others keep saying "pfft, no they won't, they are just being dramatic"

So which is it? I'm curious?

I'm not done with BW as a whole. I liked DA2 (yes I'm serious) so I'll be back for DA3 (unless I see MP in that case screw it). And JE2? Hellz yes.

But not another ME game.

[NaughtyRectum]

It's not like I'm going to pretend that Bioware as a developer doesn't exist. I mean, I'll still give their games a chance, but only after a huge amount of looking into it, and I'll only buy them used. Unless Dragon Age 3 is on par with Origins, in which case I'll buy that new because it'll be one of my favorite games of all time. That's it though.

[The RPGenius]

Nope.  This is their one and only shot to retain me as a customer.  I have no interest in supporting a company that disrespects its own art and belittles its fanbase by claiming it's doing the opposite.  I can't speak for anyone else, but I have NO problem holding a product grudge effectively.  I've not sent a single dollar to SquareEnix for years now, nor Marvel Comics, and I'll have no difficulty adding EA and its holdings to them.  There's always Nintendo, there's always Atlus, there's always independent RPGs--there's always creators that care about their works and fanbase, about making a worthwhile product over what's the most profitable.

[CuseGirl]

The RPGenius wrote...
Nope.  This is their one and only shot to retain me as a customer.  I have no interest in supporting a company that disrespects its own art and belittles its fanbase by claiming it's doing the opposite.  I can't speak for anyone else, but I have NO problem holding a product grudge effectively.  I've not sent a single dollar to SquareEnix for years now, nor Marvel Comics, and I'll have no difficulty adding EA and its holdings to them.  There's always Nintendo, there's always Atlus, there's always independent RPGs--there's always creators that care about their works and fanbase, about making a worthwhile product over what's the most profitable.

What's stupid about it is this iteration of Mass Effect, with tacked on multiplayer, poor writing, and weak mission design is not the most profitable product they could put out there. I'm sure that most of their sales on this game came from pre-orders and week 1 buys from people who had played 1 or both of the previous 2 games. I highly doubt the 3 million plus sales includes a LARGE bulk of gamers who lack ME-2 imports. The EC is probably going to be lackluster, which means their SP DLC won't sell that much either.

[Bobrzy]

Of course i won't, the games are enjoyable, and BioWare's writing is acctually pretty good, when you compare it with, for example, Bethesda.

[Whapa]

I just hope that the EC makes ME3 palatable to me, honestly though, 1 playthrough for that game was a severe disappointment to me after ME1 & 2. If it does make me actually want to playthrough ME3 another couple times... Great. But no, no more money from me for their dlc. The game has to be amazing for me to want DLC for it, if the craptastic ending is the same, then to me there is no point whatsoever to purchase any DLC. In the end they don't matter. DA3...... very hesitant maybe, and like others have said, thats after a while of it being out and reviews, and most likely bargain bin, but thats the ONLY title that I was wanting from BioWare. Anything else....... pass.

[devSin]

Ryzaki wrote...

I liked DA2 (yes I'm serious) so I'll be back for DA3 (unless I see MP in that case screw it).

Don't stress about it.

They won't do it stupidly. Mark has been doing multiplayer since Baldur's Gate. He knows how it's done.

Multiplayer didn't kill Baldur's Gate or Neverwinter Nights, so don't judge what effect it will have on DA3 until you've at least had a chance to see it.

Modifié par devSin, 26 juin 2012 - 03:14 .

[sth88]

If the EC fails, Bioware will have lost me as a customer and advocate forever. Period.

[antony1197]

No, nothing else to say on that matter, if the EC fails (which I'm almost positive it will) then im done, no money from me EVER, if they ever do end up making a good game then I'll get it from the bargain bin or rent it or something, they will never see a penny from me again.