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[Theodoro]

Who would be delighted to see the cut dialogue with Anderson suddenly show up in the EC? I know I would! I don't care if it goes against canon, I'd much rather take this small plot hole than the ones we have and put it in the game because it's just such an impacting scene accompanied by wonderful voice acting. We do know that new content from the EC begins somewhere after the run to the beam, so they could potentially bring it back or edit it so that it doesn't contradict Anderson's past.

[v0rt3x22]

Lol never thought I'd hear someone asking for more plot holes xD

[Samtheman63]

ive not heard the cut dialogue, what does he say that creates a plot hole?

[Theodoro]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Lol never thought I'd hear someone asking for more plot holes xD

Unlike the ending, this one can be overlooked. It isn't exactly stated in the game itself that Anderson had children. And I'm not *asking* for plot holes, I already said in the original post that the scene can be altered so that it does not contradict Anderson's past. Read the whole post and then comment.

Samtheman63 wrote...

ive not heard the cut dialogue, what does he say that creates a plot hole?

Apparently somewhere in the lore it's stated that Anderson used to be married when in fact he says that he never had a family. And that bit of information prevents us from having a wonderful scene at the end of the game.

Modifié par Theodoro, 25 juin 2012 - 03:51 .

[garrusfan1]

Actually it is hinted at the shadow broker base he went to see a sport with what I thought would be his nephew but maybe his son in one of the letter things you see on the terminal I would have to look again to give you exact details

[wright1978]

No Thanks. Unless they add dialogue wheel to that segment to choose Shep responses.

[garrusfan1]

wright1978 wrote...

No Thanks. Unless they add dialogue wheel to that segment to choose Shep responses.

True

[Theodoro]

wright1978 wrote...

No Thanks. Unless they add dialogue wheel to that segment to choose Shep responses.

Yes, that's a perfectly reasonable thing to do - since obviously not everyone will want to settle down, have children or anything, but it still seems like such a wasted opportunity for what is your final conversation with Anderson.

[devSin]

Yeah, I think it takes liberties with the characterization of Shepard. Not that this doesn't happen over and over in ME3, but I don't think it's something we need more of.

I will agree that the performances are exquisite, but the dialogue really isn't that special, so I just don't think it's worth having still more auto-dialogue. (If there were actually a range of responses for you to choose, then it would probably be a nice addition, sure, but there's no evidence that this wasn't simply another place where Shepard becomes the writer's character and we just get to watch and wonder what'll get said this time.)

[Han Shot First]

I'd be open to it if the EC went for a third option: Bringing Keith David back in and re-recording that dialogue so that it doesn't clash with established canon.

Instead of Anderson saying he regrets he never had a family, he could express regret about how things turned out with the family he once had.

[goodventure]

Oh please. One tiny little factual inaccuracy vs. a really good voice acting performance? I say put the cut dialogue back in there regardless!

[Han Shot First]

goodventure wrote...

Oh please. One tiny little factual inaccuracy vs. a really good voice acting performance? I say put the cut dialogue back in there regardless!

Why not just re-record the dialogue however, so that it doesn't clash with canon?

With voice actors being brought back for the EC I don't see why Keith David couldn't have been brought back for the same. Also if you have Keith David voicing regret about things not working out with his family, it serves the same function in that dialogue. He voices regret about not having a family (though in this case, it is because they left him) and then proceeds to ask Shepard if he or she ever thought about settling down and having children. The conversation would be practically the same, except with no inconsistencies.

[Ryzaki]

Meh it's not like Shep's mine anyway at this point. At least it was damned good dialogue I say put it back in.

[Knottedredloc]

Anderson never had kids. That mention of an child in LOTSB was a error. ME Relavations clearly stated that no kids were produced from the marriage.

[wright1978]

devSin wrote...

Yeah, I think it takes liberties with the characterization of Shepard. Not that this doesn't happen over and over in ME3, but I don't think it's something we need more of.

I will agree that the performances are exquisite, but the dialogue really isn't that special, so I just don't think it's worth having still more auto-dialogue. (If there were actually a range of responses for you to choose, then it would probably be a nice addition, sure, but there's no evidence that this wasn't simply another place where Shepard becomes the writer's character and we just get to watch and wonder what'll get said this time.)

Yep exactly. i don't like the liberties they took in forcing their default canonisation of Shep in other parts of the game either. So while  i do agree Anderson's words are well delivered, unless there is dialogue choice that scene at present steps over the bounds where player characterisation should be in play.

[Theodoro]

Han Shot First wrote...
With voice actors being brought back for the EC I don't see why Keith David couldn't have been brought back for the same. Also if you have Keith David voicing regret about things not working out with his family, it serves the same function in that dialogue. He voices regret about not having a family (though in this case, it is because they left him) and then proceeds to ask Shepard if he or she ever thought about settling down and having children. The conversation would be practically the same, except with no inconsistencies.

That's exactly how I'd imagine the dialogue if they did decide to bring it back and kept it consistent with the lore. Apart from that small error, I found it one of the most emotional conversations in any video games, and Keith David's delivery was absolutely sublime. It's just lamentable that we don't even have the chance to hear that in-game - I understand the need for a dialogue wheel, and I support it, but those of us who want to hear it should get the opportunity to.

Modifié par Theodoro, 25 juin 2012 - 05:07 .

[ivenoidea]

The problem with that scene is pacing. It's very beautiful, yes, but also quite long. The shorter version fits in better. Scenes that go on for too long can cause the player to loose attention. I wish more people though about pacing before complaining.

[Theodoro]

ivenoidea wrote...

The problem with that scene is pacing. It's very beautiful, yes, but also quite long. The shorter version fits in better. Scenes that go on for too long can cause the player to loose attention. I wish more people though about pacing before complaining.

Oh, please. This is your final goodbye with Anderson - it deserves to be long. Nearly all goodbyes with the squad members on London are long. Besides, if  'An End Once and For All' was used here except 'I'm Proud of You' like it was originally intended to, it flows perfectly.

[Han Shot First]

wright1978 wrote...

devSin wrote...

Yeah, I think it takes liberties with the characterization of Shepard. Not that this doesn't happen over and over in ME3, but I don't think it's something we need more of.

I will agree that the performances are exquisite, but the dialogue really isn't that special, so I just don't think it's worth having still more auto-dialogue. (If there were actually a range of responses for you to choose, then it would probably be a nice addition, sure, but there's no evidence that this wasn't simply another place where Shepard becomes the writer's character and we just get to watch and wonder what'll get said this time.)

Yep exactly. i don't like the liberties they took in forcing their default canonisation of Shep in other parts of the game either. So while  i do agree Anderson's words are well delivered, unless there is dialogue choice that scene at present steps over the bounds where player characterisation should be in play.

IIRC Shepard was supposed to have different dialogue choices there. When Anderson asks if Shepard ever thought about settling down the "Yes" option would have triggered, "Yeah, I like the sound of that. Not sure I'd be any good at it though." The "No" option would have triggered, "I'm a soldier Anderson, like you. Not really fit for anything else."

Or so I've read in another thread discussing the cut dialogue. Sounds legit at least.

[Fiery Phoenix]

The assets for that scene are already in place, to the best of my knowledge. They apparently just never got animated, so what we have of the scene in the game files is basically the skeleton version.

I'd love to see it in all its glory in the EC, but somehow I doubt it.

[Han Shot First]

Assuming Keith David was brought back for the EC, that dialogue could play out something like this:




Anderson: Commander.

Shepard: We did it, sir.

Anderson. Yes, we did. We both did. It's...uh...quite a view.

Shepard: (pained laugh) Best seats in the house.

Anderson: (grunts) You ever wonder? How things would have been different? How our lives would be...different if this hadn't happened. I had a family once, Shepard. A wife back on Earth. Didn't work out, though. Spent too much time away on deployment. Never had children. I always regretted that.

Shepard: There will be time enough for that now.

Anderson: (coughs and laughs painfully) I think that ship has sailed. What about you? Ever think about settling down?

Shepard: ('Yes' dialogue option) Yeah, I like the sound of that. I'm not sure I'd be much good at it though.

Shepard: ('No' dialogue option) I'm a soldier Anderson, like you. I'm not really fit for doing anything else.

Anderson: Sure you would. I don't know Shepard, I think you'd make a great dad. (or mom)

Shepard: (coughs) Uhh-huh. (doubtful)

Anderson: Think about how proud your kids would be, telling everyone their dad (or mom) is Commander Shepard!

Shepard: I don't know about that. Not everything I've done is something to be proud of.

Anderson: God...feels like years since I've just sat down.

Shepard: I think you earned a rest.

Anderson: Mmm-hmmm.

Shepard: Stay with me, we're almost through this.

Anderson: You did good, son. (or child) You did.. good. I'm proud of you.

Shepard: Thank you, sir.

Shepard: Anderson?

Modifié par Han Shot First, 25 juin 2012 - 05:35 .

[JamieCOTC]

wright1978 wrote...

No Thanks. Unless they add dialogue wheel to that segment to choose Shep responses.

The scene does have a dialogue wheel. Just no one has uploaded the "renegade" responce, which is something to the effect that Shepard's a soldier and wouldn't know what else to do. 

The scene was cut because it was deemed too long, which it is, but what we got was too short and appears to be simply cut from the original. 

Here it is (femshep)

[SuperVulcan]

 I don't know if this has been stated already:

Anderson was married. He was married to a woman named Cynthia. They were married a little before the First Contact War. This information is in the Mass Effect Revelations novel.

I've heard from a few people that this conversation would be awkward or not make sense if Shepard was Renegade. There is a way around this, however. If you don't ask Anderson about Kahlee Sanders or any of the other dialogue options to the left while you speak to him while aboard the Normandy. A renegade would not care about such things, right?

[Calibrations Expert]

Removing the cut dialogue was a good idea. He was bleeding to death, but got a 5 minute conversation with Shepard. It didn't make sense.

[RocketManSR2]

What needs to be put back in is that missing scene with Ashley. She needed to have more dialog aboard the Normandy.