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[Firmijn]

KingZayd and CulturalGeekGirl, are the two of you deliberately building a pyramid?

[Crusina]

Yep.

[Armass81]

If you dont want to kill anything or change evolution, choose control. It makes the reapers do something useful for a change, and only one who perishes is the original Shepard.

Modifié par Armass81, 26 juin 2012 - 03:39 .

[Transairion]

The short version of this thread:

Be Renegade

Don't give a damn about anyone but Shep, so no loyalty missions, Geth die, EDI has no rights. Renegades picking Destroy are instawin with no frets.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

KingZayd wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

They believe this in exactly the same manner you believe that picking anything other than destroy means everyone is still in danger. They have as much (or more) evidence that they have no choice but to reap as you have that only destroy will stop the reapers: none at all.

Both of you are committing genocide because you're afraid of the unknown, and you believe the alternative is total exstinction. Welcome to the club! you're just like them now.

Based on what? What their leader told you?


Erm, the advanced races are the one who can spread across the galaxy and reproduce, spreading their population among many worlds. It's the primitives who have far more limited resources. The advanced races experience a population explosion due to the abundance of resources. And then those primitives who survive? They get wiped out after they advance too. They may have been the many the first time, and the second time etc, but overall? The only ones who survive the Reapers are the ones that have remained primitive.

They're sacrificing every sentient race once they reach a certain point. No small sacrifice at all. At best, it's sacrificing the many so that that many others can come (and eventually be sacrificed too). This is certainly not the "few" being sacrificed by the "many".

We have plenty of evidence that the Reapers have been killing all those people over the last billion years. No evidence for the synthetics having done the same. It is YOU who is endangering the lives of everyone in the galaxy because you're afraid of the unknown (future of synthetics and organics). We are motivated by our fear of the known: Reapers.

The only reason you believe the red beam kills the Reapers is because their leader told you. Why do you believe the red pipe kills the Reapers when you have no evidence other than the Starbrat's? It's because you want it to be true, obviously... but you can be no more certain of that than you can be that any of other other options might or might not stop the reapers.

If you believe that shooting a random red pipe kills Reapers because a crazy ghost told you, I don't see how you can argue that you are more confident that you know what the result will be than someone else pushing a different button based on information from exactly the same person. That's completely nonsensical.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 26 juin 2012 - 03:52 .

[KingZayd]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

They believe this in exactly the same manner you believe that picking anything other than destroy means everyone is still in danger. They have as much (or more) evidence that they have no choice but to reap as you have that only destroy will stop the reapers: none at all.

Both of you are committing genocide because you're afraid of the unknown, and you believe the alternative is total exstinction. Welcome to the club! you're just like them now.

Based on what? What their leader told you?


Erm, the advanced races are the one who can spread across the galaxy and reproduce, spreading their population among many worlds. It's the primitives who have far more limited resources. The advanced races experience a population explosion due to the abundance of resources. And then those primitives who survive? They get wiped out after they advance too. They may have been the many the first time, and the second time etc, but overall? The only ones who survive the Reapers are the ones that have remained primitive.

They're sacrificing every sentient race once they reach a certain point. No small sacrifice at all. At best, it's sacrificing the many so that that many others can come (and eventually be sacrificed too). This is certainly not the "few" being sacrificed by the "many".

We have plenty of evidence that the Reapers have been killing all those people over the last billion years. No evidence for the synthetics having done the same. It is YOU who is endangering the lives of everyone in the galaxy because you're afraid of the unknown (future of synthetics and organics). We are motivated by our fear of the known: Reapers.

The only reason you believe the red beam kills the Reapers is because their leader told you. Why do you believe the red pipe kills the Reapers when you have no evidence other than the Starbrat's? It's because you want it to be true, obviously... but you can be no more certain of that than you can be that any of other other options might or might not stop the reapers.

If you believe that shooting a random red pipe kills Reapers because a crazy ghost told you, I don't see how you can argue that you are more confident that you know what the result will be than someone else pushing a different button based on information from exactly the same person. That's completely nonsensical.

False: Starchild never tells me that shooting the pipe will kill the Reapers.

[Ryzaki]

Nyoka wrote...

JShepppp wrote...

If destroy is "ethically okay" then wouldn't that make it too easy and favor it over the other endings? I was under the impression the endings should be equal but different, or at least that that was the idea.

Indeed.
Red spares Shepard, gets rid of the reapers, avenges all those people, wins the war. Geth and EDI die.
Blue kills Shepard, controls the Reapers, they're still around though... (damocles sword much?). Geth and EDI live.
Green kills Shepard, forcibly genewashes everybody, the Reapers are suddenly your bffs, hey, no hard feelings 'kay? Geth and EDI live.

So all have pros and cons.

Well looks like reject has Shepard tell the Reapers to STFU, loses, everyone dies, next cycle wtfpwns the Reapers.

So I guess that would be the most ethically okay ending.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

In the best case scenario of Destroy, you probably either committed murder or genocide (unless you're playing a game where the Geth are already dead, in which case you probably just committed murder... unless EDI is dead, in which case you can happily pick Destroy with no guilt.) We'll see if the EC changes that.

bold mine = goal

And that's what the thread was about: how to set up the best case scenario.

I know you weren't picking on me. And to others who were saying "you just get someone else to do the genocide?" Not exactly. You are setting it up so that the game has someone else do it. It's a bit more removed than that. Serious metagaming is serious.

* you destroyed the heretic base and did not allow Legion to upload any intel to the geth. It's easy not to have the para/ren conversations appear simply by not asking if he reached consensus. You just follow Thane Krios' morality that rewriting is the same as killing and just blow up the base.
* it's out of your control because you made a poor decision and used an unloyal Legion as your tech expert during the Suicide mission. YOU DID NOT KILL LEGION. As a machine Legion should never have been distracted from his task. That was BioWare's poor scripting. BioWare killed him.

You do not kill the Geth. You do not have the option to make peace. The Quarians kill the Geth.

And after EDI bites it (killed not by you but by Harbinger) on the final push to the conduit you are left with:

Control: Mass Enslavement; Synthesis: Galactic-wide Eugenics; Destroy: Dead Reapers.

And yes, when Shepard asks on the Destroy ending, "but the Reapers will be destroyed?" Starbrat answers "Yes."