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[Bolt-Action]

Neko Hibiki wrote...

I'll just write a fanfic where everyone says "Someone, please come and save us now." and then Celestia and Luna come in, destroys the Reapers, turns everyone into ponies, and converts everyone to Harmony.

It'd make more sense now.

Really it would.

Lol that's a good one, let me try, let me try

Okay So, we have a transparent tot, who gives us three choices and....wait, chit never mind 

[3DandBeyond]

All dreadnoughts have Javelin Missile launchers. Javelin missiles release dark energy upon impact and even the toughest kinetic barriers can't withstand hits from a few of these. Reapers use kinetic barriers. Ships have thanix cannons, couple them with those that have javelins.

[TGiNcRySiS]

I started another playthrough the other night. I should have my head examined. I downloaded a ME2 save that had some different choices in it. Tali is the romance, she's not exiled, gave collector base to cerberus, all squadmates survived, full renegade etc. I just want to see how some of these things play out. Even if the ending still sucks and I know the outcome I still have some interest. Deep down on principle I shouldn't play this game anymore.

[3DandBeyond]

TGiNcRySiS wrote...

I started another playthrough the other night. I should have my head examined. I downloaded a ME2 save that had some different choices in it. Tali is the romance, she's not exiled, gave collector base to cerberus, all squadmates survived, full renegade etc. I just want to see how some of these things play out. Even if the ending still sucks and I know the outcome I still have some interest. Deep down on principle I shouldn't play this game anymore.

Well, I can't say there's no value in playing again.  I've started several playthroughs myself.  I just usually hit a wall because I know it's pointless.  I've seen a lot of different endings and even tried paragon and renegade for a couple and the difference is not enough for me.  There is no true paragon ending and as I see it even a renegade has reasons not to make the choices given, even if it's just selfishness.

[TGiNcRySiS]

3DandBeyond wrote...

TGiNcRySiS wrote...

I started another playthrough the other night. I should have my head examined. I downloaded a ME2 save that had some different choices in it. Tali is the romance, she's not exiled, gave collector base to cerberus, all squadmates survived, full renegade etc. I just want to see how some of these things play out. Even if the ending still sucks and I know the outcome I still have some interest. Deep down on principle I shouldn't play this game anymore.

Well, I can't say there's no value in playing again.  I've started several playthroughs myself.  I just usually hit a wall because I know it's pointless.  I've seen a lot of different endings and even tried paragon and renegade for a couple and the difference is not enough for me.  There is no true paragon ending and as I see it even a renegade has reasons not to make the choices given, even if it's just selfishness.

I agree its not totally pointless.  The save I downloaded is a complete 180 from my 2 ME2 saves.  So it will be interesting.  The only thing is I can't bring myself to choosing anything other than destroy.  I have not watched the other endings, I only know what I have heard.   The other 3 choices are just rediculous.  There really is no other way to put it.

I am going to play it slow just in case any DLC comes out that is worth a crap.  LOTSB was some badass DLC.  I will give them credit for that.

Modifié par TGiNcRySiS, 24 juillet 2012 - 04:57 .

[Bolt-Action]

In that case, just shot the little see-thru bas****
No choices

[3DandBeyond]

Bolt-Action wrote...

In that case, just shot the little see-thru bas****
No choices

This bring us to an image that I had way back when I first played the game and original endings and I thought this was horrible.

It goes along with the idea that the game has always meant if you choose, it's a choice between genocide, molestation, and godhood-this is more clear with the EC and I really don't see them as "appropriate" ways to end a game.  I don't care how old a person is, this is demented.

Well, I always hated the real kid in the game.  I thought he was just nonsense.  I hated him in Vancouver, in the dreams, and then when he showed up in a glowboy version, I hated him more.

So the game made me commit genocide, molest the galaxy, or turn my "good" Shepard into a dead god.  And with the added benefit that it made me hate a kid and talk about hating a kid, even if it was CGI.  I then played the game and didn't want to make a choice and tried to shoot the glowing version of the kid to no effect.  So, I just added to all the great things in the game and tried shooting a kid (the warped AI version of a CGI kid, but still a kid).  That didn't work, so I played it again and tried to shoot Anderson.  So, I tried to shoot my father figure, mentor, friend, and so on before I actually am forced to shoot him.  Ok, that didn't work I couldn't shoot him until the game made me.

Then the EC came out and now I will hate the real version of a kid, shoot my father figure, friend, and mentor, cause the guy that brought me back from the dead to shoot himself or shoot him myself, choose between genocide, molestation, godhood (which is why I shot one guy), or shoot the glowing version of a kid and cause the deaths of trillions of people as I commit suicide.  I have never played a more uplifting game in my life and I've played games about the aftermath of a nuclear holocaust.

[Bolt-Action]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Bolt-Action wrote...

In that case, just shot the little see-thru bas****
No choices

This bring us to an image that I had way back when I first played the game and original endings and I thought this was horrible.

It goes along with the idea that the game has always meant if you choose, it's a choice between genocide, molestation, and godhood-this is more clear with the EC and I really don't see them as "appropriate" ways to end a game.  I don't care how old a person is, this is demented.

Well, I always hated the real kid in the game.  I thought he was just nonsense.  I hated him in Vancouver, in the dreams, and then when he showed up in a glowboy version, I hated him more.

So the game made me commit genocide, molest the galaxy, or turn my "good" Shepard into a dead god.  And with the added benefit that it made me hate a kid and talk about hating a kid, even if it was CGI.  I then played the game and didn't want to make a choice and tried to shoot the glowing version of the kid to no effect.  So, I just added to all the great things in the game and tried shooting a kid (the warped AI version of a CGI kid, but still a kid).  That didn't work, so I played it again and tried to shoot Anderson.  So, I tried to shoot my father figure, mentor, friend, and so on before I actually am forced to shoot him.  Ok, that didn't work I couldn't shoot him until the game made me.

Then the EC came out and now I will hate the real version of a kid, shoot my father figure, friend, and mentor, cause the guy that brought me back from the dead to shoot himself or shoot him myself, choose between genocide, molestation, godhood (which is why I shot one guy), or shoot the glowing version of a kid and cause the deaths of trillions of people as I commit suicide.  I have never played a more uplifting game in my life and I've played games about the aftermath of a nuclear holocaust.

You can speak for me from now on 3D, you put your thoughts into completely understandable posts and they are right on, exactly how I and I know others feel.

It's the most depressing and reprehensible ending ever, which is why I usually vent my frustration on the glow boy as he represents the root of my problem.
Oh, you want to see your crew again? Nope, they betrayed you
Oh, you want to see your L1 again? Nope, also busy running away
Oh, you want to make a noble sacrifice WITH acceptable results? Nope
That's the one that gets me the most, if you can sacrifice yourself for a group of people but that group of people will either A) be tortured on a daily basis
become enslaved til the day they die
C) be disemboweled one by one
WTH!?! How bout I don't make the sacrifice and that group of people keeps on living exactly as they are now?!
Sheesh

[Seon]

About those endings. Do you all realize that BW has created in one swoop four new univerises to play in for them and us?

Blue, Shep takes over reapers; but what are the next stories, conflicts, next bad guys? What else is out there in dark space, or what threat could there be from the next galaxy? Still some story to write.

Red, Shep is alive same questions as above plus the great re-building.

Green, shep is everywhere, same questions as in Blue and Red; but is this galaxy too peaceful who will come along to stir the s&*t?

Yellow, a whole new play ground - are our favorite heros in deep sleep waiting to be re-awakened?

I know I may be pulling at straws here; but damn I wish I was in the writers staff room right now.

[JBPBRC]

Seon wrote...

About those endings. Do you all realize that BW has created in one swoop four new univerises to play in for them and us?

[...]

I know I may be pulling at straws here; but damn I wish I was in the writers staff room right now.

Ehhhhhh.

Considering that it was difficult simply to make major decisions matter more (Conrad Verner gets a finale to his storyline but Rachni / Collector Base just get tossed around wut?), I doubt Bioware will go out and actually do four separate games.

[sdinc009]

@Seon And do you realize that Bioware has repeated stated that this is the end of Shepards story. Mass Effect was always designed as a trilogy which means the story ends here. No 4 future universes to play in, and Mass Effect 4 is a wishful speculation. Sorry to burst your rainbow bubble, but according to MANY statements from Bioware this is game over. Mass Effect 4, Nope.

[3DandBeyond]

Seon wrote...

About those endings. Do you all realize that BW has created in one swoop four new univerises to play in for them and us?

Blue, Shep takes over reapers; but what are the next stories, conflicts, next bad guys? What else is out there in dark space, or what threat could there be from the next galaxy? Still some story to write.

Red, Shep is alive same questions as above plus the great re-building.

Green, shep is everywhere, same questions as in Blue and Red; but is this galaxy too peaceful who will come along to stir the s&*t?

Yellow, a whole new play ground - are our favorite heros in deep sleep waiting to be re-awakened?

I know I may be pulling at straws here; but damn I wish I was in the writers staff room right now.

Too bad my Shepard's conscience wouldn't let her choose those so she will never see those futures.

She wouldn't look forward to being the god of serial killers that have eaten people.  And wouldn't want to have to allow reapers to fight back if some people try to destroy them.
She woudn't force unnatural internal alterations upon all people in the galaxy and deny them the gift of learning, instead giving them knowledge from the perspective of a demented AI.
She wouldn't commit genocide and kill someone she helped find life (EDI) for the sake of expediency.
I wouldn't allow her to cause the deaths of trillions of people and to commit suicide in choosing the middle finger option of Bioware.

My Shepard's goal was the destruction of the reapers and an adherence to her values-concern for all life and not just those the writers say deserve to live.  She doesn't think that people that can't self-determine and are under reaper control of any sort are really alive.  She does think choosing one of her enemy's choices is wrong.

My Shepard says that she'd rather get a game over and won't let me buy any DLC or future ME product that does not allow her to find a valid way to win against the reapers in this galaxy and at this time. 

My Shepard may be bossy, but she isn't evil.

[AresKeith]

I wish ME3 had more time now

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Honestly, this ME3 should have been ME3: The Reaper War Part 1. There was no way to actually do a decent job of the story in one game. If we look at the series we may see a parallel (and please I'm being very loose here) between ME1 and The Hobbit. ME2 is some kind of ... well I don't know what the hell it is. The lead writer left in the early stages of it. So you could look at it as a stand alone story. ME3 really was more of a "Fellowship" because you're gathering your forces. Then Bioware crams "The Two Towers" at the end, and we never get "Return of the King". We get "Starchild".

This Reaper War arc needed at least two installments to be done properly OR one main installment that ended with the fall of Thessia, with TWO old school expansion packs. No Starchild. The story itself was too big for a single $60 - 70 game. That's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

I think after an epic finish like that, people would be content with letting the Mass Effect universe rest. The reason people are not is because ME3 did not end with that "Hell Yeah! We did it!" feel initially, but then looking around at all the damage, and all the losses. Even with a version like Gears of War ended "Yeah we won, Liara, but what's left for us." "We have tomorrow, Shepard. We have tomorrow." I think we could have lived with that, and put the series to bed.

We should have listened to the words of the mad prophet: "The end times will come, not with a bang, but with a sigh." It sure ended with a sigh.

[AresKeith]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Honestly, this ME3 should have been ME3: The Reaper War Part 1. There was no way to actually do a decent job of the story in one game. If we look at the series we may see a parallel (and please I'm being very loose here) between ME1 and The Hobbit. ME2 is some kind of ... well I don't know what the hell it is. The lead writer left in the early stages of it. So you could look at it as a stand alone story. ME3 really was more of a "Fellowship" because you're gathering your forces. Then Bioware crams "The Two Towers" at the end, and we never get "Return of the King". We get "Starchild".

This Reaper War arc needed at least two installments to be done properly OR one main installment that ended with the fall of Thessia, with TWO old school expansion packs. No Starchild. The story itself was too big for a single $60 - 70 game. That's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

I think after an epic finish like that, people would be content with letting the Mass Effect universe rest. The reason people are not is because ME3 did not end with that "Hell Yeah! We did it!" feel initially, but then looking around at all the damage, and all the losses. Even with a version like Gears of War ended "Yeah we won, Liara, but what's left for us." "We have tomorrow, Shepard. We have tomorrow." I think we could have lived with that, and put the series to bed.

We should have listened to the words of the mad prophet: "The end times will come, not with a bang, but with a sigh." It sure ended with a sigh.

I would have gladly waited an extra year or few months and for it to be a 2 disc game, because the whole thing feels rushed and incomplete, because it is and Bioware doesn't want to admit it

[TGiNcRySiS]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Honestly, this ME3 should have been ME3: The Reaper War Part 1. There was no way to actually do a decent job of the story in one game. If we look at the series we may see a parallel (and please I'm being very loose here) between ME1 and The Hobbit. ME2 is some kind of ... well I don't know what the hell it is. The lead writer left in the early stages of it. So you could look at it as a stand alone story. ME3 really was more of a "Fellowship" because you're gathering your forces. Then Bioware crams "The Two Towers" at the end, and we never get "Return of the King". We get "Starchild".

This Reaper War arc needed at least two installments to be done properly OR one main installment that ended with the fall of Thessia, with TWO old school expansion packs. No Starchild. The story itself was too big for a single $60 - 70 game. That's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

I think after an epic finish like that, people would be content with letting the Mass Effect universe rest. The reason people are not is because ME3 did not end with that "Hell Yeah! We did it!" feel initially, but then looking around at all the damage, and all the losses. Even with a version like Gears of War ended "Yeah we won, Liara, but what's left for us." "We have tomorrow, Shepard. We have tomorrow." I think we could have lived with that, and put the series to bed.

We should have listened to the words of the mad prophet: "The end times will come, not with a bang, but with a sigh." It sure ended with a sigh.

They could have easily stretched this game out to more than 3 games.  I don't really understand why they didn't.  I do think Shepard's story did need to end but that doesn't mean the series had to end.  They could have went in several directions.  Maybe ME3 doesn't have a happy ending but another hero steps up.  Who know anyhting is better than how it ended.

[AresKeith]

TGiNcRySiS wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Honestly, this ME3 should have been ME3: The Reaper War Part 1. There was no way to actually do a decent job of the story in one game. If we look at the series we may see a parallel (and please I'm being very loose here) between ME1 and The Hobbit. ME2 is some kind of ... well I don't know what the hell it is. The lead writer left in the early stages of it. So you could look at it as a stand alone story. ME3 really was more of a "Fellowship" because you're gathering your forces. Then Bioware crams "The Two Towers" at the end, and we never get "Return of the King". We get "Starchild".

This Reaper War arc needed at least two installments to be done properly OR one main installment that ended with the fall of Thessia, with TWO old school expansion packs. No Starchild. The story itself was too big for a single $60 - 70 game. That's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

I think after an epic finish like that, people would be content with letting the Mass Effect universe rest. The reason people are not is because ME3 did not end with that "Hell Yeah! We did it!" feel initially, but then looking around at all the damage, and all the losses. Even with a version like Gears of War ended "Yeah we won, Liara, but what's left for us." "We have tomorrow, Shepard. We have tomorrow." I think we could have lived with that, and put the series to bed.

We should have listened to the words of the mad prophet: "The end times will come, not with a bang, but with a sigh." It sure ended with a sigh.

They could have easily stretched this game out to more than 3 games.  I don't really understand why they didn't.  I do think Shepard's story did need to end but that doesn't mean the series had to end.  They could have went in several directions.  Maybe ME3 doesn't have a happy ending but another hero steps up.  Who know anyhting is better than how it ended.

actually Bioware wants to do more Mass Effect just not with Shepard

[TGiNcRySiS]

AresKeith wrote...

TGiNcRySiS wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Honestly, this ME3 should have been ME3: The Reaper War Part 1. There was no way to actually do a decent job of the story in one game. If we look at the series we may see a parallel (and please I'm being very loose here) between ME1 and The Hobbit. ME2 is some kind of ... well I don't know what the hell it is. The lead writer left in the early stages of it. So you could look at it as a stand alone story. ME3 really was more of a "Fellowship" because you're gathering your forces. Then Bioware crams "The Two Towers" at the end, and we never get "Return of the King". We get "Starchild".

This Reaper War arc needed at least two installments to be done properly OR one main installment that ended with the fall of Thessia, with TWO old school expansion packs. No Starchild. The story itself was too big for a single $60 - 70 game. That's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

I think after an epic finish like that, people would be content with letting the Mass Effect universe rest. The reason people are not is because ME3 did not end with that "Hell Yeah! We did it!" feel initially, but then looking around at all the damage, and all the losses. Even with a version like Gears of War ended "Yeah we won, Liara, but what's left for us." "We have tomorrow, Shepard. We have tomorrow." I think we could have lived with that, and put the series to bed.

We should have listened to the words of the mad prophet: "The end times will come, not with a bang, but with a sigh." It sure ended with a sigh.

They could have easily stretched this game out to more than 3 games.  I don't really understand why they didn't.  I do think Shepard's story did need to end but that doesn't mean the series had to end.  They could have went in several directions.  Maybe ME3 doesn't have a happy ending but another hero steps up.  Who know anyhting is better than how it ended.

actually Bioware wants to do more Mass Effect just not with Shepard

Well that's fine but at this moment in time people are pretty pissed off.  They will have to release some really good DLC for starters.  If I were them I would at least make the next one free.  I don't count the MP or EC as the "free" DLCs.  Second which has nothing to do with ME, DA3 or whatever big title comes next needs to be pretty epic and this goes especially for DA3 cuz DA2 was garbage followed by SWTOR(trash) and ME3(trash ending).  If they want to rebound they will need to pull out all the stops.

And on a side note if Bioware reads this.  People will pirate your games more if you can't fix whatever your problem is.  I hate software pirates but they are a part of the gaming community.  Personally DAO was one of my favorite games, DA2 stunk so now instead of pre-ordering I will wait and see the reviews and player reviews and if that looks good I will also wait for a sale and the game is a little older.  YOU WILL NOT GET FULL RETAIL FORM ME AGAIN.  That is how exact my revenge if I decide to buy a product of yours again.

Modifié par TGiNcRySiS, 24 juillet 2012 - 09:10 .

[johnj1979]

TGiNcRySiS wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Honestly, this ME3 should have been ME3: The Reaper War Part 1. There was no way to actually do a decent job of the story in one game. If we look at the series we may see a parallel (and please I'm being very loose here) between ME1 and The Hobbit. ME2 is some kind of ... well I don't know what the hell it is. The lead writer left in the early stages of it. So you could look at it as a stand alone story. ME3 really was more of a "Fellowship" because you're gathering your forces. Then Bioware crams "The Two Towers" at the end, and we never get "Return of the King". We get "Starchild".

This Reaper War arc needed at least two installments to be done properly OR one main installment that ended with the fall of Thessia, with TWO old school expansion packs. No Starchild. The story itself was too big for a single $60 - 70 game. That's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

I think after an epic finish like that, people would be content with letting the Mass Effect universe rest. The reason people are not is because ME3 did not end with that "Hell Yeah! We did it!" feel initially, but then looking around at all the damage, and all the losses. Even with a version like Gears of War ended "Yeah we won, Liara, but what's left for us." "We have tomorrow, Shepard. We have tomorrow." I think we could have lived with that, and put the series to bed.

We should have listened to the words of the mad prophet: "The end times will come, not with a bang, but with a sigh." It sure ended with a sigh.

They could have easily stretched this game out to more than 3 games.  I don't really understand why they didn't.  I do think Shepard's story did need to end but that doesn't mean the series had to end.  They could have went in several directions.  Maybe ME3 doesn't have a happy ending but another hero steps up.  Who know anyhting is better than how it ended.

That's right becuase I have thought that before they added the "Extended Cut".

Mass Effect 3.1 - What happened between Mass Effect 2 and 3
Mass Effect 3.2 - The before "Extended Cut" version of Mass Effect 3
Mass Effect 3.3 - Shepard wakes up from the Reaper atttack, escapes Earth, finds crew, weapons and technology to defeat the Reapers once and for all.

[BlueStorm83]

Seon wrote...

About those endings. Do you all realize that BW has created in one swoop four new univerises to play in for them and us?

Blue, Shep takes over reapers; but what are the next stories, conflicts, next bad guys? What else is out there in dark space, or what threat could there be from the next galaxy? Still some story to write.

Red, Shep is alive same questions as above plus the great re-building.

Green, shep is everywhere, same questions as in Blue and Red; but is this galaxy too peaceful who will come along to stir the s&*t?

Yellow, a whole new play ground - are our favorite heros in deep sleep waiting to be re-awakened?

I know I may be pulling at straws here; but damn I wish I was in the writers staff room right now.

---  No, they can't possibly follow up ANY of the endings, otherwise they remove the validity of the other 3.  And they can't possibly make games for all 4 possibilities.

Now if you'll excuse me, I ate too many tacos for lunch, and I have to head to the "Writers staff room."

[AresKeith]

TGiNcRySiS wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

TGiNcRySiS wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Honestly, this ME3 should have been ME3: The Reaper War Part 1. There was no way to actually do a decent job of the story in one game. If we look at the series we may see a parallel (and please I'm being very loose here) between ME1 and The Hobbit. ME2 is some kind of ... well I don't know what the hell it is. The lead writer left in the early stages of it. So you could look at it as a stand alone story. ME3 really was more of a "Fellowship" because you're gathering your forces. Then Bioware crams "The Two Towers" at the end, and we never get "Return of the King". We get "Starchild".

This Reaper War arc needed at least two installments to be done properly OR one main installment that ended with the fall of Thessia, with TWO old school expansion packs. No Starchild. The story itself was too big for a single $60 - 70 game. That's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

I think after an epic finish like that, people would be content with letting the Mass Effect universe rest. The reason people are not is because ME3 did not end with that "Hell Yeah! We did it!" feel initially, but then looking around at all the damage, and all the losses. Even with a version like Gears of War ended "Yeah we won, Liara, but what's left for us." "We have tomorrow, Shepard. We have tomorrow." I think we could have lived with that, and put the series to bed.

We should have listened to the words of the mad prophet: "The end times will come, not with a bang, but with a sigh." It sure ended with a sigh.

They could have easily stretched this game out to more than 3 games.  I don't really understand why they didn't.  I do think Shepard's story did need to end but that doesn't mean the series had to end.  They could have went in several directions.  Maybe ME3 doesn't have a happy ending but another hero steps up.  Who know anyhting is better than how it ended.

actually Bioware wants to do more Mass Effect just not with Shepard

Well that's fine but at this moment in time people are pretty pissed off.  They will have to release some really good DLC for starters.  If I were them I would at least make the next one free.  I don't count the MP or EC as the "free" DLCs.  Second which has nothing to do with ME, DA3 or whatever big title comes next needs to be pretty epic and this goes especially for DA3 cuz DA2 was garbage followed by SWTOR(trash) and ME3(trash ending).  If they want to rebound they will need to pull out all the stops.

And on a side note if Bioware reads this.  People will pirate your games more if you can't fix whatever your problem is.  I hate software pirates but they are a part of the gaming community.  Personally DAO was one of my favorite games, DA2 stunk so now instead of pre-ordering I will wait and see the reviews and player reviews and if that looks good I will also wait for a sale and the game is a little older.  YOU WILL NOT GET FULL RETAIL FORM ME AGAIN.  That is how exact my revenge if I decide to buy a product of yours again.

yea I didn't count EC as DLC either and the only MP DLC I'll count is if its a new game mode

and because of whats happened now, Bioware kinda ruined me buying DA3 lol

[zxkataklysmz]

I would think that Shepard and the rest of the galaxy can survive the rejection ending if you have all the war assets possible to gain in me3 (krograns, geth/quarian peace, terminus system fleet(pirates and mercs), and much more).

[chasemme]

Open-ended was always the way to go in my opinion. A crew reunion or a guaranteed surviving Shepard was never a requirement for me, and given how unique everyones' stories were, I'm ok with a lot of interpretation at the end rather than them trying to accommodate all of us. They just tried to do open-ended without giving us QUITE enough to run with.

I don't see the point in arguing with the 3 options. If that's what the crucible can do, saying its not fair since you wouldn't agree to kill all geth isn't really your call. (Though I kinda always assumed that the Crucible was another trap by the reapers, like all other technology)

Then people have an issue with the refuse choice not having a victory option. This isn't the reapers' first rodeo, the pattern has repeated itself more times than you can fathom. Even with stopping Sovereign and getting some of his technology, no one believed the threat or prepared appropriately. I wish they'd had the same quality of epilogue for that choice though.

I was happy enough to get a final goodbye to my last squad, but (though maybe it was just me) all I REALLY wanted was to see my war assets in action. Win or lose, I didn't really care about an interview with the kid or the origin of the reapers, or any of that crap. For me, at least, the EC kinda missed the point.

Kudos to Bioware for making a game I care enough to post about, and free dlc in an attempt to respond to concerns (that I don't know how much they actually read through) is still nice, I just feel like they addressed the one aspect of the ending that I really didn't care about to begin with. 4th option was nice and I felt like all the bases were covered on the final choice, bigger cinematic on the charge was appreciated, but beyond that. Would have rather seen Aralakh company charging, or Zaeed with his newly-repaired Jessie, or the Destiny Ascension I saved actually fighting something than just having a lot of the freedom for interpretation I was given taken back (What happens after the Crucible goes off wasn't something I wanted directly addressed, and reapers were far scarier as the unknowable enemy they were in 1).

Modifié par chasemme, 24 juillet 2012 - 11:22 .

[BlueStorm83]

--- If you have no LI, they put the plaque into a buddy's hands. Even if you don't actually romance someone, they keep a running "Buddy count" based on how often you chat, who you take on missions, things like that.

--- Open ended is fine. But remember, this is a videogame. And games are played to be won.

--- Saying "Well, that's what the crucible does, so there's no point arguing" is bunk. That's what the crucible does, that's okay. But who made the crucible? We don't know who? No no, not in the game. Who actually came up with it? Why, that was BioWare, of course. Someone said, "Let's have this bigass MacGuffin that can kill the Reapers, even though we said that "Shepard won't find some long lost Reaper off switch." Then let's have that MacGuffin only have options that are each horrible in their own right. Lets have it where it's impossible to have a complete victory, because if that's what we do, then everyone will consider that to be 'THE ending,' and it'll invalidate any lesser compromise or losing endings." SHEPARD standing there and complaining about the Crucible wouldn't make sense, nor would it be proper. But WE, we who have supported the series, WE have all right to say "We did not like this Crucible, good sirs!"

Remember that: When Mass Effect 1 came out, WE bought it. Without that revenue, there would never have been a Mass Effect 2. Then we bought that. They made things we liked, and we rewarded them with Currency for it. Mass Effect 3 is like our child; scratch that, if I'm going to follow the analogy, We had a baby with Mass Effect 1, and that baby was Mass Effect 2. Then we had a baby with Mass Effect 2. And that makes you people SICK.

But back to the topic, ME3 owes its existence to us at two separate junctions. BioWare does not cross their arms and nod, a'la I Dream of Jeannie, and Video Games appear in a puff of smoke. They say, "we have ideas that we came up with. We also have money that people gave us for our previous game. By those powers combined, we create a New Game." So when ME3 is broken, we can, and did, call them on it. Now that ME3 is fixed, we can say "You may have fixed your game, but now it's a functional disappointment." BioWare might not OWE us a victory, but by not giving us one, they're really only hurting themselves.

Think about that too. Let's say that ME3 never gets a true Victory Ending. There are some people who will not buy the next game they make. I am one of those people. So are a few others here, so are others I know in reality. Me and those other people, what do we lose? Nothing; we can all buy different games. I for one have plenty lined up, games like Assassin's Creed 3 and Borderlands 2 and the PC version of Awesomenauts, that Dishonored dealy that Bethesda is making, some new jazz I saw called "Watchdogs," and many others. But does BioWare get my money when I buy those other games? No. So they lose revenue and sales.

I work in Retail at a Garden Center. We're a small, family owned operation. But our customers love us. Why is that? Because 1) when they come in and ask for input, I give it to them, right then and there, 2) when they want a product that we're out of stock of, I put in a special order, 3) if they tell me a product we have on the shelf sucks, I stop carrying it and get something that WORKS. I don't do all that because I LOVE my customers and they're all my Bestest Friends. Frankly, I can't stand many of my customers. But I talk to them and smile and listen to their stories and give them what they want because that's GOOD BUSINESS. It builds customer loyalty and ensure me future sales, while at the same time it ensures THEM a quality product and experience. We're in a symbiotic relationship. If I **** up and ****** them off, they go somewhere else. And that's bad for me.