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PraetorianNova wrote...

It looks like I won't be playing ME3. That depressing rubbish as canon? No.

Forced multiplayer play to get good endings? even worse. I don't want to spend my time with certain aspects of the multi-player community who have brains the size of a turnip.

Looks like ME2 is my ending for the series. In my mind, Shepard's indoctrinated, wakes up, beats the Reapers and the galaxy rebuilds. Not "everybody dies either way".


If you don't want to do multiplayer, there's a cool little program called gibbed's where you can boost your EMS and get the ending you want.

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rainasa wrote...

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Better than expected, worse than hoped.

I was simply expecting everything to be the same, except at the beginning of the stargazers scene the kid says "did that all really happen?", then Buzz says "No"....fade to black.

I don't know why they couldn't just have some kind of reuinion.


They made the ending open like that on purpose, your LI refuses to belive you are dead, and you are on the citadel. A chance of a reunion ishighly probable.

It is very, very heavily implided that they can meet again. they just left it up to you instead of deciding to make a single scene to fit eveyone's whims.


I think with the possible number of LIs they couldn't take the time to come up with a reunion scenario for all of them, record the dialog for all of them, etc.  Hence they just left the implication.

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jsl1016 wrote...

Of course you all realize this could STILL all be in Shep's head and IT is still a possibility! LOL!. This really fixes nothing concerning IT vs. non-IT...


Refusal ending pretty much seals it up.

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Aris Ravenstar wrote...

EDIT: Oh, and Keiji's greybox comes to life so he and Kasumi can be together or some crap. What???

Are you serious? That's incredibly creepy.

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I feel like Colors of the Wind should be playing when this slide comes up.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 26 juin 2012 - 12:55 .


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Over in the "we are listening thread" I ****ed and moaned about the ending,was not a happy chap......I've just seen all three endings and I'm delighted with what Bioware has done,the new and vastly improved control ending just knocked me sideways to be honest,my faith has been restored and thank you for indeed listening Bioware.

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I loved the rejection ending personally

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[quote]IanPolaris wrote...

No, I am not working on that assuption. [/quote]You are.

[quote]I am pointing out that it's a huge difference.  If the Reapers were that invincible they wouldn't bother to try to cripple the C3I of the enemy, but they do. Thus the Reapers are far from invincible and they know it. [/quote]Not being invincible doesn't mean they aren't unstoppable. Avoiding needless casualties within your own victory is cause enough.

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It also is the first cycle that apparently solved the "Tech SIngularity" issue (at least if you made peace with the Geth).[/quote]That doesn't solve the tech singularity issue.
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This is the first cycle ever (assuming you made peace with the Geth...needed for the best EMS) that fully aware AI civilizations fought WITH organics against the Reapers.  From the PoV of the Reapers, this is entirely new and very troubling.  From a war-fare PoV, that does constitute "solving" the tech-singularity issue...whether star-kid wants to admit it or not.[/quote]It doesn't solve the tech-singularity issue, because it doesn't guarantee continued and perpetual good relations with all synthetics going into the future. The Singularity issue is a position based that, eventually, some hostile synthetic will reach singularity. It does not claim that every synthetic will be hostile.

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Shepard beat the collectors that had more firepower than most minor races with a single light cruiser[/quote]...no, not really. It took a frigate with the firepower of a cruiser to take out the Collector Cruiser.

The Collectors punched above their weight, but they weren't unstoppable by any means.
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and what amounts to a reinforced spec-ops Squad.  This is what Shepard does:  The impossible.[/quote]Shepard's special ops squad didn't destroy the Collector Cruiser. Shepards special ops squad didn't cross the relay on their own.

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WRONG.  Vigil's datafile was a McGuffin.  Nothing more.  It wasn't the main theme at all. The main theme was Shepard doing the impossible.  Same with ME2.  Finding a way...any way is what Shepard does.  That IS the basic underlying theme of Mass Effect.  Always has been...until Starbrat.[/quote]You are ignorring the obvious. Shepard's means of achieving the impossible have always been through a macguffin of some sort. The Macguffin, not Shepard, is what makes the seemingly impossible possible: it's the macguffin that thwards Sovereign long enough for a fleet to take it down, it's the macguffin that allows reliable passage to the far side of the Omega Relay.

Shepard does not make the impossible possible. The MacGuffin makes the impossible possible.


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Charming.  You never once thought that maybe just maybe, that Hackett and all those others were WRONG?[/quote]I entertained the possibility up to the point that the game repeatedly demonstrated that the galaxy's conventional strength was being systematically curbstomped, and that it's most notable victories were incredibly situational and non-catastrophic for Shepard.


[quote]  The reject ending sure seems to say that the Reapers can be beaten conventionally[/quote]The Reject ending is the conventional defeat of the galaxy.
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(and will be by the next cycle).[/quote]It implies nothing of the sort. It only implies the Liara's message got through, but that's happened before: the Prothean beacons. In the next cycle, however, the traditional Reaper advantages will be re-asserted with the repair of the Prothean sabotage allowing the Citadel-invasion and relay-blockade strategy.

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jsl1016 wrote...

Of course you all realize this could STILL all be in Shep's head and IT is still a possibility! LOL!. This really fixes nothing concerning IT vs. non-IT...


That's right.  Now EA/Bioware can get back to finishing their alternate ending dlc for $20 like I'm sure they intended instead of dealing with the fan rage.

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 26 juin 2012 - 12:56 .


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A reunion with the LI is all I wanted even if it was just a slide showing shep and LI standing together or something but it look like we don't get that so I ask you is there any point in downloading it?


Apparently you are too stupid to understand that you are supposed to imagine how your Shepard and LI are reunited once more! Because showing things in a visual medium like a videogame is...only for stupid people!


This pretty much. If not said bit harshly.

Modifié par Arppis, 26 juin 2012 - 12:57 .


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darkway1 wrote...

Over in the "we are listening thread" I ****ed and moaned about the ending,was not a happy chap......I've just seen all three endings and I'm delighted with what Bioware has done,the new and vastly improved control ending just knocked me sideways to be honest,my faith has been restored and thank you for indeed listening Bioware.


Someone happy? Faith restored?.... Thanking BioWare?!?? :o

I tought I never see the day.....

#586
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Reject ending is my favorite because of the underlying message:

EVEN IN THE FACE OF ANNIHILATION! NEVER SURRENDER! NEVER SUBMIT!!

The new cycle defeats them thanks to Shepard and friends!!

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Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

EDIT: Oh, and Keiji's greybox comes to life so he and Kasumi can be together or some crap. What???

Are you serious? That's incredibly creepy.

SPOILERS

I feel like Colors of the Wind should be playing when this slide comes up.


You. You deserve a cookie.

#588
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Capeo wrote...

rainasa wrote...

pablosplinter wrote...

Better than expected, worse than hoped.

I was simply expecting everything to be the same, except at the beginning of the stargazers scene the kid says "did that all really happen?", then Buzz says "No"....fade to black.

I don't know why they couldn't just have some kind of reuinion.


They made the ending open like that on purpose, your LI refuses to belive you are dead, and you are on the citadel. A chance of a reunion ishighly probable.

It is very, very heavily implided that they can meet again. they just left it up to you instead of deciding to make a single scene to fit eveyone's whims.


I think with the possible number of LIs they couldn't take the time to come up with a reunion scenario for all of them, record the dialog for all of them, etc.  Hence they just left the implication.


thats part of it. but its also because everyone is attached to the characters in so many diffrent ways they just couldn't make a single scene that would be able to please everyone, so they left it open to interpretation of the player.

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krukow wrote...

So wait, the kid's okay with me using destroy (he gives it to me as an option), but he gets all bitter and changes his voice with the "so be it" line if I don't use the catalyst?

ummm.... wat?

I liked this enough though. I wish there had been a rendering of the crew finding shep (not even a cinematic, just a painting like the others), but other than that, this was satisfactory.


Let´s say BW did a great job at writing an intelligence that makes no sense from a human POV.

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Jerrybnsn wrote...

jsl1016 wrote...

Of course you all realize this could STILL all be in Shep's head and IT is still a possibility! LOL!. This really fixes nothing concerning IT vs. non-IT...


That's right.  Now EA/Bioware can get back to finishing their alternate ending dlc for $20 like I'm sure they intended instead of dealing with the fan rage.


I think I heard somewhere that they had intended for the EC not to clash with the IT so people could still freely speculate if they wanted to.

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rainasa wrote...


because every single person has a diffrent opinion on how such a meeting would go down. No matter what they did Bioware was going to get a crapton of flak. so they went with the relatively safe options of letting the fans decide themselves on how it would go down. Too bad most people don't seem to like the idea of having to actually think.


I am sure every single person has a different opinion on every facet of the game, but Bioware has to commit to showing us something.

Everyone has an opinion on how the next game should go, but Bioware will no doubt make one, instead of just leaving  people to think it themselves.

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I still don't understand how Shepard lives in the destroy ending

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 Terta Ninja  Extended Cut Endings  

I just watched the Synthesis ending... I like the EDI voice over, the whole  I still the  whole idea of was  forced in the series and not instead of being  Horrible the endings are just .. "Meh" video game endings. This could have been in the orginal copies of the game.   I still the think the heroic sacrifice is still BS  trite but its what ever this  point.    The Catalyst  logic is still FUBAR the explanition of the  Reapers  FUBAR and laughable.... but its whatever now. 

Watching Control now.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 26 juin 2012 - 01:01 .


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Let me get this straight - Star kid is Harbinger and when we choose either control or synthesis, the Reapers "win" in a way?

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pablosplinter wrote...

rainasa wrote...

pablosplinter wrote...

Better than expected, worse than hoped.

I was simply expecting everything to be the same, except at the beginning of the stargazers scene the kid says "did that all really happen?", then Buzz says "No"....fade to black.

I don't know why they couldn't just have some kind of reuinion.


They made the ending open like that on purpose, your LI refuses to belive you are dead, and you are on the citadel. A chance of a reunion ishighly probable.

It is very, very heavily implided that they can meet again. they just left it up to you instead of deciding to make a single scene to fit eveyone's whims.



So heavily implied, why not show it?


Because that would mean making the ending so it specifically satisfies YOUR emotional needs, without taking into account what other people want.  I'm satisfied believing that Shepard will never meet his LI again, I think if they met up again after the relays were trashed and Shepard is believed dead it would just be corny as hell, I don't want a disney ending where they ride off int othe sunset and have a baby or whatever.  

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I still don't understand how Shepard lives in the destroy ending


Shepard has reach a crtical status of awesomeness. Thus he doesn't die.

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Ok... I've read the reviews now. I only have one thing to say to you, Bioware, now and that is goodbye. I've really enjoyed the games you've made through the years, especially the Mass effect series which was a brilliant trilogy. Too bad that it was utterly destroyed in those last minutes. You even had this final chance to make things right but again you failed to deliver.

Ending an epic story like this one in a way that would please most of your fans is obviously hard and it would take brilliant writers to pull that off. It appears as if you're just not that great.

Thanks for a handful of brilliant games but I will not pay for more disappointments like this.

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cynicalandbored wrote...

Let me get this straight - Star kid is Harbinger and when we choose either control or synthesis, the Reapers "win" in a way?


Catalyst already said that Reapers aren't looking to "win" they don't care about war. They are just doing what they were created to do.

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Cthulhu42 wrote...

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EDIT: Oh, and Keiji's greybox comes to life so he and Kasumi can be together or some crap. What???

Are you serious? That's incredibly creepy.

Kasumi? Creepy?

The girl who obsesses over a dead guy, keeps his memories in a box and practically lives in them, and when she's not doing that watches dudes shower while invisible and writes poetry about it?

Naw, can't imagine her ever acting creepy. Total character break. I WANT MY MONEY BACK BIOWARE!

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Vikali wrote...

PraetorianNova wrote...

It looks like I won't be playing ME3. That depressing rubbish as canon? No.

Forced multiplayer play to get good endings? even worse. I don't want to spend my time with certain aspects of the multi-player community who have brains the size of a turnip.

Looks like ME2 is my ending for the series. In my mind, Shepard's indoctrinated, wakes up, beats the Reapers and the galaxy rebuilds. Not "everybody dies either way".


If you don't want to do multiplayer, there's a cool little program called gibbed's where you can boost your EMS and get the ending you want.


If the remarks from the press releases are accurate, 3100 EMS is all that should be required for the best ending now, so no multiplayer required.