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[TGiNcRySiS]

Mastone wrote...

I am surprised people still care tbh, in the beginning I was saddened because I wished against common sense that they would end it with a bang.
But let's be fair guys in order for something to be a succes everything has to fall together during production; maybe the artists were sick of modeling the same characters again, the storywriters were dried up after months of meetings and revisions, or maybe corporate culture is winning terrain within Bioware.........who knows?...and who cares really?
As the people @Bioware should know they are being judged by the endresult and I think that they know it ( even if it's deep down) wasn't good to say the least.
Now I am not a typical gamers gamer, I just enjoy good solid stories which drag me into a world, which ME1 did, ME2 was much less and ME3 was vanilla and lost it bigtime, the only good level was Tuchanka, it is also the only thing I remember from ME3 and of course the crap (EC) endings.
But it doesn't matter anymore, they made their game and stand behind it and meanwhile work on an online starwars game that no one really digs anymore and costed miljons upon miljons....what can go wrong?
I am hoping that Eidos will finish Thief4 and stay true to it's original spirit since KOTOR 3 is most definitely not coming anytime soon.....

You are surprised people still care?  Well I have been through 3 games and a bunch of DLC.  I made choices and hard decisions.  I played each game multiple times and invested many hours.  Not to mention the money.  I was so looking forward to the end but didn't want it to end.  The game has been out since March.  It isn't even 6 months old.  I am going to care for a while because I feel robbed and so do a great many others.

[Captain McBuck]

3DandBeyond wrote...

because I heard in one of the books his eyes turned Blue like that after he came in contact with a Reaper artifact

Interesting.

In ME3 TIM went from a rather still idealistic humanity lover with a hedonistic flair-kind of like a lounge lizard with a purpose, to a crazed thing after reaper tech to fill his own desire for control no matter who he hurts even humans.

By the way I say tomato is the answer.

Yeah, in ME2 I got the impresion from Timmy he was more on the "Well Intentioned Extrimist" scale of things doing the wrong thing for maybe the right reasons, he and my shepard were polar oposites but he respected her and she respected him even if she didn't agree with how he was trying to get there then in ME3 he went bat**** insane, in fact you spend more time in game fighting Cerberus than you do reapers.

[3DandBeyond]

TIM had been a hero, so naturally they turned him into an insane megalomaniac at the end. It's the fun thing to do with heroes-either that or have them kill other heroes or have them die and let players watch the skin vaporize off of them or leave them to rot or gasp for air in a pile of rubble. It's a game and this just screams "fun!"

[ghostz82]

The new extended cut was exactly what we needed to shut up those people who were complaining and coming up with crazy theories. It's perfect in my point view even better then what I thought it would be. Now the crying and complaining can stop. By the way I really hope they release a mass effect 4 with Shepard in it even though I heard it won't happen since the next mass effect will be a mmo title.

Modifié par ghostz82, 28 juillet 2012 - 07:18 .

[kwits18]

i think the next mass effect will have Shepard as a legend and you will be able to pick your own species and it will have its own unique story to its own or the child of shepard maybe. i dont know yet. but hopefully they even make another mass effect! love this game

[Sheridan31]

BlueStorm83 wrote...

Sheridan31 wrote...

To answer your question: Where is the win ending?
Can´t answer the question since i do not share the implicated statement that a pure win is nessecary.

That´s the point. There is no right and wrong. There is simply your decision of what you consider right for you.

---  Hate to be Mr. Rebuttal, but I've got a few counterpoints.

5+4=X  What is the Value of X?
a) 8
3
c) Tomato
d) Genocide

No problem, if you have counterpoints. 

You want a clear definite win. Destroy comes near it but there is still the thread implied that synthetics will be created again. Also only indoctrination theory would make destroy to be the only possible option. Which again i have still a little doubt the indoctrination theory might be true but imainly i don´t think so, since the extended cut brought no new avidence for that.

To use your framework of a a,b,c,d questiono the ending to me is like:

Ok, make your own cake, what shell it tast like?
a) use 2 eggs, 3 strawberry, 1 package of suggar and no schoclate creme
 us 1 egg, 4 straweberry, no suggar and a package of schocolate creme.
c) no eggs, 1 strawberry, 2 packages of suggar and 2 packages of schokolade creme
d) 3 eggs, no strawberry, 3 packages of suggar and 3 packages of schocolate creme.

No right or wrong, shades of grey. Based on a different kind of question (exspectation) then yours. 

Again your point of view is valid. if you want a computer game with different forms (choices) of achieving a clear win... then i understand you being disapointed.

And you know... i could be completly wrong, too. Or more precisely... in a struggle of beeing indoctrinated....

Is Shepard waking up on London after presisted the indoctrination or is it the rubble of the citadel? and the indoctrinaten ended after TIM and Anderson...

Modifié par Sheridan31, 28 juillet 2012 - 12:39 .

[BlueStorm83]

Sheridan31 wrote...

*snipped down*

Is Shepard waking up on London after presisted the indoctrination or is it the rubble of the citadel? and the indoctrinaten ended after TIM and Anderson...

If there really is some form of a truth to the Indoctrination Theory, that actually kinda means that BioWare sold us a game without an end.

Yeah, I see your points to the other matters above, but still, in a game based SO heavily on player choice and player determination, to have an end where even 10% of the customer base can't find any victory means that they've missed the mark.  And the worst part is that they could have had an ending for everyone, based so heavily off of our previous choices and achievements, because this is the end of the story, as they said.  BioWare had stated that any further games would be prequels or sidestories, so they could have had endings where anything happened.  Could have had Humanity the only survivors.  Could have had Humanity wiped out, but the other civilizations living on.  Could have had a Reaper Win ending.  We could even have had an ending where Shepard fails and The Illusive Man actually saves the galaxy, ushering in a Human Empire that controls every other species.  We could have had individual Survival/genocide scenarios for every species.  We might have had the current endings as options too.  Everyone could have had everything, and there's no pressure to have any canon ending because this is the (full stop) end of the line for the game's story.

All I'm saying, really, is that everyone should have gotten the game that they were waiting for over the past two years.  Everyone.

[Sheridan31]

BlueStorm83 wrote...

If there really is some form of a truth to the Indoctrination Theory, that actually kinda means that BioWare sold us a game without an end.

All I'm saying, really, is that everyone should have gotten the game that they were waiting for over the past two years.  Everyone.

Right, if indoctrination is true, we have a shepard breathing in london without a closure on the reaper. Is there another DLC coming? I doubt it, but it would be good to know to have peace and closure on this one.

And yes, it would be an ideal everyone would be happy, or at least... most of us.

[AresKeith]

I think its safe to say this lol

[BeastSaver]

The EC, as well as lowered EMS, has improved the replay value of the game for me. Previously, even though I played completionist on all three games, I wasn't able to reach 4000 EMS. Now, I can experiment with SP (don't do MP and have no desire to) to see what will happen, knowing that 25 points here and 25 points there won't be a disaster. For example, in the Destroy ending: Wrex dead, Genophage cured, Eve (Bakara) lives, Wreve as the Krogan leader = slide of Bakara and Wreve in a confrontation regarding the fate of the children (lifting the Krogan up vs. being used for galactic revenge). I think that if Eve doesn't survive, Wreve gears up for war. I also have heard there is an ending where no Krogan survive and the Rachni take over Tuchanka. I'll try to achieve that one eventually. So, IMO, we really have been given many different endings depending on who survives. I haven't really experimented with the Control or Synthesis endings and don't know how things may change there. And I'm looking forward to SP DLC!

Edited to add: I also enoy taking different crew members on missions who I might not otherwise take just so I can hear their specific dialog. I'm very much into the story rather than the battles, which is what got me hooked on the Mass Effect universe so many years ago.

Modifié par BeastSaver, 28 juillet 2012 - 08:54 .

[BlueStorm83]

Sheridan31 wrote...

BlueStorm83 wrote...

If there really is some form of a truth to the Indoctrination Theory, that actually kinda means that BioWare sold us a game without an end.

All I'm saying, really, is that everyone should have gotten the game that they were waiting for over the past two years.  Everyone.

Right, if indoctrination is true, we have a shepard breathing in london without a closure on the reaper. Is there another DLC coming? I doubt it, but it would be good to know to have peace and closure on this one.

And yes, it would be an ideal everyone would be happy, or at least... most of us.

---  Well, there IS the Leviathan DLC coming out.  And there's always the POSSIBILITY, that even 2 years down the road BioWare can add new ending DLC.  But as it stands, none of the endings are something I would want to do to the universe again.  Too much defeat mixed in with... I can't even say victory.  It's like, on one hand, the Reaper Threat is OVER, but on the other hand, we never really BEAT them, we just kinda... made them go away.  It's like when a kid doesn't face up to his bully, but rather punks out and tells the bully's parents.  Sure, the conflict is over, but the kid never really became a MAN.  And after doing SO much to get the Galaxy to grow up, in the end, we just go and tell the Reaper Daddy that they're being mean to us, and he shakes his head at us in disgust, and grudgingly agrees to get his kids to cut it out, because he knows our dad will call the cops if he doesn't.

The Universe ended not with a bang, but with a blah...

[Iakus]

BlueStorm83 wrote...

---  Well, there IS the Leviathan DLC coming out.  And there's always the POSSIBILITY, that even 2 years down the road BioWare can add new ending DLC.  But as it stands, none of the endings are something I would want to do to the universe again.  Too much defeat mixed in with... I can't even say victory.  It's like, on one hand, the Reaper Threat is OVER, but on the other hand, we never really BEAT them, we just kinda... made them go away.  It's like when a kid doesn't face up to his bully, but rather punks out and tells the bully's parents.  Sure, the conflict is over, but the kid never really became a MAN.  And after doing SO much to get the Galaxy to grow up, in the end, we just go and tell the Reaper Daddy that they're being mean to us, and he shakes his head at us in disgust, and grudgingly agrees to get his kids to cut it out, because he knows our dad will call the cops if he doesn't.

The Universe ended not with a bang, but with a blah...

It's not even that.  It's more like the bully says he'll stop beating you up and go away if you eat a mouthful of dirt (but you can choose which color dirt)  Okay he kept his end of the bargain, but you can't really call that a win.  None of the endings are winning on our terms.  The only one that kinda offerred that ("SO BE IT!") is just a "Rocks Fall" ending.

And oh, yeah, the dirt is toxic...

Modifié par iakus, 29 juillet 2012 - 06:25 .

[V-rcingetorix]

ME1 had closure; a stoic Shepard vowing as he strides past the camera that he would be ready. ME2 had closure; proud squad members helping repair the Normandy and exchanging nods with Shepard...and even a Joker scene.

ME3 has a multi-colored slideshow with a voiceover...prior to which is a dead Shepard. Slideshows are nice and all, but none of the slides showed a Shepard reunion. The story is what drove ME1 and ME2; story power drove ME3 (with bumps along the way,but still...) and cut out with a cliffhanger.

Future DLC? I won't buy until I've either seen it improve the ending. I'd probably even buy the "From Ashes" DLC as well.

~note, all opinions stated are strictly my own, and will be stood by me~

[The Twilight God]

TullyAckland wrote...


You may notice that in the “Shepard lives” ending, the love interest hesitates to place Shepard’s name on the wall, and instead looks up as though deep in thought. This is meant to suggest that the love interest is not ready to believe Shepard is dead, and the final scene reveals they are correct. As the Normandy lifts off, there is hope that the love interest and Shepard will again be together.

There can be no hope. ME3 is the end of the series. There is nothing after it. That's it. Shep bleeding out in a pile of rubble. The End.

For all intents and purposes Shepard dies in all 3 endings regardless of EMS. He ends at the Catalyst chamber in all 3. The difference being he kills his friend EDI, the geth and isolates the galaxy for a century or two since there are no reapers to quickly repair them. Destroy, from a metagamming perspective, is objectively inferior to the other two. So I kill allies and get what exactly to compensate for this from a player perspective? Nothing.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 29 juillet 2012 - 04:38 .

[The Twilight God]

iakus wrote...

BlueStorm83 wrote...

---  Well, there IS the Leviathan DLC coming out.  And there's always the POSSIBILITY, that even 2 years down the road BioWare can add new ending DLC.  But as it stands, none of the endings are something I would want to do to the universe again.  Too much defeat mixed in with... I can't even say victory.  It's like, on one hand, the Reaper Threat is OVER, but on the other hand, we never really BEAT them, we just kinda... made them go away.  It's like when a kid doesn't face up to his bully, but rather punks out and tells the bully's parents.  Sure, the conflict is over, but the kid never really became a MAN.  And after doing SO much to get the Galaxy to grow up, in the end, we just go and tell the Reaper Daddy that they're being mean to us, and he shakes his head at us in disgust, and grudgingly agrees to get his kids to cut it out, because he knows our dad will call the cops if he doesn't.

The Universe ended not with a bang, but with a blah...

It's not even that.  It's more like the bully says he'll stop beating you up and go away if you eat a mouthful of dirt (but you can choose which color dirt)  Okay he kept his end of the bargain, but you can't really call that a win.  None of the endings are winning on our terms.  The only one that kinda offerred that ("SOP BE IT!") is just a "Rocks Fall" ending.

And oh, yeah, the dirt is toxic...

The bully agrees not to beat you up if you do his algebra homework for life (synthesis).

[3DandBeyond]

V-rcingetorix wrote...

ME1 had closure; a stoic Shepard vowing as he strides past the camera that he would be ready. ME2 had closure; proud squad members helping repair the Normandy and exchanging nods with Shepard...and even a Joker scene.

ME3 has a multi-colored slideshow with a voiceover...prior to which is a dead Shepard. Slideshows are nice and all, but none of the slides showed a Shepard reunion. The story is what drove ME1 and ME2; story power drove ME3 (with bumps along the way,but still...) and cut out with a cliffhanger.

Future DLC? I won't buy until I've either seen it improve the ending. I'd probably even buy the "From Ashes" DLC as well.

~note, all opinions stated are strictly my own, and will be stood by me~

The story drove it and the characters drove the story and Shepard drove the characters, so Shepard at the end is where all heroes deserve to be: dead because they solved their enemy's problem or on a rubbish pile, faceless and alone.

Considering that Shepard alone could have replaced all the marketing people at Bioware because all they would have had to do was create a teaser with Shepard in it and people would buy it, it's only natural that Bioware would toss Shepard in the toilet and then drop some kids on top of him/her.

I think I know what quite literally would cause the most people possible to buy DLC for this game.  Two words as the title of it.  Shepard Lives.

[Iakus]

The Twilight God wrote...

iakus wrote...

BlueStorm83 wrote...

---  Well, there IS the Leviathan DLC coming out.  And there's always the POSSIBILITY, that even 2 years down the road BioWare can add new ending DLC.  But as it stands, none of the endings are something I would want to do to the universe again.  Too much defeat mixed in with... I can't even say victory.  It's like, on one hand, the Reaper Threat is OVER, but on the other hand, we never really BEAT them, we just kinda... made them go away.  It's like when a kid doesn't face up to his bully, but rather punks out and tells the bully's parents.  Sure, the conflict is over, but the kid never really became a MAN.  And after doing SO much to get the Galaxy to grow up, in the end, we just go and tell the Reaper Daddy that they're being mean to us, and he shakes his head at us in disgust, and grudgingly agrees to get his kids to cut it out, because he knows our dad will call the cops if he doesn't.

The Universe ended not with a bang, but with a blah...

It's not even that.  It's more like the bully says he'll stop beating you up and go away if you eat a mouthful of dirt (but you can choose which color dirt)  Okay he kept his end of the bargain, but you can't really call that a win.  None of the endings are winning on our terms.  The only one that kinda offerred that ("SO BE IT!") is just a "Rocks Fall" ending.

And oh, yeah, the dirt is toxic...

The bully agrees not to beat you up if you do his algebra homework for life (synthesis).

Shouldn't that be "The bully agrees not to beat you up if you spend all day computing pi", then?  

[Journeyman313]

TGiNcRySiS wrote...

Mastone wrote...

I am surprised people still care tbh, in the beginning I was saddened because I wished against common sense that they would end it with a bang.
But let's be fair guys in order for something to be a succes everything has to fall together during production; maybe the artists were sick of modeling the same characters again, the storywriters were dried up after months of meetings and revisions, or maybe corporate culture is winning terrain within Bioware.........who knows?...and who cares really?
As the people @Bioware should know they are being judged by the endresult and I think that they know it ( even if it's deep down) wasn't good to say the least.
Now I am not a typical gamers gamer, I just enjoy good solid stories which drag me into a world, which ME1 did, ME2 was much less and ME3 was vanilla and lost it bigtime, the only good level was Tuchanka, it is also the only thing I remember from ME3 and of course the crap (EC) endings.
But it doesn't matter anymore, they made their game and stand behind it and meanwhile work on an online starwars game that no one really digs anymore and costed miljons upon miljons....what can go wrong?
I am hoping that Eidos will finish Thief4 and stay true to it's original spirit since KOTOR 3 is most definitely not coming anytime soon.....

You are surprised people still care?  Well I have been through 3 games and a bunch of DLC.  I made choices and hard decisions.  I played each game multiple times and invested many hours.  Not to mention the money.  I was so looking forward to the end but didn't want it to end.  The game has been out since March.  It isn't even 6 months old.  I am going to care for a while because I feel robbed and so do a great many others.

agreed thts why im not buying anything from them again

Modifié par Journeyman313, 29 juillet 2012 - 09:08 .

[Journeyman313]

I sure hope their not expecting me to pay for any future dlc from them leviathan better be free ps I said on this forum a while ago tht I will pay 100 bucks for a happy ending, what I meant was a completely revised ending bigger, better no red blue green and no starkid.I will go broke for a better ending to bad they are too prideful to make another ending, they can make a fortune but as the ending is I will not be spending anymore money on them.

Modifié par Journeyman313, 29 juillet 2012 - 09:19 .

[Those Protheans]

Is terrible; discuss!

[Iakus]

Journeyman313 wrote...

I sure hope their not expecting me to pay for any future dlc from them leviathan better be free ps I said on this forum a while ago tht I will pay 100 bucks for a happy ending, what I meant was a completely revised ending bigger, better no red blue green and no starkid.I will go broke for a better ending to bad they are too prideful to make another ending, they can make a fortune but as the ending is I will not be spending anymore money on them.

I wouldn't go that far.  But if a story DLC provided one or more definitive (ie:  don't have to headcanon) endings where Shepard lives and is either reunited with crew and/or LI, or we can reasonably assume such a meeting is imminent, then I'd be willng to pay at least a few bucks.  How much would of course depend on the amount of content in it.

[TGiNcRySiS]

Journeyman313 wrote...

I sure hope their not expecting me to pay for any future dlc from them leviathan better be free ps I said on this forum a while ago tht I will pay 100 bucks for a happy ending, what I meant was a completely revised ending bigger, better no red blue green and no starkid.I will go broke for a better ending to bad they are too prideful to make another ending, they can make a fortune but as the ending is I will not be spending anymore money on them.

They are stuck now.  If they brought out a completely new ending that would make them look even more stupid.  They went with their "artisitc" style and stuck with that.  That's about that only thing I can give them credit for is sticking to their guns.  Even if it is trash.  The only way they can get me back is by releasing some good  mid-story DLC for FREE.  I am 1/3 through my 3rd and last playthrough.  It is a save I downloaded that was vastly different than my ME2 playthroughs.  I wanted to see some of these choices pan out.  No matter what I am always picking destroy because that is the only ending that makes at least some sense.  The only way I play a 4th time is a few FREE good DLC.don't think they will get any DLC out before I am done with this.

[3DandBeyond]

Those Protheans wrote...

Is terrible; discuss!

It's totally terrible.  Shepard the one that made ME what it was deserved far better from Bioware.  And Shepard is the avatar of the player so it very much feels like this was intentional.  And you can't argue with feelings.  I feel the need to see a decent ending for Shepard.  I didn't get one.  They ruined a game series, made my purchases pointless, and killed off some decent characters instead of allowing those characters to kill off the enemies of three games and get back home-in at least one ending. 

I liked the journey, never want to get to the final destination ever again, so I now hate the journey as well.  I cannot conceive of intelligent and caring people (and I believe those at Bioware are both) could think these are appropriate endings for this series and this hero.  In ME games/stories you include one possible ending that brings the hero and friends together and back home.  I'm not saying you show everything and I'm not saying you only provide a sappy happy ending.  I'm saying you include one happier one in a galaxy that is a mess for a hero who's never lived for him/herself, for those friends that lived through Shepard dying and that were better people for Shepard having lived amongst them, and for a galaxy that was the better for Shepard having been there.  You bring that hero home alive and let fans say goodbye.  You do that to show you care-for fans and for Shepard, for the game and for yourselves.

[babachewie]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Those Protheans wrote...

Is terrible; discuss!

It's totally terrible.  Shepard the one that made ME what it was deserved far better from Bioware.  And Shepard is the avatar of the player so it very much feels like this was intentional.  And you can't argue with feelings.  I feel the need to see a decent ending for Shepard.  I didn't get one.  They ruined a game series, made my purchases pointless, and killed off some decent characters instead of allowing those characters to kill off the enemies of three games and get back home-in at least one ending. 

I liked the journey, never want to get to the final destination ever again, so I now hate the journey as well.  I cannot conceive of intelligent and caring people (and I believe those at Bioware are both) could think these are appropriate endings for this series and this hero.  In ME games/stories you include one possible ending that brings the hero and friends together and back home.  I'm not saying you show everything and I'm not saying you only provide a sappy happy ending.  I'm saying you include one happier one in a galaxy that is a mess for a hero who's never lived for him/herself, for those friends that lived through Shepard dying and that were better people for Shepard having lived amongst them, and for a galaxy that was the better for Shepard having been there.  You bring that hero home alive and let fans say goodbye.  You do that to show you care-for fans and for Shepard, for the game and for yourselves.

Why don't you just get over it instead of posting here everyday? Do you actually think if you talk so much crap that you're gonna get what you want? Trying to shame bioware like a 3 year old would. "if you care about us you'll buy this super duper awesome toy for us. derp derp derp" Seriously you and 3D blueballs need to get a life. Go outside or something. Its over. 

[ham89]

ArchLord James wrote...

Well here's my two cents on the new endings, I have seen them all on livestream.

Overall, I am happy with the effort bioware has made, lets not forget they did this for free when they didn't have to (they already have our money remember). They seemed to listen to much of our feedback and addressed concerns like "why would joker flee?" etc. I applaud them for listening and the epilogues really make each ending unique now. A completely different feel for each ending is kind of nice. However, I am still sad that so many plot holes remain, like why would harbinger just leave and let shepard and anderson into the beam? How do crew members who you see dead on the floor after harbingers beam ressurect themselves to appear in the epilogue? There are still many plot holes, but at least they fixed some of them. The old ending was such a mess they could never fix all of them.

RED - Well, if you simply dont trust anything the reapers say and want to destroy them in the name of justice for the lives they have taken, and want shepard to live, this is the only option for you. You have to be willing to kill EDI and the geth though. This ending actually seems like the weakest of the 3 now that we understand blue and green now.

Blue - Shepard sort of becomes an immortal gaurdian of the galaxy, a God. Pretty nice ending I guess, because even though shepard dies to end the reaper threat, he lives on in a way.

Green - still a bit creepy, but the game pretty much forces you to see that this is the most beneficial ending for the galaxy as a whole. I like how they made EDI talk and say she is really alive it helped me accept and tolerate this ending for the first time. Now that we can understand the ending it is better. Even if it is still kind of far fetched and magic feeling.

Now before these endings I really fell into the camp of refusing and rejecting the reapers new solutions, and hated that we couldnt defeat the reapers we could only choose how they quit! Well, I really like that bioware gave us that option now, and I love how shepard says s/he will die knowing he died everything in his power to stop the reapers and he will be free from choosing the reapers solutions! Unfortunately, we also find out that this path causes the the horrific harvesting cycle to continue. I do like how the starkid shows his true colors when you pick this option too. He sounds like the true king of the reapers that he is when he says "so be it!". I guess I realize now, that even though I wanted the reapers to pay for what they had done to so many people, that thirst vengeance and justice was making me so stubborn that if I couldn't have it I would let the reapers win!

I guess in the end, my final verdict is I can live with the ending now, plot holes aside. I just think people need to realize, the reapers ultimately win the war. We just get lucky they agree to quit harvesting (the cycle), destroy themselves, or relinquish control of themseves, as long as we surrender to their terms. Kill the geth and edi, synthesize all life, etc. Based on these choices I guess I would say I prefer blue now since it comes with the least amount of reaper solutions being forced upon the galaxy. I just cant believe that TIM and Saren were right all along. So shepard was actually fighting against people with the right idea in ME1 and ME3. I guess I should have given cerberus the collector base at the end of ME2 after all.

I liked the ending! And to add to your point, the reapers in a way don't "win" more say, they are under control of a new commander (blue) or there is no difference between synthetics and organics (green) so they have no reason to harvest anymore. TIM's philosophy (as much as I thought he was a ba***rd in this game) was right, control is the means to survival (or along the lines of that). As sentient as the reapers were, they were still programmed, they were created specifically for the harvesting of advanced civilizations, and so no matter what that's what they had to do, they were merely tools for the first species that created them and decided "Let's kill all organics so they don't fight with synthetics." I make it sound stupid, but with their technology and not enough time because maybe they were currently in a war with synthetics, they just decided to make reapers, no other choice.  Overall, I liked the ending, it wrapped everything up, and the only thing I'm disappointed about is that it ended. It was probably the best video game plot and story I have ever played, hands down. Thanks Bioware! You did great.