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[DragonRageGT]

Adria Teksuni wrote...

Or C, those who find absolutely nothing wrong [stealing] it for anyone and everyone to download for free, including those who would have otherwise bought the game.  I don't know about you, but I know lots of folks who haven't bought anything digital in years, because they can just [steal] it all.

Maybe I just know too many cheap geeks...

I definitely know them too... I even refuse to help some with their game questions in some Orkut communities but you know what most of them do when something good comes out? Sign a +1 in those  "Let's buy this s*** and support the devs! This game deserves it!" .. threads...

And of course there is not any certainty in their purchasing the game if it were not available in file sharing. But they would still be in the (A), the way I see it. Oh, and if only DA would have a mplayer just like NWN has... problem solved. People do have to have the real thing for that and most of those guys I know are suckers for a good co-op or PW rpg's...  Please no MMO DA though cuz I hate those!

Of course counter-strike will still be in the most played game on earth but then, blame it on illegal servers too. (I don't play FPS anyway)

EDIT: Yeah, sorry for quoting the forbidden word! Fixed as per the original post edit.

Modifié par RageGT, 14 décembre 2009 - 01:41 .

[Lord Chaos]

Torias wrote...
It perfectly prevents casual piracy from people who buy the game, find they don't need the cd any more and then happily share it around with other people (who use a different computer). They might not even realise what they are doing is regarded as "wrong" and "piracy".

That situation, which is far more prevalent than "expert advanced pirates" is what bioware is targetting with their copy protection scheme.

In this day and age, that scenario just isn't happening. DA:O isn't the first game people buy and as such they would perfectly be aware of copy protections and that they can't just copy the game outright.

[Torias]

Lord Chaos wrote...

Torias wrote...
It perfectly prevents casual piracy from people who buy the game, find they don't need the cd any more and then happily share it around with other people (who use a different computer). They might not even realise what they are doing is regarded as "wrong" and "piracy".

That situation, which is far more prevalent than "expert advanced pirates" is what bioware is targetting with their copy protection scheme.

In this day and age, that scenario just isn't happening. DA:O isn't the first game people buy and as such they would perfectly be aware of copy protections and that they can't just copy the game outright.

I'm sorry, but you're just wrong.

Your social circle may tend to be more computer literate than normal.

The game has simple copy protection: The CD must be in the drive to play the game (for retail copies). This stops casual piracy from users who do not know advanced technical methods of stealing software.

There are four aspects to consider:
1) % of piracy stopped.
2) Cost to implent.
3) % of customers negatively impacted.
4) Some retailers wont sell games without copy protection.

Given those 4 factors, Bioware implemented what they thought is the best way to balance them all.

Modifié par Torias, 14 décembre 2009 - 01:41 .

[DragonRageGT]

While all is silent regarding the B in my text wall post, I do hope that not only Bioware but all of them in all possible business areas are working together and have the support of the "big guns guys" to stop it, someday.



I just hate the word hate but I do hate crooks and corrupts in general, even if they are kinda of easy inspiration for song writting. Hope you never have someone close to you dying from taking a fake medicine pill that did nothing to heal but quite the contraire!

[Magic Zarim]

With a bit of luck those who got the CD will get their No-CD patch, if you're willing to put up with Steam. I got DA:O through Steam and so naturally don't have a CD, much less my computer sounding like it's about to take off when CDs would be checked.

[SephirothTDL]

Seriously though, what's so hard about...



"Hmmm, I think I want to play Dragon Age today"



(*Gets the game from the dvd case, and puts it into the dvd drive and closes it.*)



(*Auto Run*)



"Wow, I didn't even have to do any extra clicking to open the game launcher."



Honestly, you wouldn't complain about changing your games on a ps3 or 360. Just be happy you have a legit copy of the game and Bioware has put some effort into protecting their games unlike some other developers.

[T0paze]

Actually, game owners should be happy that Bioware has put LESS effort into protecting their game, unlike some other developers (and themselves just a year ago - Mass Effect, anyone?). That being said, most of their copy protection efforts went into the DLC.

Modifié par T0paze, 14 décembre 2009 - 02:30 .

[SheffSteel]

Realistically speaking, the alternative to a disk check is a more or less intrusive form of Digital Rights Management software, such as SecuRom, Tages or Starforce (and note that the digitally downloaded versions of the game all have some form of DRM provided by the digital distributor).

According to www.rockpapershotgun.com, 9529 children were eaten by DRM just today. That's a shocking figure and I think we all ought to be thankful that Bioware made the decision to go with a simple DVD check.

Modifié par SheffSteel, 14 décembre 2009 - 02:42 .

[Alex_Lilic]

Realistically speaking, the alternative to a disk check is a more or less intrusive form of Digital Rights Management software, such as SecuRom, Tages or Starforce (and note that the digitally downloaded versions of the game all have some form of DRM provided by the digital distributor).

According to www.rockpapershotgun.com, 9529 children were eaten by DRM just today. That's a shocking figure and I think we all ought to be thankful that Bioware made the decision to go with a simple DVD check.

lol

Modifié par Alex_Lilic, 14 décembre 2009 - 03:21 .

[kevinwastaken]

The CD check is a minor nuisance and I for one am glad that BW went with less draconian copy protection. That said, people who pirate games are not deterred by any form of Copy Protection whatsoever, and so it really only hurts the honest customers.

[B33ker]

I find it amazing that people **** about something when they should be thankful for it.

People are so spoiled rotten nowadays it's just unreal.

DRM isn't going to go away, and companies aren't going to care about YOUR justification for it. If you don't like it, don't buy the product. If you pirate it instead, you should rot in hell.

A simple CD check is soooo much trouble for poor little old you? Good lord how do you get through the day if you have to even open a door since thats even more effort? How about we just sit you in front of the computer and play it for you so you don't even have to lift a finger at all?

BioWare did you all a favor by having a simple CD check and not using SecuROM or some other invasive scheme that could cripple your computer and yet you **** like they did something wrong.

BioWare is in the right here, and I applaud them for it.

[Magic Zarim]

You know why most people are annoyed by a CD check? The continuous spinning of the drive, making RPM, slowing down, spinning up, having to anchor computer cases to walls / floors, having to game with earplugs in, unable to enjoy the game's sound unless you'd turn up your stereo set to 11. Yes ELEVEN.

[Magic Zarim]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Magic Zarim wrote...

You know why most people are annoyed by a CD check? The continuous spinning of the drive, making RPM, slowing down, spinning up, having to anchor computer cases to walls / floors, having to game with earplugs in, unable to enjoy the game's sound unless you'd turn up your stereo set to 11. Yes ELEVEN.

The problem is that you are using your monitors built in speakers.

I've seen you do that more than once in these forums: Making assasinine assumptions towards other forum members when you don't have anything useful to say at all. You just got another trophy to add to that pile

[feroxthegreywarden]

Sartheris wrote...

Please Bioware ! ! ! !
Make the next patch to remove the CD check!!! Why do you do this anyway, this is not a way to enhance the protection and to prevent the piracy I ensure you, and I doubt anyone likes that it's played with a CD inside the rom....


P L E A S E  !  !  !

two words - digitial download.. lol

[Ghandorian]

Magic Zarim wrote...

You know why most people are annoyed by a CD check? The continuous spinning of the drive, making RPM, slowing down, spinning up, having to anchor computer cases to walls / floors, having to game with earplugs in, unable to enjoy the game's sound unless you'd turn up your stereo set to 11. Yes ELEVEN.

Yea that has to be it. I picked up 6 high tensile bungee-cords to strap my tower to 4 cinder blocks that I cemented together. And then I lag bolted the cinder blocks to the floor to keep them still

I love my Sonata III case. You barely even hear the big fans when they scale up for high cpu usage. I was nt even aware my cd was spinning. Are you guys sure about this?

I find that games get dated because of  OS platforms or hardware evolving more than because they wear out. I have never had a cd wear out before despite always having them in the drive. I guess If I was running an illegal game café or something I might worry about this but I have never had a problem with it since games went to cd roms from the 31/2 inch floppies

[Adria Teksuni]

Magic Zarim wrote...

You know why most people are annoyed by a CD check? The continuous spinning of the drive, making RPM, slowing down, spinning up, having to anchor computer cases to walls / floors, having to game with earplugs in, unable to enjoy the game's sound unless you'd turn up your stereo set to 11. Yes ELEVEN.

*sigh*  I understood you were making a jokey, Magic.

[T0paze]

B33ker wrote...

I find it amazing that people **** about something when they should be thankful for it.
People are so spoiled rotten nowadays it's just unreal.
DRM isn't going to go away, and companies aren't going to care about YOUR justification for it. If you don't like it, don't buy the product. If you pirate it instead, you should rot in hell.
A simple CD check is soooo much trouble for poor little old you? Good lord how do you get through the day if you have to even open a door since thats even more effort? How about we just sit you in front of the computer and play it for you so you don't even have to lift a finger at all?
BioWare did you all a favor by having a simple CD check and not using SecuROM or some other invasive scheme that could cripple your computer and yet you **** like they did something wrong.
BioWare is in the right here, and I applaud them for it.

That's a very peculiar attitude.
Understanding Bioware's reasons is one thing. But the game industry is really in a sorry state if people can seriously applaud a company for implementing a relatively less sophisticated copy protection system, as compared to those used by other companies. This sounds like a classic good cop and bad cop story. Only in this case it's legal owners who are in the role of a prisoner.

You do understand that those who pirate games don't really care about all those things, do you? With the exception of very few games with excellent copy protection (which also happen to cause a lot of trouble for legal owners) they only need to have a little patience (not to do anything but simply to wait a little), some moderate computer skills, and crackers offer the rest. So, unless the game in question is multiplayer-only, the only consolation that legal owners can have is limited to that hilarious 'If you pirate it instead, you should rot in hell.'. 

Bioware did a reasonable thing by targeting two groups: those who would pirate the game if it were completely unprotected but are too lazy to run a websearch (the CD check), and those who do possess all required skills but simply cannot wait to play the game with all available content (hence some strong encryption for the DLC). That's perfectly OK - from the viewpoint of a big company. But seeing legal owners applaud it for that decision is a bit strange.Basically you're praising them for loosening your shackles a bit.

Modifié par T0paze, 14 décembre 2009 - 05:09 .

[Marvin TPA]

Great move by EA letting this game out of the gate without any nasty copy protection rootkit stuff. That evil "security" stuff has nearly (but not actually) pushed me toward pirate versions just because I hate it so much.

CD check = no problem.

In times of yore you had to put a CD into a drive to listen to the music. Back in ancient history you had to turn an LP (Like a big groovy cd) over half way through playing.

Now as an exercise the youngsters should try and imagine loading a game from an audio cassette (like an ipod that only holds 12 songs that you have to put in a huge machine to make work.). I think the interweb would boil with rage if anyone had to do that now.



Brackets aren't just for emoticons (might have got carried away with them though).

[Lord Chaos]

Torias wrote...

I'm sorry, but you're just wrong.

Your social circle may tend to be more computer literate than normal.

This has nothing to do with computer literacy or lack of same. People KNOW this is in games already and if they're prone to copy their games then they would know how to get them already or SOMEONE in their circle will, its so easy its not even funny.

1. DA:O is NOT going to be peoples first computer game.
2. DA:O is a fairly complex game, so it lends to already intelligent people already, you won't find grandma buying DA:O to play.

The game has simple copy protection: The CD must be in the drive to play the game (for retail copies). This stops casual piracy from users who do not know advanced technical methods of stealing software.

DA:O players are going to be fairly advanced and rarely completely casual. Bioware chose a very poor solution thats damaging for legit players...I am seriously sitting here considering to pirate the game and then store my origional version and then only play the pirated version so my collectors edition isn't damaged or scratched.

[GhostMatter]

GhostMatter wrote...

You can download the game and install it with the EA Download Manager if you add it's CD-ke to it.

[Lord Chaos]

[quote]DRM isn't going to go away, and companies aren't going to care about YOUR justification for it. If you don't like it, don't buy the product. If you pirate it instead, you should rot in hell.

If companies aren't going to care, why should we care about them? I am a very computer savy person on a 100/100 Mbit connection...do you know how long it would take for me to pirate DA:O ? No time at all...I bought the collectors edition (with ruined map which is useless) to support a great game and support Bioware. But if Bioware doesn't care about its customers, then maybe I should reevaluate future Bioware games, hmmmmm?

Should I?

[quote]A simple CD check is soooo much trouble for poor little old you? Good lord how do you get through the day if you have to even open a door since thats even more effort? How about we just sit you in front of the computer and play it for you so you don't even have to lift a finger at all?[/quote]

Yes, because that makes for dozens of DVD/CD changing during the day. I can't leave a movie in if I am watching it as I have to take it out, then the DA:O DVD, then the movie DVD/Bluray back again...and all of it has to go in and out of their casings where scratching can easily happen.

[quote]BioWare did you all a favor by having a simple CD check and not using SecuROM or some other invasive scheme that could cripple your computer and yet you **** like they did something wrong.[/quote]

I would love if they had something like that. I've never had a problem with other such features as long as they allow to play without CD.

Funny enough other games have managed fine enough to make no-cd patches or not requiring the cd from the get go. Bioware could too, they just really dropped the ball of not offering this.

Anyone who wanted to pirate or copy this game has done so already, its readily available through a simple google search and its just "click and install" ready with all collectors edition features...so whats the point of continueing to punish legit customers.

Whats even more dumb is (I wanted to use that argument to the other guy, but ok, you'll do), that people pirate the game MORE because of this, as people are starting to advice people to simply pirate the game instead of putting up with the game CDs...and pirating the game is so very easy.

[quote]BioWare is in the right here, and I applaud them for it.[/quote]

Then sorry, I consider you worse and more damaging than a pirate.

[Lord Chaos]

GhostMatter wrote...

GhostMatter wrote...

You can download the game and install it with the EA Download Manager if you add it's CD-ke to it.

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