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[macrocarl]

I never left. So no, I won't 'crawl back'. I'm not directing this directly to the OP but what is it with people being so overly emotional about the ending not being what they thought it should be? It's not like BW did it on purpose or did it for money or whatever. That's the ending they wanted to a story they are telling. On top of that, they listened to fan feedback and decided to make free DLC. Everyone wants some sort of permutation of the ending, be it shorter minus starkid, or longer with more epilogue or whatever but that's not what you're going to get.
The main reason is twofold in my eyes:
One reason is it would be impossible to redo the ending in a way to make everyone happy. And the second and most important reason is it's their story to be told. The whole time people are raising money, throwing cupcakes etc. to get their own way, BW has been consistently saying they are not changing the ending but realized that a lot of fans want more closure. Which will change the very very ending epilogue for every player (or at least I think that's what the EC will do).
ME3 is a game of endings to a bajillion plot threads, Shep's being the final one. Once we see how the choices we made effect the epilogue I'm hoping that will quell some of the negativity around here.

Modifié par macrocarl, 25 juin 2012 - 04:12 .

[Jason Ralph]

Armass81 wrote...

Its a safe bet to say when new ME game is announced they will be back here despite what they said. Some people hated the 2 previous games and they still hang around here.

The only reason I purchased ME3 was because it concluded Shepard's story.  How EA/BioWare responded to the complaints of the ending (even if they disagreed with it), soured any chance on the next game set in ME universe (I avoid games with MP like the plague).
Far as the EC, I deleted my SP game save after finishing it.  I get what BioWare wanted to do with ending, except it was too short.  I felt like too much was left on the cutting room floor (much like movies have deleted scenes).  I feel the EC will fix that.  It just won't be enough to hook me back in (Lego Batman 2 releases tomorrow and playing games co-op with my wife > than game game with MP [ME3 included] or MMO [SW:TOR]).  I may or may not pick up the next DA game (haven't decided; liked DA:O, DA:A, and DA2).  My wife is wanting to be with child by the end of the year, and haven't decided if I want to stick with SW:TOR till our first child comes, or play console games until then.   That said, I won't play another MP game.  I'd rather play a MMO.

[MadRabbit999]

Raging Nug wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

That would depend. On trailers, previews, demos etc.

Let's be clear - trailers in NO way reflect on gameplay, story, or production value of a game. Trailers and previews are flashy and intended to sell product.

Trailers are for movies. Demos are for games.

I would never trust a demo..  I remember playing Dead Space demo.. thought it was a horrible game, played the game and loved it.. was a completely different experience.

I would not hear what other people have to say either, for years friend have bugged me with buying  Witcher. Got the HD version recently, played it 1 hour, and then uninstalled + refund.

Take chances, and make your own opinions.

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 25 juin 2012 - 04:16 .

[Squallypo]

if the EC somehow "succeeds" for me ill come back for the next bioware game, but if it doesnt then it was nice knowing you

[Humakt83]

I'll buy their products if they interest me.

MadRabbit999 wrote...

I would never trust a demo..  I remember playing Dead Space demo.. thought it was a horrible game, played the game and loved it.. was a completely different experience.

I would not hear what other people have to say either, for years friend have bugged me with buying  Witcher. Got the HD version recently, played it 1 hour, and then uninstalled + refund.

 

Dead Space is nothing compared to The Witcher Enhanced Edition.

Modifié par Humakt83, 25 juin 2012 - 04:19 .

[Raging Nug]

MadRabbit999 wrote...
I would never trust a demo..  I remember playing Dead Space demo.. thought it was a horrible game, played the game and loved it.. was a completely different experience.

What did you like about it that wasn't showcased in the demonstration?

[spirosz]

I highly doubt they'll make a Jade Empire 2, if they did my mind would be blown, but they would probably **** that up as well, haha. If they make another ME game, it would look like they're milking the series, IMO.

I already made my decision to not buy DA3 after DAII and ME3, I didn't buy any of the DLC for DA II because I didn't think it deserved my money (btw DAII is not a bad game, as like ME3, just didn't feel like a Bioware game). The only reason I bought ME3 is because ME2 was such a better game to me, compared to ME1, so I was thinking to myself "This is going to be the best of both ME1 and 2, no way they can **** it up" and then I played it.

Two strikes in a row for me, not gonna fall another one of their PR bull**** drama. Funny how this is actually influencing my future purchases as well - I'm setting my expectations very low for future titles.

[carine]

If I like the premise of the game, I'll buy it. I'm going to buy DA3 unless it looks absolutely terrible because I enjoyed DA: Origins immensely and I liked DA2 as well. Of course, very little has been announced (if anything really) about DA3, but I have a feeling I'm going to buy it.

As for ME4 or whatever comes next in this franchise... if I like it, I'll buy it. I thought the ending for ME3 sucked, but everything before that was the most emotional game I've ever played. I'm hoping that with whatever they do next, they don't screw around with the ending. But the ending didn't ruin the game for me in the first place. I was depressed for like two days and then I started another playthrough.

[spirosz]

MadRabbit999 wrote...
I would never trust a demo..  I remember playing Dead Space demo.. thought it was a horrible game, played the game and loved it.. was a completely different experience.

I did the exact same thing, weird.  Played the demo, hated it.  Bought the game a few years later, one of the best games I've played, love that series.  But hey, look what EA is doing with it now!  Hahaha. 

[codename2o2]

Considering their utter failure on DA2, I was shaken about preordering from them. With this ending nonsense, coupled on with the on-disc DLC, my faith has more than waned. If the EC delivers, they will have my trust for the time being. If not, anything with the bioware logo on it will receive nothing but suspicion, hostility and malice from me.

Modifié par codename2o2, 25 juin 2012 - 04:27 .

[MadRabbit999]

Raging Nug wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...
I would never trust a demo..  I remember playing Dead Space demo.. thought it was a horrible game, played the game and loved it.. was a completely different experience.

What did you like about it that wasn't showcased in the demonstration?

Personally it was the "Being thrown in the middle of a story, with a bunch of weapons you had no idea about, or had the time to figure out what to do with them, following a story which had been going on for hours and could not follow, being palced in the middle of a labyrinth-like map without knowing how I got there, and dying in a gruesome cinematic at the end of the demo, no matter what".

I do not beleive that is how you enjoy Dead Space.. that is why I got thrown off, luckly it was given to me as a birthday present so I "HAD" to paly it... loved it

Another game I had the opposite experience was Demon Souls.

Friend lends it to me, I play it for 6 horus straight, and ended up not "Getting it" and hating the game.

For some  bizarre reason I still decided to import it from US at £20 dearer (It came a year later in EU), and suddenly became one of my favourite RPG combat mechanics, only surpased by its sequel Dark Souls.

Like Hommous, you hate it at first, then it grows on you and becomes purely awesome.

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 25 juin 2012 - 04:30 .

[crimzontearz]

what pains me the most is that I'd love to give a shot to DA3 but the lack of NG+ makes it unplayable to me

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

StElmo wrote...

If the extended cut or any future DLC fails to rectify what you found so distasteful about the ending, will you come crawling back, when ME4 comes out, what about JE2 or DA3?

Lots of people are saying they will leave EA/BW/ME games for good, then others keep saying "pfft, no they won't, they are just being dramatic"

So which is it? I'm curious?

Why would people come back, Bioware has already proven to be imcompetent.
If coming back is buying their games at knock down price second hand then I am coming back.

[DiebytheSword]

I never left to "crawl back". I'm not happy with them, but not done with them either.

[Vilegrim]

I hope they remember what made the old games great, but I hold out very little hope, as they have declared they aren't going back to decent RPG design again.

Just more DA2 (shockingly bad game, not an RPG) or ME3 (condones and encourages genocide, not an RPG.)

On the plus side the Shadow Run kickstarter is coming out this year.

Modifié par Vilegrim, 25 juin 2012 - 04:37 .

[gmboy902]

I'm going to try to let EC fix Mass Effect. I'm not going to stubbornly refuse the series out of principle, because I care more about being able to enjoy Mass Effect than boycotting out of principle.

However, if the EC just massively fails, then I certainly won't buy DLC for ME3 - where's the point? And I will never buy a BioWare game on day one again. Dragon Age 2 was just a disappointment, and unless Dragon Age 3 gets spectacular reviews I don't think I'm going to buy it until it gets reduced to 20 bucks as well.

[NoTicketUWEC]

I'll MAYBE come back for Jade Empire 2, as Bioware may learned to not **** over portions of their fanbase by that point, but otherwise I have better places to invest in.

[Hicks233]

No more free press, the opposite in fact - encouraging caution with future Bioware products.

[Applepie_Svk]

StElmo wrote...

If the extended cut or any future DLC fails to rectify what you found so distasteful about the ending, will you come crawling back, when ME4 comes out, what about JE2 or DA3?

Lots of people are saying they will leave EA/BW/ME games for good, then others keep saying "pfft, no they won't, they are just being dramatic"

So which is it? I'm curious?

Hard to say, but my faith in BioWare is heavily damaged... BioWare just crushed my interest into Mass Effect universe and I doubt that EC will fix it...
http://www.gamepur.c...ys-bioware.html ...

"There was some feedback that we can't address. There are people who just outright rejected the whole concept of the endings, and wanted us to start from scratch and redo everything. And we can't do that because that's not our story, we wouldn't know how to write that story."

And than say something which is in conflict with previous quote ... is little like ****storm is comming ...

"What excites us is the challenge of learning how people consume our stories, so it's a learning process for everybody. And then incorporating that feedback, that's how we make our work better." 

" What excites us is the challenge of learning how people consume our stories, so it's a learning process for everybody. And then incorporating that feedback, that's how we make our work better.
When things are really constructive like that, even when it's critical, it means a lot to us, because when you think about the artists and writers, all the people here - they work because they're passionate about games." 

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 25 juin 2012 - 04:50 .

[nrcrane]

I'm not going to boycott Bioware or anything, but I've gone from someone who pre-orders the collectors edition to someone who will wait for for reviews of their games awhile after they come out before I make a decision to buy or not.

So overall not necessarily a bad thing, but just more indifferent to what Bioware does now.

[devSin]

If the extended cut isn't satisfactory, then I won't be purchasing any ME3 DLC, and future games from this team likely will not be bought a full retail price (I already never buy EA games until they're on sale for less than $30, and I try to get them for under $20, so that may end up being the case with most BioWare games as well).

If the extended cut is satisfactory, then we can talk. If Mike comes through for me, I'll get all the single-player ME3 DLC at or near release, and I'll consider picking up the next game when it's released.

None of this applies to the Dragon Age team. They simply have to make something, and I'll show up.

[Darth_Trethon]

I have other options too....such us only buying used BioWare games and not paying for any DLC to make absolutely sure they get no more money from me and so on you get the idea. I will continue to gladly support developers that do not seek to rob me and provide high quality games like Obsidian, Bethesda and CD Projekt Red to name a few. At this moment however as far as ME3 and BioWare are concerned it all largely depends on just how good the EC is. I don't imagine it'll be good enough if it doesn't have more than BS excuses like "Hacket ordered Joker to retreat" and other such crap. I expect quality not excuses so we'll see what happens tomorrow.

[shrimprahmen]

the ending of one game wont detter me from a whole company. it will however lower the standards i have about that company and will keep me from pre ordering or buying at release...will probobly go to borrowing the game from family or buying used when cheap

[TemplePhoenix]

I'll buy their next game if it looks awesome... and I won't if it doesn't... simple.

[RogueBot]

High Kicks wrote...

StElmo wrote...

High Kicks wrote...

I'm pretty good at keeping my word on these kinds of things.

When Marvel Vs Capcom 3 came out the way it was and after the release of the ultimate version, I vowed to never by another Capcom game for as long as I live. I've lived up to that promise so far. MvC3 was the last one I bought. Traded the game off for creds I was so disappointed.

If the EC flops for me, then I'll vow to be very cautious of EA/Bioware and not to buy anything on first release. I would have made this vow after DA2 came out, but I just knew Bioware wouldn't screw ME so badly. I guess I was kinda wrong there.

DA2 is a fine game (i'm playing it post ME3, though, haha).

It is a fine game.
They just cut a lot of corners when making it.
You have to admit; they were dead ass wrong for those reused maps. You're already stuck in one city during the main game, maps could have some variety. I'm just saying.

Yeah, that game had no sense of exploration at all, and for an RPG that's a terrible design decision. DA2 actually gave me a weird sense of claustrophobia, no joke.

Mass Effect may have "corridor worlds" but they're different enough to make you feel like you're exploring the galaxy.

Modifié par RogueBot, 25 juin 2012 - 05:06 .