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[Sartheris]

Please Bioware ! ! ! !
Make the next patch to remove the CD check!!! Why do you do this anyway, this is not a way to enhance the protection and to prevent the piracy I ensure you, and I doubt anyone likes that it's played with a CD inside the rom....


P L E A S E  !  !  !

[Torias]

Bioware will not be removing the CD check any time soon.



They have deliberately used this method of copy protection, as they felt it provides the best balance between minimising piracy (particularly casual piracy from non-technical people) and looking after their customers (by ensuring that it doesn't prevent their customers from playing the game).



Bioware has gotten a lot of praise over this decision, as it reverses the course that many developers and publishers have been on, that of more and more intrusive copy protection schemes.



This scheme used by bioware is a return to about 10 years ago, and they should be applauded for looking very carefully at how to look after their paying customers and taking a risk on "less intrusive copy protection"

[Fredescu]

A good way of handling it would be disabling the CD check if you're logged in to a valid Bioware account. I know there are higher development priorities than advanced DRM systems though, and a CD check is a lot better than past alternatives with activation limits, rootkits, etc.

Modifié par Fredescu, 14 décembre 2009 - 09:15 .

[Badger8126]

yeah but wil bioware buy me a new cd when this one is all worn and cracked ?

[Torias]

Fredescu wrote...

A good way of handling it would be disabling the CD check if you're logged in to a valid Bioware account.

However, that would allow two people to simultaneously use the one copy... one with the cd and logged out, one with no cd and logged into their valid bioware account...

It should also, the copy protection varies for each distribution method.

I bought the game over Steam, so it's just the normal Steam account authentication stuff there :-)

[Torias]

Badger8126 wrote...

yeah but wil bioware buy me a new cd when this one is all worn and cracked ?

No.

You should be careful with the CD and look after it. With propper care, it should last for a very long time. You'll still need it each time you want to reinstall Dragon Age.

If you don't want to deal with physical media such as discs, you can look at buying a digitial distribution version of the game :-)

[Sartheris]

Badger8126 wrote...

yeah but wil bioware buy me a new cd when this one is all worn and cracked ?

Exactly my point!
I prefer the CD to be in the warm safe colored little box instead in the rom, and after all sometimes you have to remove it and place it again.... nevermind, I think that the CD KEY is the most important, not the CD itself, I'm sure Bioware cant look at my CD if it's legal, much easier with just a simple registered legal CD KEY provided with the original game - Tell me where I'm wrong

EDIT: I'm playing the game all the time logged in in my Bioware Account, isn't that enough ????

Modifié par Sartheris, 14 décembre 2009 - 09:36 .

[Niten Ryu]

Torias wrote...

Fredescu wrote...

A good way of handling it would be disabling the CD check if you're logged in to a valid Bioware account.

However, that would allow two people to simultaneously use the one copy... one with the cd and logged out, one with no cd and logged into their valid bioware account...

Uh... or maybe they wouldn't bother with such trivialities and just type the title of this thread and name of this game on google. Seriously, we're not living in the world of Pool of Radiance codedisks and Xerox machines anymore

[Badger8126]

Torias wrote...

Badger8126 wrote...

yeah but wil bioware buy me a new cd when this one is all worn and cracked ?

No.

You should be careful with the CD and look after it. With propper care, it should last for a very long time. You'll still need it each time you want to reinstall Dragon Age.

If you don't want to deal with physical media such as discs, you can look at buying a digitial distribution version of the game :-)

I don't mean to offend you but I don't just need the disk for reinstallation but everytime I start the game.
As for DD you never own those downloaded games, you borrow them until they stop providing you with the download.

[Zenon]

I usually have no problem with that. Although it makes it easier for me to switch between games. Interesting enough NWN2 seems to run with DA:O DVD in my drive. Or did NWN2 have a non-CD patch by now?

[Mesecina]

Badger8126 wrote...

I don't mean to offend you but I don't just need the disk for reinstallation but everytime I start the game.
As for DD you never own those downloaded games, you borrow them until they stop providing you with the download.

Errrrrr no?
You get a copy of the game on your drive which you can backup anywhere you like + should you somehow lose it still they provide you with another download as long as you have the confirmation email somewhere in the dephts of your email account + all the patches (at least for DAO) work with digital edition straight from Bioware.
I should note I'm talking d2d here, no idea about Steam though...
For people like me who keep losing DVDs or manage to get them scratched only by looking at them (honest) this is a waaaaaay preferable alternative (+ a lot cheaper)

Modifié par Mesecina, 14 décembre 2009 - 09:54 .

[Torias]

Niten Ryu wrote...

Torias wrote...

Fredescu wrote...

A good way of handling it would be disabling the CD check if you're logged in to a valid Bioware account.

However, that would allow two people to simultaneously use the one copy... one with the cd and logged out, one with no cd and logged into their valid bioware account...

Uh... or maybe they wouldn't bother with such trivialities and just type the title of this thread and name of this game on google. Seriously, we're not living in the world of Pool of Radiance codedisks and Xerox machines anymore

As I said, Bioware know that they cannot prevent all piracy.

They have taken steps to minimise piracy, balanced against looking after their customers.

Without the CD Check, many people would buy the game, install it, and then pass it onto a friend or family member to install. It may travel between a dozen pairs of hands, costing Bioware 11 sales.

These people most likely have never heard of any of the "advanced piracy" things that we take as "common knowledge".

[Torias]

Do NOT post information instructing people on how to circumvent the copy protection mechanics on Dragon Age.



That is NOT allowed on these forums.



Bioware have provided many options for how to purchase Dragon Age. They have not used intrusive copy protection mechanisms.



Please do not post information that other people (ie, everyone else who is browsing this forum and not necessarily posting) could use to pirate Dragon Age.

[Torias]

Badger8126 wrote...

Torias wrote...

Badger8126 wrote...

yeah but wil bioware buy me a new cd when this one is all worn and cracked ?

No.

You should be careful with the CD and look after it. With propper care, it should last for a very long time. You'll still need it each time you want to reinstall Dragon Age.

If you don't want to deal with physical media such as discs, you can look at buying a digitial distribution version of the game :-)

I don't mean to offend you but I don't just need the disk for reinstallation but everytime I start the game.

Yes, I know,

I am saying that even if you didn't (as you seem to be pushing for?), you would still need the CD to reinstall the game many years in the future (when the cd is all "worn and cracked").

[AS_Dodger]

Torias wrote...
They have deliberately used this method of copy protection, as they felt it provides the best balance between minimising piracy (particularly casual piracy from non-technical people) and looking after their customers (by ensuring that it doesn't prevent their customers from playing the game).

And there's the problem, as it DOES prevent me from playing the game.  DAO is one of 4 PC games that I have bought where the disc check doesn't work, and just keeps saying "Please insert the disc".

I can assure you if this happens to you, you absolutely do not look kindly on the 'protection' system that is preventing you from enjoying your purchase whilst the pirates have no such problem.

[Sartheris]

Torias Sorry...



So what about the Steam version, or whatever its called, thats played without a CD ?

[Torias]

AS_Dodger wrote...

Torias wrote...
They have deliberately used this method of copy protection, as they felt it provides the best balance between minimising piracy (particularly casual piracy from non-technical people) and looking after their customers (by ensuring that it doesn't prevent their customers from playing the game).

And there's the problem, as it DOES prevent me from playing the game.  DAO is one of 4 PC games that I have bought where the disc check doesn't work, and just keeps saying "Please insert the disc".

I can assure you if this happens to you, you absolutely do not look kindly on the 'protection' system that is preventing you from enjoying your purchase whilst the pirates have no such problem.

That is completely true.

Bioware went out of their way to try and use the least intrusive and most reliable method for copy protection.

They deliberately didn't use anything like "Securom" or similar, since they have problems with hardware compatibility.

The fact that there seems to be some hardware out there that DOES have a compatibility problem is something they will want to rectify.

Have you contacted tech support, including full details of your computer, especially the harware / firmware details of your dvd drive?

Also, post details about it in the Tech Support forum here, someone else may know how to resolve it.

[Torias]

Sartheris wrote...

Torias Sorry...

So what about the Steam version, or whatever its called, thats played without a CD ?

Yes, the "Digital Distribution" versions of the games do not come with cds.

EA Store, Steam, Direct2Drive and Impulse (I don't know of any more) all provide a way to buy Dragon Age through their service, and then download the game from them.

The downloading and installation of the game is matched up with your account with each of them, and that is used as the "copy protection" mechanism for them.

I personally am a big fan of Steam and buy all the games I can through that... makes life easier for me not having to juggle lots of disks and such ;-)

[Sartheris]

Can I just download the game free and then use my CD Key ?

[Zenon]

For ME Bioware hat a non-CD copy protection with other means of protection. People critizized and whined heavily. In fact I didn't buy it before Bioware made adjustments to it by a patch myself.



Now Bioware does a non-intrusive copy protection, but needing the original disc instead. People complain again.



Geez, for me it's most important Bioware keeps up making games, that are of top quality. I feel it's more convenient to play without the disc in my drive, but it's not a big issue for me. 'Nuff said.

[Alex_Lilic]

I really don't see the issue here. Bioware have to fight piracy, and have choosen a non-intrusive metod of doing so. I have never had a game disc break, and I'm not even that carefull. And if it does break, you just buy a new copy. **** breaks all the time, and just cause its a game doesn't mean it should have a automatic life-time gurantee. Stop whining and enjoy the game.

[astrallite]

You could take the Blizzard route. After the game has been released for a certain amount of time, introduce a no-cd patch.



This reduces costs for the company since you don't have to be in the business of replacing scratched discs. And most of your sales have already passed so there's little point in even a disc check.

[casadechrisso]

Zenon wrote...

I usually have no problem with that. Although it makes it easier for me to switch between games. Interesting enough NWN2 seems to run with DA:O DVD in my drive. Or did NWN2 have a non-CD patch by now?

Yes, NWN2 does not require the disk anymore since patch 1.23

On topic, I applaud Bioware's decission not to use something like the 3-installation limit of Mass Effect again, which was utterly repressive. However, I did like the fact I could play Mass Effect without DVD, especially on the laptop (with one of those totally unreliable slot-in drives) it was a salvation.
I personally would like to see the option for playing without DVD if you registered your game or you're logged in, that would be ideal. As for being able to run the game on two comps simultanously that way, I don't think that's much of a problem - after all, you were able to run Mass Effect on up to 3 comps simultanously.

[DragonRageGT]

While I really don't mind having the CD check and yes, it's waaaaay better than Secu-frak-Rom which broke 2 LG DVD-RW-ROM of mine (I could still play NWN2 on it... I could not watch any of my DVD movies on it! That costed me more than the game dvd!), I did have a Diablo 2 play disk exploding inside the drive once... long ago... gladly the game was already a bit old so I could get another box really cheap. (if only I had 2 computers to use my 2 CD-keys and run a Hell Mephisto/Baal run bot... *sighs*).

The problem with piracy should not be focused on ppl who may try the game with unusual ways and eventually end up purchasing the real thing if they can afford it.

I could go on the streets right now and purchase a chinese matrix'ed pirated dvd disk of it for some 5 USD. That is the real piracy that should be strongly condemned and fought! I'd put them in the same category of the int'l drug cartel. They're behind everything that is false. False games disk (specially console games so ppl claiming file sharing made the industry abandon PC games because of it couldn't be more wrong), false Rolex, false Louis Vitton, false [insert name here]... they got that too.

For the rest, I believe that a good Demo of the game might really help with people trying out something by whatever means before spending 80 bucks on a CE Edition (that's the price here for the PC version - console version costs a whole lot more! No idea how they could have a demo for those though)

Modifié par RageGT, 14 décembre 2009 - 10:32 .

[Sartheris]

 I suggest a simple solution - no CD Check for the people logged-in in their Bioware accounts!
So?

EDIT: Something like - some cookies from the site, that the game will detect and will run without the CD...

Modifié par Sartheris, 14 décembre 2009 - 10:46 .