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[Taboo]

Any sane person knows that it is false, although I applaud your effort.

[estebanus]

Lord Goose wrote...

This is Shepard's eye during the synthesis ending. He's further from the camera and a lot of the time it's distorted by the green pulses, but this is still a clear enough shot to tell, without a doubt, that he has the same eyes here as in control.

Hopefully this helps convince someone that doesn't believe the eye evidence, which I personally consider to be the strongest evidence of the indoctrination theory.

That could be his/her eye implants affected by the energy. Or simply showing, since his flesh is burning out.
Renegade Shepard has similiar eyes, but inverted.



http://desmond.image...jpg&res=landing

It's not the same.
Copy/paste the link into another tab to see it in full size.

Modifié par estebanus, 25 juin 2012 - 07:20 .

[Fail_Inc]

Yeah the hum Vega hears is maybe engines... I mean as a soldier in space I'm sure it's the first time he hears engines so that's really new to him oh and noone else is hearing that magical engine hum. (or at least doesn't tell us)
Some explanations are just "they cut those scenes, developer oversight", if they cut those scenes then they're not necessary and they don't mean anything for the ending.Dream sequence doesn't remind Shepard anything, it just throws "oily shadows" at us as we move towards the end.We never see TIM's magical control powers but you know what we see? we see Shep overpowered and fell on his knees by reapers in the Arrival.
And I'm not even a IT supporter, granted that ending would be cool. I just want a good epilogue they can take keep their "Art"...
And this

Grimwick wrote...

Speculation about speculation doesn't prove nor debunk anything.

[Dragoonlordz]

OP you don't need to waste time debunking it, come tomorrow they will see and it will be the death of the theory regardless because what will be shown will be the reality whatever that may be. Personally I dislike IDT, but in the end with one day left there is no need to fight for or against as come tomorrow they will see one way or another. In fact every single person here arguing about it is wasting their breath/speeding up the onset of arthritis in their fingers for no reason at all.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 25 juin 2012 - 07:37 .

[Ageless Face]

@Lord goose, @estebanus

I don't get it. Are the eyes truly matter anyway? The eyes aren't a sign of indoctrination, they are a sign of reaper tech, if I'm not misaken. Dr. Kenson didn't have them. The Illusive man had the eyes before we was indoctrinated. It make some sort of sense for the eyes to be in control and synthesis.

[estebanus]

HagarIshay wrote...

@Lord goose, @estebanus

I don't get it. Are the eyes truly matter anyway? The eyes aren't a sign of indoctrination, they are a sign of reaper tech, if I'm not misaken. Dr. Kenson didn't have them. The Illusive man had the eyes before we was indoctrinated. It make some sort of sense for the eyes to be in control and synthesis.

The illusive man got those eyes after being indoctrinated. He got them after touching the arca monolith, I believe.

As for Kenson: Well, she was fully indoctrinated after weeks, wasn't she? So I guess the reapers may have managed to indoctrinate her in a swift manner like the use of nanides. TIM was slowly being indoctrinated over the run of several decades.

[FBI-Azzurri]

In honor of "Artistic Vision", I will continue to post Casey Hudson pictiures with funny quotes on them for the rest of the day.

[memorysquid]

"There was some feedback that we can't address. There are people who just outright rejected the whole concept of the endings, and wanted us to start from scratch and redo everything. And we can't do that because that's not our story, we wouldn't know how to write that story."

I may be reading into stuff and things, but that looks like the end of IT right there.

[Dragoonlordz]

FBI-Azzurri wrote...

In honor of "Artistic Vision", I will continue to post Casey Hudson pictiures with funny quotes on them for the rest of the day.

Sure you could do that if enjoy spamming the forums and spending time away from them.

[wryterra]

Just so you know, you're presenting speculation as your evidence but dismissing IT as speculation.

You also claim 'Anderson saw the kid at the beginning' without actually offering any supporting evidence. 

You can't just disagree and claim that you've debunked. You need to actually use proof. 

[estebanus]

memorysquid wrote...

"There was some feedback that we can't address. There are people who just outright rejected the whole concept of the endings, and wanted us to start from scratch and redo everything. And we can't do that because that's not our story, we wouldn't know how to write that story."

I may be reading into stuff and things, but that looks like the end of IT right there.

Not really. The IT doesn't want them to start from scratch. Starting from scratch would mean cutting out the whole citadel mission. That's the central core of the IT. Without it, The IT wouldn't exist.

IT relies on them expanding the ending, keeping everything what happened on the citadel still in the game, but in a different manner than expected.

[Helios969]

HagarIshay wrote...

@Lord goose, @estebanus

I don't get it. Are the eyes truly matter anyway? The eyes aren't a sign of indoctrination, they are a sign of reaper tech, if I'm not misaken. Dr. Kenson didn't have them. The Illusive man had the eyes before we was indoctrinated. It make some sort of sense for the eyes to be in control and synthesis.

Or did he, hmmm.

[wryterra]

estebanus wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

This is Shepard's eye during the synthesis ending. He's further from the camera and a lot of the time it's distorted by the green pulses, but this is still a clear enough shot to tell, without a doubt, that he has the same eyes here as in control.

Hopefully this helps convince someone that doesn't believe the eye evidence, which I personally consider to be the strongest evidence of the indoctrination theory.

That could be his/her eye implants affected by the energy. Or simply showing, since his flesh is burning out.
Renegade Shepard has similiar eyes, but inverted.



http://desmond.image...jpg&res=landing

It's not the same.
Copy/paste the link into another tab to see it in full size.

Another opportunity for me to post this:



Click for full size.

Modifié par wryterra, 25 juin 2012 - 07:49 .

[Ageless Face]

estebanus wrote...

The illusive man got those eyes after being indoctrinated. He got them after touching the arca monolith, I believe.

As for Kenson: Well, she was fully indoctrinated after weeks, wasn't she? So I guess the reapers may have managed to indoctrinate her in a swift manner like the use of nanides. TIM was slowly being indoctrinated over the run of several decades.

Well, the Illusive man was in the process of indoctrination. He wasn't indoctrinated up until ME3, or else he wouldn't have funded the Lazarus project, nor the suicide mission, at least I think he won't. If there are also the eyes while in the process, then shouldn't Shepard had the eyes before choosing control/synthesis, or not only for the renegade Shepards?

So the eyes are only for people that were in the process of indoctrination for a long time? Why?

[v0rt3x22]

I invite you into the IT thread. We have cookies.

[wryterra]

HagarIshay wrote...

estebanus wrote...

The illusive man got those eyes after being indoctrinated. He got them after touching the arca monolith, I believe.

As for Kenson: Well, she was fully indoctrinated after weeks, wasn't she? So I guess the reapers may have managed to indoctrinate her in a swift manner like the use of nanides. TIM was slowly being indoctrinated over the run of several decades.

Well, the Illusive man was in the process of indoctrination. He wasn't indoctrinated up until ME3, or else he wouldn't have funded the Lazarus project, nor the suicide mission, at least I think he won't. If there are also the eyes while in the process, then shouldn't Shepard had the eyes before choosing control/synthesis, or not only for the renegade Shepards?

So the eyes are only for people that were in the process of indoctrination for a long time? Why?

The Collectors wanted Shepard's body preserved, therefore we can assume the Reapers want Shepard's body preserved. The Lazarus project preserves Shepard's body. How is this not indoctrinated behaviour?

The Collectors are trying to capture Shepard and wipe out her crew. The suicide mission sends Shepard and her crew to the Collectors' most fortified stronghold for capture and elimination. How is this not indoctrinated behaviour?

[FBI-Azzurri]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

FBI-Azzurri wrote...

In honor of "Artistic Vision", I will continue to post Casey Hudson pictiures with funny quotes on them for the rest of the day.

Sure you could do that if enjoy spamming the forums and spending time away from them.

Damn it. Then my efforts will be for nothing if I end up spending time away from them. 

[CroGamer002]

You do know that Bioware pretty much confirmed with EC release date announcement that IT is a fanfic?

[psrz]

memorysquid wrote...

"There was some feedback that we can't address. There are people who just outright rejected the whole concept of the endings, and wanted us to start from scratch and redo everything. And we can't do that because that's not our story, we wouldn't know how to write that story."

I may be reading into stuff and things, but that looks like the end of IT right there.

Pretty much.
With all due respect, I always felt that the IT was an effort to bring some sort of hope. What's needs to be done with the ending they already said they won't do. Artistic integrity, vision and stuff.
I fear the pile of garbage will remain the same, and it will only get bigger with the EC.

Modifié par psrz, 25 juin 2012 - 07:58 .

[v0rt3x22]

I'll get to the rest later. I gotta take off.

A) This is the funniest thing ever. He starts a post - and goes on a holiday - to finish it off later.
When he comes back - this thread is locked.

*face palm*

[Ageless Face]

wryterra wrote...

The Collectors wanted Shepard's body preserved, therefore we can assume the Reapers want Shepard's body preserved. The Lazarus project preserves Shepard's body. How is this not indoctrinated behaviour?

The Collectors are trying to capture Shepard and wipe out her crew. The suicide mission sends Shepard and her crew to the Collectors' most fortified stronghold for capture and elimination. How is this not indoctrinated behaviour?

Then Miranda was indoctrinated while doing the Lazarus project? She helped doing it, so did Jacob, so did pretty much everyone that were involve in the project. TIM was only the funder for it. 

Yet he told and warned Shepard about the risks. He didn't send Shepard out blindly. Why would he do that, unless he wants the mission's success? Why would he bother bringing so many talented people to help Shepard in the 
suicide mission?

[DTKT]

How about Jessica Merrizan stating that the EC won't change anyone opinion on the IT.

Stop grasping at straws.

[Indylavi]

I like IT. I don't believe in it at all but it's nice and interesting to see what fans come up with. Plus, it's like a bad writing tropes drinking game. Deus Ex Machina, check. It was all a dream. Check. All we need is for the god child to tell Shepard that he is their father.

[v0rt3x22]

Mesina2 wrote...

You do know that Bioware pretty much confirmed with EC release date announcement that IT is a fanfic?

whaa?? what gives you that idea? 

[wryterra]

HagarIshay wrote...

wryterra wrote...

The Collectors wanted Shepard's body preserved, therefore we can assume the Reapers want Shepard's body preserved. The Lazarus project preserves Shepard's body. How is this not indoctrinated behaviour?

The Collectors are trying to capture Shepard and wipe out her crew. The suicide mission sends Shepard and her crew to the Collectors' most fortified stronghold for capture and elimination. How is this not indoctrinated behaviour?

Then Miranda was indoctrinated while doing the Lazarus project? She helped doing it, so did Jacob, so did pretty much everyone that were involve in the project. TIM was only the funder for it. 

Yet he told and warned Shepard about the risks. He didn't send Shepard out blindly. Why would he do that, unless he wants the mission's success? Why would he bother bringing so many talented people to help Shepard in the 
suicide mission?

TIM told Miranda they were doing it for the human race, to beat the Reapers. Jacob too. All of Cerberus in-fact. Indoctrinated people *lie*. They deceive. They trick. That's sort of the point. 

And Shepard wouldn't go if TIM said 'Shepard, I want you to go through the Omega 4 relay so that you'll die because I'm your enemy'. No, TIM has to tell Shepard it's their only chance for victory. But please note, he still tells Shepard it's likely a one-way trip. 

If TIM was indoctrinated he doesn't nescessarily KNOW he's following the Reaper agenda. He might even think he IS trying to fight them. That's not my argument. My argument is this:

Reapers & Collectors want Shepard preserved. TIM preserves Shepard. 

Reapers & Collectors want Shepard caught and his crew killed. TIM sends Shepard and crew to Collectors' strongest fortification where they will be hugely outnumbered.

This has been cited as proof TIM isn't indoctrinated. I ask, how is that proof? He is doing, whether deliberately or inadvertantly, what the Reapers want. How is that proof that he is working against them?