[quote]BlueStorm83 wrote...
Gonna go point for point on this.
[quote]Annelos wrote...
I'd say that the Extended Ending is quite good - nothing more but also nothing less.
I think that some people need to start to listen and accept facts - EE never meant to change the ending, it was created for the purpose of making ME series complete. People that claimed the Destruction is only acceptable option were already sugared by Bioware because EE does not show the fate of EDI and Geths. [/quote]
I don't care what it was meant to do, I care for what it should have done. In the EC Destroy ending, EDI's name is on the wall in the Normandy, with the rest of the dead. Since the Normandy is the place she lives, both bodily and processorwise, they'd know. EDI is dead, the Geth are most likely dead.
[quote]"Space magic" people - get a grip, whole Mass Effect world is a world of fantasy, thus discussion whenever something is "more" or "less" real, based simply on your fan hunch is irrelevant. That's how Bioware decided to end this trilogy and imo tey didn't do a bad job with EE - wish it was the original ending. [/quote]
"Fantasy" doesn't mean "Make up whatever you want as you go along." Fantasy has its own internal laws and rules. The Lord of the Rings is fantasy: doesn't mean that Frodo can fly the ring to Mordor on a broomsick that he gets from Planet Krypton. Hobbits have no power other than the ability to not die of high cholesterol at the age of 15. The Synthesis option, though now "explained" still has no basis in established game laws.
[quote]Synthesis in EE - now, I'm really thankful to Bioware that they've actually showed the effects of going for the "green" ending. I think large part of community got sick of listening or reading another "exceptional & well thought* conspirational fan-theories about Shep being indoctrinated and having a twisted trip served by the Conduit etc.[/quote]
It is good that they showed the outcome of the endings, and made the appropriate changes to scenes taht bcame before to make the epilogues make sense. However, Synthesis still violates the freedom and sanctity of all individuals everywhere, and stagnates all life by homogenizing it. Connecting all living races to "the wisdom of all races kept within the reapers" isn't even a step forward: the reapers came to harvest everyone at the same technological level. That's what the Cycles did. Now there is only one culture, only one way of thinking, and there is no possibility of change, as we know that "synthesis is the final evolution of all life" as the moronic starboy says.
[quote]To be honest, I'm pretty sure that even with EE no,2, some people would still be dissapointed with it and it prolly would be the same people that are discontent now...
ME series is an epic S-F +/150 hours of playing cRPG trilogy and ending it well had to be difficult.[/quote]
Not at all! Ending it well would be very simple. Here's what they would have had to do:
1: Shepard kills the Reapers, who never lose their arrogance, air of superiority, and unknowable nature and purpose.
2: There are varying degrees of success, and if Shepard makes the wrong calls here or there, Ships, Teams, Friends, Planets, and maybe even entire Races can be wiped out in the process.
3: If everything is done right, we can pull it out of the fire, win against all odds, and retire to live in peace in a free galaxy where everyone can make their own future.
4: If we **** up at every turn, we can get a Train Wreck ending, where we see everything we do fail, we see every friend die, we see every ship destroyed, and we see every planet wiped clean to start a new cycle.
5: And if we do it JUST RIGHT, we can get a Total Sacrifice ending, where Shepard and Crew all die in the process, but defeat the Reapers and give victory to the survivors.
In short, all we need is a larger version of the Suicide Mission at the end of Mass Effect 2, which was by and large the best videogame climax scene I can remember.
[quote]Still, ME3 is a game that in whole tries to finish all the plots in game and it deals with it well, thus there's no reason to make it even more packed with informations than it is now.[/quote]
There's a good reason for this: it fails to finish all the plots in game. It blatantly disregards plot after plot after plot, and then reveals a Deus Ex Machina, living inside a MacGuffin, who uses a strawman argument to justify a trans-galactic warcrime spanning around 90% of all time.
[quote]Regarding Shepard's death/sacrifice - I liked this dark theme in the ending. For every gain, there has to be a price and Shepard is always ready to payit when the time comes - unfortunately some of you don't want that and still whine that there's no happy ending there because Shep is dead or "just" heavily wounded. Screw that he saved whole universe from extinction
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Sacrifice in an ending can be great. But this isn't a Sacrifice: Shepard is already bleeding out. Without a chance to survive, you can't lay down your life, you can only use your death to a purpose. Shepard has paid the price, over and over and over again.
Shepard saved the whole universe from extinction? So wait a second, Synthesis saves everyone? It doesn't enslave them by forcing them to have a direct mental connection to the machines who were just butchering their families? Whew, that's good. Here I thought that was exactly what the Synthesis epilogue said. And Control doesn't leave the Reapers alive, STILL DECIDING what's good for everyone, relegating them to subjects or children, or even animals in a zoo? WHEW! I thought that's the general gist of what Sheaper said in the epilogue. And Destroy didn't murder EDI and the Geth? WHEW! Here I thought that all evidence pointed to exactly that happening. And Refuse doesn't LITERALLY KILL EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE??? WHEW!!! Here I thought I saw a future cycle woman telling a child exactly that.
And don't call us whiners.
[quote]Large part of ME ending and extended ending rant is fuelled by the fact that people don't want to part with it and they crave for more experience because the series was that good, but everything eventually comes to the end and we should all be glad (instead of whining all around the forums and posting stupid memes) that all three games were so extraordinary and of the top quality - it's something rare to see and proves the fact that ME is probably at this moment the pinnacle of cRPG's development - this game dwarfed every other cRPG before it.[/quote]
Uh, no. Poking clearly listed holes in something isn't whining that we just don't want it to go away. If you buy a cheeseburger, and there's a used condom under the bun, you don't "whine that you're sad that there's no more cheeseburger," you make a very legitimate complaint that something you likes and wanted is now ruined and disgusts you. Customers have all the right in the world to complain, it's how companies know how to improve their products and services. That's why they have Customer Service departments: to compile the complaints of customers and learn and improve from them.
Twice you've called us whiners now. It's not called for, nobody is making any personal attacks against you, sir.
[quote]Instead of whining, just accept that it's over and enjoy multiplayer, huge replayability, vast universe, free multiplayer events and DLC's, books avaible in the shops, coming DLC's etc.[/quote]
Enjoy Multiplayer: I do. Even though it's tarnished by the fact that no matter how valiantly my created heroes Samuel Berg, Kristen Wallace, J.J. Durant, Krin Delos, Morut Gil, Carl Morgan, Damius Balk, and many many others fight, something bad will happen to them. Either their good friend Emeth, the Geth infiltrator, will suddenly explode, or they will all die anyway when the Reapers just keep reaping, or suddenly the Reapers will be their burly protectors/oppressors, or maybe they'll suddenly have their brains directly plugged into these murderous monstrosities!
Huge Replayability? How is that true? No matter what happens, we get funneled into the same debacle of a Phyrric Victory: it seems like a win, but it's actually a horrible loss.
Books in the shop: WHY? Those same 4 endings will happen to anyone I come to care for in the books.
Coming DLC: Same reason. Why accrue more war assets, if all they will ever do is point me toward the same bleak end. And why should I PAY for them?
This is the THIRD TIME you have insulted us needlessly by calling us whiners. I am begining to take offense.
[quote]If you still think that your whole experience fro this series was ruined by the ending that just isn't epic enough for you, fine - do that.[/quote]
Do what? And again, it's not that the ending isn't epic enough, it's that it's still a badly constructed mess that ignores major plot points within the game and ends in one of 4 different forms of defeat.
[quote]Just don't try to state that you're objective in your judgement.
cheers[/quote]
I don't believe that you understand what objective means. BioWare can not be objective in their judgments: they made the game, of COURSE they're going to feel like it's a masterpiece. Competing companies will downplay it, and that will be their bias. Reviewers may be pressured by who their parent company is (refer to my often references to Jessica Chobot being an IGN employee and IN THE GAME.) ONLY the customers can objectively judge a product: they spend their money on it, have no input into its creation, and go into it with a fresh set of eyes. Saying that anyone who dislikes something isn't objective is being completely foolish.
If I had less class than I do, I would suggest you stop whining about people who simply have an opposing opinion to your own, but I'm far too good for that.
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I like your arguements and agree with EVERYTHING you say.
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