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Bioware, please tweak Reave to stagger Phantoms


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Many guys in these forums point people suggesting TC nerfs as crybabies whiners that are mad to be outscored by infillies even when they expose their opinion backed up with facts and reasoning.

Now I'm surprised that no one did the same for this thread and so many others calling for buffs or easier enemies. One could say that you are crying for an already extremely powerful ability to be buffed because you couldn't do well with it in one particular situation and want the game to be a cakewalk. One could even imagine a group of so called "buffers" and put you into it although you probably don't desserve it.

No offense intended but I just wanted to keep things in perspective, I think it's fine to discuss things and all but I'm getting tired of seeing some threads often with constructive discussions getting flooded all day with the same abovementioned childish arguments when unreasonable demands like this one backed with nothing more than "damn man, phantoms are sooo strong, I can't kill them with [insert whatever power here] ;(" pop out everywhere on BSN.

As for my opinion on this, honestly I think Reave is way strong enough as it is. Also as many people pointed out there are many weapons that are able to stagger phantoms reliably among of which the falcon, scorpion or GPS.

Even with my Batarian Soldier I can't stagger Phantoms on gold with ballistic blades 100% of the time and I accept the fact that there are abilities and weapons that can do it better and that I can't always go for blades into falcon punch for a guaranteed easy kill. If you don't want to use these weapons on your class to compensate and still can't deal with the evil phantoms fair enough. Just let your teammates take care of it for you, that's the point of team play.

Modifié par Dream-Maker, 26 juin 2012 - 07:52 .


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needless.

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LDStaredown wrote...

Phantoms are squishy, though. One stagger is all that is needed with a lot of guns.


Phantoms have the third highest amount of total HP of any humanoid unit in the game, beaten only by Hunters and Pyros. How is that "squishy"? Then what are Marauders? Centurions? Nemeses? Engineers? Made of paper?

Modifié par spudspot, 26 juin 2012 - 08:07 .


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Phantoms are already easily neutralized by many different weapons and powers. Plus, reave is already somewhat effective against phantoms, both as a primer for biotic explosions and for direct damage.

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I do agree that the drell could use some tweaking since it's rarely seen in gold and I admittedly prefer the Justicar. Though I'm not sure buffing reave is the option since it's still a beastly power designed to be used on tougher enemies. on an adept I'd suggest using a Hurricane/Hornet to keep the thing at bay when it has barriers. After that, I personally have no problem pull-reaving it and sending it permanently into the stratosphere. It's certainly a matter of timing with the drell and he doesn't have an easy option unless he's willing to equip a bigger weapon. Disciple has a very good stagger rate and is effective at middle range with a smart choke.

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CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Phantoms don't stagger.


I know biotic charge staggers them.

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Why do you want to stagger phantoms? Just kill them already.

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toastar wrote...

Why do you want to stagger phantoms? Just kill them already.


I do that. 

The problem is that I prime them with reave, they shoot me, you cluster them, they block it it because the game make you target them. You shoot em, they dodge and get insane DR. So you gotta reave and run around like a p***y half the time if you don't have cliche stagger weapons. 

It's BS that grenades get completely blocked. You can say whatever you want but it is BS. 

Modifié par Air Quotes, 26 juin 2012 - 02:38 .


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Reave is already one of the very best anit-phantom moves in the game. making it stagger would make it too good. Denied.

Now if you want to make overload stagger them if the neural shock option is picked, we can talk.

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Reave is already one of the very best anit-phantom moves in the game. making it stagger would make it too good. Denied.

Now if you want to make overload stagger them if the neural shock option is picked, we can talk.


Read the thread again. Because reave is not all that good against phantoms as a Drell adept. Eve with 2 stacks it takes 3 seconsds to kill em. 3 whole seconds! 

Modifié par Air Quotes, 26 juin 2012 - 02:36 .


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Air Quotes wrote...

DNC Protoman wrote...

Reave is already one of the very best anit-phantom moves in the game. making it stagger would make it too good. Denied.

Now if you want to make overload stagger them if the neural shock option is picked, we can talk.


Read the thread again. Because reave is not all that good against phantoms as a Drell adept. Eve with 2 stacks it takes 3 seconsds to kill em. 3 whole seconds! 



-Denied.

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I know why you're bringing this up ^_^

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xXdmndmnXx wrote...

I know why you're bringing this up ^_^


And why is that? :happy:

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Air Quotes wrote...

xXdmndmnXx wrote...

I know why you're bringing this up ^_^


And why is that? :happy:


DA, alwaaaays DA :whistle: ^_^

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I think tactical cloak should stagger phantoms

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molecularman wrote...

I think tactical cloak should stagger phantoms



I think the predator 1 should.

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DNC Protoman wrote...

molecularman wrote...

I think tactical cloak should stagger phantoms



I think the predator 1 should.

That would be good too

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xXdmndmnXx wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

xXdmndmnXx wrote...

I know why you're bringing this up ^_^


And why is that? :happy:


DA, alwaaaays DA :whistle: ^_^


LOL. Not always. I play everything. But it's just dumb how some classes get unlimited Phantom staggers, slowdowns AT WILL and some get diddly squat. 

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Air Quotes wrote...

xXdmndmnXx wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

xXdmndmnXx wrote...

I know why you're bringing this up ^_^


And why is that? :happy:


DA, alwaaaays DA :whistle: ^_^


LOL. Not always. I play everything. But it's just dumb how some classes get unlimited Phantom staggers, slowdowns AT WILL and some get diddly squat. 



Point is that the locust should stagger phantoms evey shot.  keep it focused here.

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Air Quotes wrote...

xXdmndmnXx wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

xXdmndmnXx wrote...

I know why you're bringing this up ^_^


And why is that? :happy:


DA, alwaaaays DA :whistle: ^_^


LOL. Not always. I play everything. But it's just dumb how some classes get unlimited Phantom staggers, slowdowns AT WILL and some get diddly squat. 


Yeah, i guess Reave could use with a bit of a capability to stagger Phantoms but then again, that would make the Phantoms a little weak no? In the sense they've already got some great counter-powers to be used against them, but they're the only type of enemy in Cerb that make said faction interesting ^_^

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Let's take a look at Cerberus faction shall we?

Assault Trooper - cannon fodder
Centurion - cannon fodder with some shields and smoke nades
Nemesis - what a joke. Most pathetic enemy in the game. Swarmer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nemesis
Guardian - free points if you have ANYTHING with piercing mod
Engineer - free points if you don't give him time to set up turrets
Atlas - weaker than either Banshee or Prime

Oh yeah, Phantom - let's buff this biatch to carry all of those losers. Lets give her a 3 shot kill blaster effective at all ranges, immunity, 90% DR while flipping, heavy melee that brings a Krogan to health gate and and insta-kill. All is good. Let's have Phantoms do ALL the work!

TIM you idiot, scrap your current squads and make only Phantoms. Moron, you will conquer the galaxy in days.

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Air Quotes wrote...

Let's take a look at Cerberus faction shall we?

Assault Trooper - cannon fodder
Centurion - cannon fodder with some shields and smoke nades
Nemesis - what a joke. Most pathetic enemy in the game. Swarmer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nemesis
Guardian - free points if you have ANYTHING with piercing mod
Engineer - free points if you don't give him time to set up turrets
Atlas - weaker than either Banshee or Prime

Oh yeah, Phantom - let's buff this biatch to carry all of those losers. Lets give her a 3 shot kill blaster effective at all ranges, immunity, 90% DR while flipping, heavy melee that brings a Krogan to health gate and and insta-kill. All is good. Let's have Phantoms do ALL the work!

TIM you idiot, scrap your current squads and make only Phantoms. Moron, you will conquer the galaxy in days.



He'll have no chance when I'm using my phantom staggering locust.

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Air Quotes wrote...

Let's take a look at Cerberus faction shall we?

Assault Trooper - cannon fodder
Centurion - cannon fodder with some shields and smoke nades
Nemesis - what a joke. Most pathetic enemy in the game. Swarmer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nemesis
Guardian - free points if you have ANYTHING with piercing mod
Engineer - free points if you don't give him time to set up turrets
Atlas - weaker than either Banshee or Prime

Oh yeah, Phantom - let's buff this biatch to carry all of those losers. Lets give her a 3 shot kill blaster effective at all ranges, immunity, 90% DR while flipping, heavy melee that brings a Krogan to health gate and and insta-kill. All is good. Let's have Phantoms do ALL the work!

TIM you idiot, scrap your current squads and make only Phantoms. Moron, you will conquer the galaxy in days.


He'll have no chance when I'm using my phantom staggering locust.


Go away from my thread. You are contributing nothing. Troll somewhere else. 

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I agree with OP. make them stagger

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DNC Protoman wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Let's take a look at Cerberus faction shall we?

Assault Trooper - cannon fodder
Centurion - cannon fodder with some shields and smoke nades
Nemesis - what a joke. Most pathetic enemy in the game. Swarmer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nemesis
Guardian - free points if you have ANYTHING with piercing mod
Engineer - free points if you don't give him time to set up turrets
Atlas - weaker than either Banshee or Prime

Oh yeah, Phantom - let's buff this biatch to carry all of those losers. Lets give her a 3 shot kill blaster effective at all ranges, immunity, 90% DR while flipping, heavy melee that brings a Krogan to health gate and and insta-kill. All is good. Let's have Phantoms do ALL the work!

TIM you idiot, scrap your current squads and make only Phantoms. Moron, you will conquer the galaxy in days.



He'll have no chance when I'm using my phantom staggering locust.


Trolling other people's threads really should stop.