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[lord_shift]

It's truly disheartening to see how clueless they still sound. I am holding my final judgement until I actually play EC, but this is disappointing. The article reflects my sentiments exactly.

http://www.gamefront...t-fix-anything/

Apologies if it has been posted already. I couldn't find it and the forums move at an insanly unfair speed >_>

[humes spork]

Yes, the irony of professional storytellers asking the audience to rely on their own imaginations to fill in the gaps they didn’t bother to cover, and then being somewhat surprised when they weren’t able to do it, is indeed funny.

I don't even know where to begin with this. It's almost as if whoever wrote this article has never seen a Kubrick film, read anything by Philip K. Dick or seen any of the films based upon his works.

[lord_shift]

Edited. Ignore this. =)

Modifié par lord_shift, 25 juin 2012 - 05:26 .

[The Night Mammoth]

humes spork wrote...

Yes, the irony of professional storytellers asking the audience to rely on their own imaginations to fill in the gaps they didn’t bother to cover, and then being somewhat surprised when they weren’t able to do it, is indeed funny.

I don't even know where to begin with this. It's almost as if whoever wrote this article has never seen a Kubrick film, read anything by Philip K. Dick or seen any of the films based upon his works.

Niether do what the author of the article is saying BioWare did. 

[dreamgazer]

humes spork wrote...

Yes, the irony of professional storytellers asking the audience to rely on their own imaginations to fill in the gaps they didn’t bother to cover, and then being somewhat surprised when they weren’t able to do it, is indeed funny.

I don't even know where to begin with this. It's almost as if whoever wrote this article has never seen a Kubrick film, read anything by Philip K. Dick or seen any of the films based upon his works.

Unfortunately, it appears to be indicative of the modern era's progression towards a new mainstream perception of narrative. It's a real shame.

[Robhuzz]

Sad part is that I feel the core this article is completely true. Hudson and Walters simply do not see or do not want to see the obvious problems with the ending - I'm betting on the last one.

Of course for a lot of people it's about closure, the ability to have Shepard meet up with the crew again and at least live some form of life in the galaxy that he saved. I want such an ending among the (supposed) 16 different endings. If it's going to be my story (Like BioWare kept repeating over and over) then I also want MY ending.

For many others though, it's the ending itself, the catalyst, the normandy crash scene that made no sense, the red blue and green 'choices' that were just space magic and totally out of place in this universe... I could go on... that was the actual gamebreaker.

Hudson and Walters seem to just refuse to acknowledge that anything is wrong with the ending. And as solving problems begins by acknowledging them, I stand by my original opinion: The EC WILL fail.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 25 juin 2012 - 05:16 .

[xsdob]

This person relys on false information to bash walters and hudson, citing a bioware employee leak long confirmed fake.

Otherwise it's just parroting what the BSN is writitng to appeal to the masses, which is working.

Modifié par xsdob, 25 juin 2012 - 05:18 .

[Flyprdu]

xsdob wrote...

This person relys on false information to bash walters and hudson, citing a bioware employee leak long confirmed fake.

Otherwise it's just parroting what the BSN is writitng to appeal to the masses, which is working.

Derp.

[Garlador]

humes spork wrote...

Yes, the irony of professional storytellers asking the audience to rely on their own imaginations to fill in the gaps they didn’t bother to cover, and then being somewhat surprised when they weren’t able to do it, is indeed funny.

I don't even know where to begin with this. It's almost as if whoever wrote this article has never seen a Kubrick film, read anything by Philip K. Dick or seen any of the films based upon his works.

I don't think you can apply this in a universal sense.

The problem with Mass Effect 3, and Mass Effect in general, is the first two and a half games made sure to give you SOOOO MUCH info. Every little minutia of the ME universe was explained in insanely in-depth, highly-intricate detail. Everything from how armor worked to how Asari had sex to how Volus breathe to how Elcor communicate to what Hanar believe to how engines work and how, when, and where every weapon was developed. Every planet was given a description and history. Every race came with generations of baggage. Every creature from every planet had its study, and every action you did or did not do was very vividly and clearly shown the consequences for.

... And all of that was ignored in the most vital part of the game, the ending. After over 200 hours of being told everything and expected to know how and why things are what they are, the ending ignored that entirely and literally decided that the only reason it should exist is for "speculation".

... But "speculation" may be a hallmark of Kubrick and Philip K. Dick, and all their works do this from beginning to end. The difference is ME1-3 (sans ending) never were about "speculation". In fact, with the wealth of info dumping the codex EXISTS for, ME was actually far more about realism, clarity, and descriptive information. It was not a fantasy sci-fi, it was a hard-science sci-fi, and nothing about anything in the prior games came about because of "speculation".

The fact that speculation only exists as a theme in the ending is a betrayal of their original tennants of knowledge and intel. Ambiguity was never their aim, and if it was they poorly conveyed that theme over the last five years and several games.

[dorktainian]

the truth points to itself....

[humes spork]

dreamgazer wrote...

Unfortunately, it appears to be indicative of the modern era's progression towards a new mainstream perception of narrative. It's a real shame.

Indeed. Hell, it wasn't but ten years ago that Minority Report came out and got absolutely carpet bombed for its ending among moviegoers and critics alike...until people figured the ending out, anyhow.

Modifié par humes spork, 25 juin 2012 - 05:24 .

[Cpl_Facehugger]

humes spork wrote...

Yes, the irony of professional storytellers asking the audience to rely on their own imaginations to fill in the gaps they didn’t bother to cover, and then being somewhat surprised when they weren’t able to do it, is indeed funny.

I don't even know where to begin with this. It's almost as if whoever wrote this article has never seen a Kubrick film, read anything by Philip K. Dick or seen any of the films based upon his works.

You can't rely on the audience's imagination for everything. Particularly not in a mainstream series like Mass Effect.

[xsdob]

Flyprdu wrote...

xsdob wrote...

This person relys on false information to bash walters and hudson, citing a bioware employee leak long confirmed fake.

Otherwise it's just parroting what the BSN is writitng to appeal to the masses, which is working.

Derp.

Explain?

Everything I typed is true, for one thing he uses patrick weekes as the writer who said casey and mac are to blame and soley wrote the endings, despite patrick weekes comming out and publicly writting that he never wrote the statement quoted months ago when it was first posted to the BSN.

And it is an appeal to the masses, this reads like something mitt romney would type to try and win over the gaming demographic, right down to the gaff.

But, I think trying to experiment with a open ending for the last game was a bad idea, however I will see whether they close the endings and give real answers to the important questions.

Modifié par xsdob, 25 juin 2012 - 05:39 .

[Bakgrind]

humes spork wrote...

Yes, the irony of professional storytellers asking the audience to rely on their own imaginations to fill in the gaps they didn’t bother to cover, and then being somewhat surprised when they weren’t able to do it, is indeed funny.

I don't even know where to begin with this. It's almost as if whoever wrote this article has never seen a Kubrick film, read anything by Philip K. Dick or seen any of the films based upon his works.

I don't think that really matters given the context of the ME series. ME is based on the fact that you see a resolution to not only choice but conflicts  throughout the series. To disreguard what made the series great  and replace the ending as an Esotericism belief cheapens the series.

[Mr.House]

Great article.

[Vilegrim]

oh look till to scared to do anything but a softball self serving promotion (this was not an interview, it was a PR promotion)

[lord_shift]

I discussed this point briefly with Jessica Merizan on Twitter, but her response was mostly "please try it out before judging, but we can't promise full satisfaction" (that's paraphrased). I hope she sees this because it's what I wanted to express to her.

It's great that they did the interview, but it's similar to a tech demo where the entire environment is so closed off and secure and scripted that nothing about it is real.

[dreamgazer]

humes spork wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Unfortunately, it appears to be indicative of the modern era's progression towards a new mainstream perception of narrative. It's a real shame.

Indeed. Hell, it wasn't but ten years ago that Minority Report came out and got absolutely carpet bombed for its ending among moviegoers and critics alike...until people figured the ending out, anyhow.

Many, many moviegoers still don't know about it.

[Eain]

humes spork wrote...

Yes, the irony of professional storytellers asking the audience to rely on their own imaginations to fill in the gaps they didn’t bother to cover, and then being somewhat surprised when they weren’t able to do it, is indeed funny.

I don't even know where to begin with this. It's almost as if whoever wrote this article has never seen a Kubrick film, read anything by Philip K. Dick or seen any of the films based upon his works.

If you think that Kubrick made his films by giving you a blank setting and a set of colouring pencils, you're gravely underestimating him.

[Captain_Obvious]

So let me get this straight. ME1 - Let us show/explain the ending. ME2 - Let us show/explain the ending. ME3 - Why can't you use your imagination?

That doesn't make any sense to me.

[hammerfan]

humes spork wrote...

Yes, the irony of professional storytellers asking the audience to rely on their own imaginations to fill in the gaps they didn’t bother to cover, and then being somewhat surprised when they weren’t able to do it, is indeed funny.

I don't even know where to begin with this. It's almost as if whoever wrote this article has never seen a Kubrick film, read anything by Philip K. Dick or seen any of the films based upon his works.

Comparing these guys to Philip K. Dick is just so very, very wrong...

[Squallypo]

awesome article btw and again the set bar to this EC is even below low.

[IsotypeSwitch]

That article basically summed up all of my feelings on the ending. It wasn't that I was mad that Shep died, and it wasn't that I was unable to let go of all the characters that I loved( everyone knew it was the end BW seriously, c'mon). I was mad that the ending was just so impersonal and unvaried. The Normandy crash happened in every ending, relays appeared to be "destroyed" in every ending, the color show they like to call difference, and the fact that the most important choice in the series was basically the same no matter what. Mass Effect was always a fans game...our choices shaped the game, and the fact that BW seems to be forgetting that is extremely disappointing.

[Calibrations Expert]

humes spork wrote...

Yes, the irony of professional storytellers asking the audience to rely on their own imaginations to fill in the gaps they didn’t bother to cover, and then being somewhat surprised when they weren’t able to do it, is indeed funny.

I don't even know where to begin with this. It's almost as if whoever wrote this article has never seen a Kubrick film, read anything by Philip K. Dick or seen any of the films based upon his works.

I agree with this article entirely. They tried to let are imagination tell us what happens, but there is too little information to imagine anything. We get nothing but hundreds of baseless and conflicting theories running off a spec of information.

The only cear ending is Destroy, where Shepard is 8/10 times forced to commit genocide on a friendly race of synthetics to kill his enemies. Then there's Control, were we don't know what Shepard controlled the Reapers to do, even though we should, or how he "Lost everything he was". And of course there's Synthesis, which no one has a f*cking clue what it does except turn everything neon green.