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Bioware, please tweak Reave to stagger Phantoms

Débuté par Guest_Air Quotes_* , juin 25 2012 10:05

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 10:05

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Reave stuns EVERY non boss enemy in the game: Troopers, Cannibals, Marauders, Centurions, Hunters, Pyros!

BUT NOT Phantoms! Why? It's so annoying. They keep running at you no matter what. And blasting you. Just 1 second out of cover with a Drell Adept for a Reave and you're down because they don't care at all. Pretty much forces you to take a Scorpion or Falcon to stagger those damn Phantoms. At least give us an 0.5 seconds. :unsure:

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 10:07

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Phantoms are boss tier enemies.

The end.

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 10:09

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Tokenusername wrote...

Phantoms are boss tier enemies.

The end.


Yeah. So why Stasis works on them? Exactly. They already have too much going for them. Damage, invinsibility, OHK. 

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 10:09

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Reave plus cluster nades, then run.

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 10:10

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Reave is fine.

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 10:10

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Not much can stagger the whole "Talk to the hand" thing.

Put enough dps on it and you'll break it's defence. From there wrrwrrrrBOOM it.

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 10:12

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Since they made the Scorpion a LOT lighter, you've got a reliable stagger tool right there...

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 10:12

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cly57 wrote...

Reave plus cluster nades, then run.


You can't even get them off. Reave, you're shot, clusters? You are dead in the middle of a throw. Not to mention, they go into that dumb "talk to the hand stance" and block em all unless you're NOT targeting them. What kind of logic is that? 

And cluster nades have a ton of force too. NOPE. Not even staggered. A Phantom weights what? 90 pounds? And she doesn't even budge. 

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 10:13

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phantoms dont usually bother me, today i pistol whiped one with my QFE. there were many lolz after

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 10:13

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You should take solace in the fact that they can't hand-block Reave like any/all projectile powers (or inferno grenades apparently? noticed that during Savage)

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 10:14

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Chealec wrote...

Since they made the Scorpion a LOT lighter, you've got a reliable stagger tool right there...


I don't WANT to be forced to take some specific weapon all the time. 

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 10:14

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Air Quotes wrote...
A Phantom weights what? 90 pounds?

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What do you think she's like 12 years old?

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 10:14

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Air Quotes wrote...

cly57 wrote...

Reave plus cluster nades, then run.


You can't even get them off. Reave, you're shot, clusters? You are dead in the middle of a throw. Not to mention, they go into that dumb "talk to the hand stance" and block em all unless you're NOT targeting them. What kind of logic is that? 

And cluster nades have a ton of force too. NOPE. Not even staggered. A Phantom weights what? 90 pounds? And she doesn't even budge. 


I have the upgraded nade gear and when I do that move it is when I see her but she isn't focused on me.  If she is focused on me, I retreat and wait for another chance.

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 10:15

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Phantoms don't stagger.

Modifié par CmnDwnWrkn, 25 juin 2012 - 10:16 .

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 10:16

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cly57 wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

cly57 wrote...

Reave plus cluster nades, then run.


You can't even get them off. Reave, you're shot, clusters? You are dead in the middle of a throw. Not to mention, they go into that dumb "talk to the hand stance" and block em all unless you're NOT targeting them. What kind of logic is that? 

And cluster nades have a ton of force too. NOPE. Not even staggered. A Phantom weights what? 90 pounds? And she doesn't even budge. 


I have the upgraded nade gear and when I do that move it is when I see her but she isn't focused on me.  If she is focused on me, I retreat and wait for another chance.


Well on Gold you don't have the luxury to retreat when there's 2-3 Phantoms comin at you. And not a single f** is given when you Reave em'. And you can't even detonate unless you are NOT targeting. But the game MAKES you target them most of the time. 

Modifié par Air Quotes, 25 juin 2012 - 10:19 .

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 10:19

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This is certainly a first priority for Bioware.

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 10:20

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CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Phantoms don't stagger.



Wrong.

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 10:21

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Air Quotes wrote...

Chealec wrote...

Since they made the Scorpion a LOT lighter, you've got a reliable stagger tool right there...


I don't WANT to be forced to take some specific weapon all the time. 


Fair enough - but Reave and Stasis are already about the only 2 biotics that can reliably hit Phantoms without them dodging or going into "talk to the hand" power immunity... on my AJA I tend to equip the Phalanx X and Disciple X with Cryo ammo - seems to resolve most of the problems.

Stagger/Chill with the Disciple takes a lot of the risk out of getting close enough to drop a bubble on a Phantom's head when you've Reaved it... though all bets are off if there are many Phantoms.

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 10:21

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Star fury wrote...

This is certainly a first priority for Bioware.


Yeah. It's not. But it would sure make Drells and Justicars more enjoyble. Now you hardly have a chance with Phantom aimbots and BW X mind bullets. 

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 10:22

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Air Quotes wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...

Phantoms are boss tier enemies.

The end.


Yeah. So why Stasis works on them? Exactly. They already have too much going for them. Damage, invinsibility, OHK. 


Stasis is specialised crowd-control ability, Reave is AOE high damage DoT. Phantoms don't get stunned by Overload, Sabotage, ED, they just ignore most of the projectiles. They are cool. Why Reave should be an exception? It's already a cool ability against Phantom, as it damages her while you're hiding.

Poor cerberus are already the weakest faction. Nerf the Phantom? No.

Modifié par tutzdes, 25 juin 2012 - 10:24 .

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 10:25

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tutzdes wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...

Phantoms are boss tier enemies.

The end.


Yeah. So why Stasis works on them? Exactly. They already have too much going for them. Damage, invinsibility, OHK. 


Stasis is specialised crowd-control ability, Reave is AOE high damage DoT. Phantoms don't get stunned by Overload, Sabotage, ED, they just inore most of the projectiles. They are cool. Why Reave should be an exception?

Poor cerberus are already the weakest faction. Nerf the Phantom? No.



They do stagger when ED hits them. And Reaves damage is nothing special at all. 6 seconds to do 700 damage? Really? 1 Paladin bullet does more in a second. ANd there is NO way to relaibly detonate Phantoms if you don't have Stasis. 

It's not a Phantom nerf. It's a slight Reave buff. I mean there are weapons that stagger with EVERY shot. What's the problem with Reave stagger? It's not gonna be easier. It would just give you time to get back in cover or run. 

Modifié par Air Quotes, 25 juin 2012 - 10:30 .

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 10:25

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Reave should not stagger Phantom's. It is fine the way it is.

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 10:28

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phantoms are not supposed to be easy. they are fine

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Tyeme Downs
Posté 25 juin 2012 - 10:29

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I feel your pain. However, all the gun toters think casters should only be there to support their shooting mooks faster.

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 10:30

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Air Quotes, Reave damage stacks and is unavoidable.
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