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[BDelacroix]

The way I do it is to just decide that the star kid was bluffing or at best speaking without knowledge.

EDI and the Geth are fine. I might be fine. I'm not sure, but I look a little crispy.

[Eain]

@ Bill Casey.

Best mockery of synthesis yet.

[mashintao]

It is quite sad that, in order to have an 'ethical ending', we must deliberately fail at certain aspects of the game.

[devSin]

Bill Casey wrote...

HOPEFUL

You say 'hopeful', I say 'armageddon'.

When the circuit-board bears come, we're all going to die.

HOPELESS

[crimzontearz]

screw ethics

all that matters is Shepard is alive and with his LI

I'll sacrifice earth, the crew, EDI and the Geth to have that

[Fox In The Box]

Bill Casey wrote...
*ohgodsnip*


HOPEFUL

And right there is my recurring nightmare for the next 20 years.

I hope you're happy.

[MegaSovereign]

So what you're saying is.

We should kill off our synthetic friends, before the Crucible does?

That's almost as stupid as the catalyst's logic.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 26 juin 2012 - 12:09 .

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

I'd just uninstall the game, origin is bad.

[Iakus]

BDelacroix wrote...

The way I do it is to just decide that the star kid was bluffing or at best speaking without knowledge.

EDI and the Geth are fine. I might be fine. I'm not sure, but I look a little crispy.

Sadly, it sounds like EC will take away even this headcanon 



The only "ethical" way I could possibly jstify this would be if EDI and the geth sacrifice themselves in Destroy somehow.  I don't know how, maybe cheer Shepard on, saying it's the right thing to do.  Or charge the Reapers in some final "hold the line" action.  I dunno.

The Mass Effect team seems to really want Shepard to commit suicide.  Screw player choice and preferences, this is ART we're talking about!  

[Goneaviking]

SuperVulcan wrote...

Shepard does not commit genocide during the events off Arrival.

Technically he does.

[Ryzaki]

There is no ethical good endings in this game save Control.

It's mind rape but hell it's the Reapers. Who cares. Its about time they're on the receiving end of mindrape.

[Taboo]

Ryzaki wrote...

There is no ethical good endings in this game save Control.

It's mind rape but hell it's the Reapers. Who cares. Its about time they're on the receiving end of mindrape.

That would be a fallacy, and it makes you as bad as them.

Congratulations.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Goneaviking wrote...

SuperVulcan wrote...

Shepard does not commit genocide during the events off Arrival.

Technically he does.

Not if you uninstall Arrival or just ignore Hackett's "request."

Yes, it's sad that to have an ethical Destroy ending we have to deliberately fail certain parts of the game. This can only be done by either discovering these things accidently (like Legion), like I did once, or by metagaming.

It does appear that the EC is going to take away any possibility of the Geth and EDI surviving Destroy and this is only to make sure they could sell Synthesis and Control. Without the Geth and EDI in the picture would you pick Synthesis or Control? No ****ing way.

So the moral of the story is: See Mac and Casey? I can play that game, too. "You have failed. We will find another way."

[Iakus]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Goneaviking wrote...

SuperVulcan wrote...

Shepard does not commit genocide during the events off Arrival.

Technically he does.

Not if you uninstall Arrival or just ignore Hackett's "request."

Yes, it's sad that to have an ethical Destroy ending we have to deliberately fail certain parts of the game. This can only be done by either discovering these things accidently (like Legion), like I did once, or by metagaming.

It does appear that the EC is going to take away any possibility of the Geth and EDI surviving Destroy and this is only to make sure they could sell Synthesis and Control. Without the Geth and EDI in the picture would you pick Synthesis or Control? No ****ing way.

So the moral of the story is: See Mac and Casey? I can play that game, too. "You have failed. We will find another way."

Assuming I can ever bear to do another Mass Effect run, I'll probably have to do a playthrough where I never reactivate Legion or just sell him to Cerberus.

Then never speak to EDI 

All because of "Art" 


Edit: concerning Arrival:  At least there I can have Shepard try to save the colonists, even if he ultimately fails.

Modifié par iakus, 26 juin 2012 - 12:39 .

[Lillian Sword-Maiden]

-snip-

EDI -- I hated this, but taking her on the final assault gets her killed now. I saw this in a tweet. Or was it in the podcast. I don't remember.

-snip-

Wait.. Whoever you take with you in the final assault gets killed now? 100%?

Modifié par Lillyhime, 26 juin 2012 - 12:43 .

[Bill Casey]

Ryzaki wrote...

There is no ethical good endings in this game save Control.

It's mind rape but hell it's the Reapers. Who cares. Its about time they're on the receiving end of mindrape.

Control is detestable...
You are gambling with the universe on an act of pure megalomania and hubris that has no right to work out...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 26 juin 2012 - 12:45 .

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

iakus wrote...

Assuming I can ever bear to do another Mass Effect run, I'll probably have to do a playthrough where I never reactivate Legion or just sell him to Cerberus.

I think that may cost you quarian War Assets from not destroying the Heretics.

[Ryzaki]

Taboo-XX wrote...
That would be a fallacy, and it makes you as bad as them.

Congratulations.

Fine whatever. Not ethically good then. But in my view just fine. Not like they give a damn.

As for being as bad as the Reapers. Yeah no. My Shep didn't lol slaughter countless lives and turn them into abominations for shock troops and museum pieces.

@Bill: And Destroy would result in countless lives being ended along with genocide and Synthesis is a violation of every organic/synthetic being in the galaxy. Of the three? Control is easily the less contemptable.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 juin 2012 - 12:48 .

[Iakus]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

iakus wrote...

Assuming I can ever bear to do another Mass Effect run, I'll probably have to do a playthrough where I never reactivate Legion or just sell him to Cerberus.

I think that may cost you quarian War Assets from not destroying the Heretics.

A small amount, yeah.

But I don't want to get to know those I will inevitably betray.  Better to simply never learn about legion, learn that the geth don't all hate organics, never get to know EDI.

Kinda like Samara's philosophy of not getting to know any more about her quarry than she needs to.

THanks a lot, Bioware 

[kobayashi-maru]

I still think destroy is best ending. Shepard spends last few hours of game prepared to die only to have to sacrifice Edi and Geth instead. If relays can be salvaged why not some geth or even Edi data being recovered.
Through there sacrifice the species of the galaxy no longer treat new AI as a machine so no more cycle. Humanity erect statues of Geth, children get taught about them and newly planet bound Tali helps to rebuild Geth from original specs.

[Ryzaki]

@Iakus: Eh. I side with the Geth in the Quarian war and still pick Destroy.

It's sad but if the surest way to end the war results in genocide well...my Shep was more than willing to throw Earth and himself under the bus. It did help that most of my sympathy for the geth vanished once Legion killed himself and EDI dying is a perk if anything.

But that mass slavery, mass molestation, mass genocide pic put it best.

There's no ethically acceptable endings unless you're willing to bend your ethics. I bend mine so Control and Destroy are acceptable. Synthesis however is utterly repulsive.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 juin 2012 - 12:55 .

[Bill Casey]

On the plus side, maybe Bioware is completely wrong about synthetic life, that we can coexist just fine, and this game will just one day be seen as "super racist"...

[StarcloudSWG]

"The good of the many outweighs the good of the few, or the good of the one."

Destroy is ethical as it stands.

[Bill Casey]

It's better if the Geth sign up for the war...

[Iakus]

kobayashi-maru wrote...

I still think destroy is best ending. Shepard spends last few hours of game prepared to die only to have to sacrifice Edi and Geth instead. If relays can be salvaged why not some geth or even Edi data being recovered.
Through there sacrifice the species of the galaxy no longer treat new AI as a machine so no more cycle. Humanity erect statues of Geth, children get taught about them and newly planet bound Tali helps to rebuild Geth from original specs.

So the ebst way to prove that organics and synthetics can get along is to kill all the synthetics 

Somehow I would think having the geth and EDI die doing something heroic to save organics would be better.  Covering the retreat, maybe, or holding the line defendig the Crucible or...something.

 Let them go out in their own blaze of glory, not in Shepard's