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#4026
BlueStorm83

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Boydsan wrote...

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Hobnob1978 wrote...

V-rcingetorix wrote...

CSI: Criminal Synthetic Investigators

Yeeeeowww!


That's not as stupid as it sounds though. With the Geth as friends (if they hadn't been wiped out by the crucible) you have the perfect answer to rogue AI's.

Humanity has the police to protect and stop the individuals/groups who attack the rest of us.

WIth the Geth and EDI, we have friendly AI's that can teach new ones, for want of a better word, morals and also stop those who wish to destroy/attack others.

Just another reason why the Catalyst is either a) lying or B) completely insane...

I wonder if it went insane like HAL did in 2001? Told to do something it couldn't do... and went psychotic trying to resolve the clash, causing the reapers.

meh, speculating. ;)


---  Oh, the Geth weren't wiped out by the Crucible.  After Shepard uses the Crucible and... the endings happen... then Twitter gives the player the game's greatest weapon, the Head Canon.  Now fully armed, I fired the Head Canon at the Starboy, wiping him from existence.  Then we fought the Reapers and won without having to sacrifice our children to the devil.  Planets were in ruins, friends were dead, and the future was uncertain, as was already set up by the entire game, but at least there was hope for a free future.

The best part of the Head Canon is that it carries on, not just into any future Mass Effect games, but into any future BioWare game at all!  If Dragon Age 3 comes out, I don't need to waste 60 dollars on it.  I can just go into my inventory, fire up the Head Canon, and POOF, there's the final battle as the new main character, named ******, defeats the... Soul Slavers and saves the city of... Ghonoria from beign destroyed in... the **** Storm.  Incredible the weapon that BioWare gave us in ME3.  Because if I have to make up the ending, I might as well MAKE UP THE WHOLE DAMN GAME.


:sick:

Ever hear the quote:

It’s not the end that matters, but the journey.



Here’s an age old riddle that says allot about the way individuals live their lives these days. It goes something like this, “Imagine I have an egg and I want to drop this egg three feet without breaking it.


How do I do that?” Here’s a hint: If you want to find the answer don’t try to answer it now, it will come to you in time. As we are all human it is not uncommon to think of life with ends in mind. “I want that new car and I am not going to be satisfied until I get it” is a good example to put things into perspective. It is undeniable that we are constantly caught up in the past or the future but very seldom do we notice the present moment. Perhaps this is why the phrase “stop and smell the roses” became so widely recognized. Think back to when you were young and how you couldn’t wait to grow up. Knowing what you do now you might have thought otherwise. But this proves a point. As life goes on there are allot of things you can’t wait to get. That new car, a wife, a family, a new set of golf clubs, a raise, etc. One by one the time comes when you finally achieve these aspects. But there is one problem. In so doing you create an insatiable hunger for more means to these ends.  What you have is never enough because your happiness is always ending.  And as a result none of your desires ever produce satisfaction aside from the brief high of your latest accomplishment. In fact, your happiness is always on hold because you are constantly waiting to attain a goal. Now don’t get me wrong, it is perfectly acceptable to have goals in life. Goals are what drives us. But we need to restructure our way of thinking in regards to such. A simple way to insure complete happiness is the following: The important thing isn’t the destination but the journey. Stop waiting for happiness. People have to recognize that it’s right here, right now. If you are only happy when you reach a goal then what about all the time you spend reaching that goal? How to do you feel then? The present moment is the most wonderful and enjoyable moment you can have. Can you look at the sky and realize how beautiful it is? Or the smells, sounds, and landscapes surrounding you? Can you see what you currently have and enjoy it? Take time to look at them fully and you will enjoy every minute!


Got it yet? So for those of you who are still looking for answer to this riddle posed earlier, it’s quite clear. If the egg must fall three feet without a crack, then extend the height of the egg to four feet.  When all is said and done, the journey is the reward.


As we look deeply within, we understand our perfect balance. There is no fear of the cycle of birth, life and death. For when you stand in the present moment, you are timeless.

-Rodney Yee

:police:


To say that the Journey is more important than the destination is bunk.  When I go out for dinner, it's not the car ride, it's the Restaurant that I arrive at.  If I arrive at the Garbage Dump, the ride was a waste.

Furthermore, To drop an egg for four feet and have it break is not satisfying the condition of drop an egg for three feet without it breaking.  To satisfy that goal, you must show me an unbroken egg.  If we can use semantics, I would say that you can never meet that condition; dropping is actually a controlled descent based upon gravity, mass, inertia, and the density of the atmosphere.  Could I "drop" an egg that begins and ends its fall completely underwater?  Why not?

The present momet is nice; however, I have bills to pay, a house to buy, children to have.  If I am content to stand and stare at the sky, albeit beautiful, I will die sooner, and without passing along my genes.  And the Goals in Mass Effect 3 are not my own, they were given me by the game.  The game gave me a goal, and then made it impossible to actually accomplish that goal.  Instead, I can become half reaper, become all reaper, or become the same as the reapers.  I daresay that though the game ends, it is never finished.

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V-rcingetorix

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@Boydsan

Poignant, but my professor would never accept that as an answer for my labwork. You get an "A" for finishing your argument. BioWare gets an "F."

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With the "Leviathan" DLC I am starting to think that "StarChild" IS Harbinger or is just that is NO ending to Mass Effect.

So with the "Extended Cut" and "Leviathan" DLCs I have come to the conclusion that I have not got a clue what is happening in this game.

#4029
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I'm still trying to determine whether Leviathan is actually worth my money.

I thought StarChild was Harbinger from the beginning of his appearance. I kept waiting for this huge thing where that is revealed because Shepard is Shepard, despite all the problems leading to that moment. Of course it never happened, and I'm still disappointed at the missed chances to conclude this story in the same epic fashion it was told.

Сообщение изменено: KiganMatsuei, 29 Август 2012 - 06:33 .


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Hi, everyone. I'm back after some time with no time to post anything. And not much interest in all things ME after the dreadful ending.

I think I'll buy Leviathan and give it a try. But as it seems, BW is sticking to their pride and not changing the copied "Deus Ex" ending. That only worked on "Deus Ex", by the way...

I'll leave an "ending treatment" that I wrote just after the game was released and I got that slap on the face with the horrible ending. I think it could very well be a blueprint for a way out for BW. It wouldn't need any change in their ending. It would just expand and make it sound actually useful and part of something. Check it out and feel free to comment.

Just download here (no tricks):

http://www.mediafire...zccx3uyp17gu3vc

And tell me if Leviathan is worth my time or money.

#4031
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--- Well, Suetam... I've watched the "added dialogue" to the ending that comes from Leviathan. There's, like, ONE added line. It changes nothing. People say that the CONTENT of Leviathan is great, but I passed on it since a great ride that ends with a car crash is actually just a ****ty ride.

#4032
Darth Garrus

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I wrote and open letter to Bioware, to express what I feel about this whole situation, and how I think things could get better again. And I think most people will agree with the sentiment and with its contents. I'll post it in a separate topic, and then post the link here. Hope you guys agree and help spread the message.

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Darth Garrus

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Here it is. Hope you guys enjoy.

http://social.biowar.../index/13918034

Сообщение изменено: Darth Suetam, 31 Август 2012 - 01:37 .


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u2rocksbaby

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So Shepard and the LI end up together in the High EMS Destroy ending?

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u2rocksbaby wrote...

So Shepard and the LI end up together in the High EMS Destroy ending?

Signs point to yes. There will supposedly never be a cannon ending, so come up with whatever you like. 

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u2rocksbaby wrote...

So Shepard and the LI end up together in the High EMS Destroy ending?


"Lots of speculations for everybody"  :mellow:

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If the Reapers win scenario is true, and that's literally the only none RGB option, then i'll laugh my ass off.

Don't like our artistic vision do you? Well fine, because of that everyone you ever knew or cared about is dead! GENIUS!

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having this work may be a long shot but, for anyone interested in getting more clarity in the destroy ending you can sign the petition i created at change.org. 

http://www.change.or...than-ambiguity 

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Holy necro batman

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Iakus

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Well, why should Shepard's fate be confirmed dead in seven endings, and only hinted to be alive in the eighth? In the interest of fairness, shouldn't there be at least one, and ideally more than one ending where Shepard definitely lives?

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iakus wrote...

Well, why should Shepard's fate be confirmed dead in seven endings, and only hinted to be alive in the eighth? In the interest of fairness, shouldn't there be at least one, and ideally more than one ending where Shepard definitely lives?


I think they should have gone the route that they took with Dragon Age Origins. I've never personally played it, but I've seen it and know what happens.

Reapers should end up dead in every ending, with the non-canon Reaper victory if you screw up enough.

Add subtle variations of how it happens or whatnot.

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thomas233 wrote...

having this work may be a long shot but, for anyone interested in getting more clarity in the destroy ending you can sign the petition i created at change.org. 

http://www.change.or...than-ambiguity 


I hated the ending and your petition is a nice thought but at this point useless. They're done with the game and won't be making anymore additions or changes. But thank God we have MEHEM, which makes the ending right again and basically saves the game.


iakus wrote...

 In the interest of fairness, shouldn't
there be at least one, and ideally more than one ending where Shepard
definitely lives?


Agreed.

#4043
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MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Well, why should Shepard's fate be confirmed dead in seven endings, and only hinted to be alive in the eighth? In the interest of fairness, shouldn't there be at least one, and ideally more than one ending where Shepard definitely lives?


I think they should have gone the route that they took with Dragon Age Origins. I've never personally played it, but I've seen it and know what happens.

Reapers should end up dead in every ending, with the non-canon Reaper victory if you screw up enough.

Add subtle variations of how it happens or whatnot.




The Dragon Age Origin's endings still all end up sucking for the player character though pretty much no matter which direction you take. I am really just over stories ending like that to be honest. For once, I would like a clear victory in which the main character does not die or have to do a complete character turn around for.  I would like at least one good ending of a story where if you are full paragon you don't have to kill character to win and survive and meet up again with LI's etc.

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Nykara wrote...
The Dragon Age Origin's endings still all end up sucking for the player character though pretty much no matter which direction you take.

Really? You can kill the Archdemon yourself or have someone else do it. Or you can do the ritual, which I guess you wouldn't want. Either way, you can survive or not. It's pretty much your choice. What more do you expect?

Or are you objecting to the setup, that there's always some price for survival? That victory doesn't come at no cost to yourself in some way? If so, then: why should it? 

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Chardonney wrote...
I hated the ending and your petition is a nice thought but at this point useless. They're done with the game and won't be making anymore additions or changes. But thank God we have MEHEM, which makes the ending right again and basically saves the game.

That's a good point, i thought it may be worth a shot anyway though. I saw the Mehem mod on you tube it was really good, it sucks that you can't get it for x box though

#4046
MassivelyEffective0730

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Ieldra2 wrote...

Nykara wrote...
The Dragon Age Origin's endings still all end up sucking for the player character though pretty much no matter which direction you take.

Really? You can kill the Archdemon yourself or have someone else do it. Or you can do the ritual, which I guess you wouldn't want. Either way, you can survive or not. It's pretty much your choice. What more do you expect?

Or are you objecting to the setup, that there's always some price for survival? That victory doesn't come at no cost to yourself in some way? If so, then: why should it? 


I think they could have had a happy ending for the galaxy, where the Reapers die rapidly, at the cost of Shepards life, though preventing further bloodshed.

Or make an ending where the Reapers are heavily weakened, but still alive and many, many more people perish while Shepard and his crew survive to get a happy ending. 

I'd do the second option.

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Chardonney wrote...

thomas233 wrote...

having this work may be a long shot but, for anyone interested in getting more clarity in the destroy ending you can sign the petition i created at change.org. 

http://www.change.or...than-ambiguity 


I hated the ending and your petition is a nice thought but at this point useless. They're done with the game and won't be making anymore additions or changes. But thank God we have MEHEM, which makes the ending right again and basically saves the game.



Indeed.

The petition is nice, but they've made it abundantly clear they don't care what we think about the ending.  Don't like it?  You don't matter.  You're just confused and "don't get it"

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WOW, it has been a LONG time since I've seen anything here. Figured that people had accepted/given up/withdrawn/suicided their way out of this discussion. Honestly and truly, even after so long I'm bummed out whenever I think of how it all wrapped up.

I mean, the setting they'd created was just so freaking versatile. I could imagine almost anything set in the ME Universe. I'd have personally pushed a buss full of nuns and orphans off a bridge if I could have gotten a Sci-Fi cop drama TV series set in one of the wards of the Citadel. Or an X-com style tactical RPG. Or a movie dealing with the political and social ramifications of the Batarian survivors of the Alpha Relay incident rejoining Citadel Space.

But then PLOP, here's your ending, fascinating universe pooped all over, it's art, it's over, and you're just buttmad that Shepard isn't alive (except that he IS alive if you played him as a complete ****.)

Sigh. I need to unsub from this thread so I don't have to remember.

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MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Or make an ending where the Reapers are heavily weakened, but still alive and many, many more people perish while Shepard and his crew survive to get a happy ending. 

I'd do the second option.


The deaths of faceless multitudes while the crew survives would be a no-brainer for anyone. That's not a sacrifice. I see threads and videos mourning Mordin's death every single day, but not one person blinked when Allers mentioned the entire city of Adelaide Australia got wiped off the map. It didn't affect anyone because it can't affect anyone - it's just a statistic. Shepard doesn't know any of those people, and neither do we.