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LilyasAvalon wrote...

Arppis wrote...

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An airplane is only 50,000 feet in the air. How high is space orbit? ._.


Saying that it is ONLY... whoa.

And Citadel didn't drop trough athmosphere btw. It stayed in orbit.

;)


Only when you compare it to space orbit. :P

So Shepard passed out in rubble in the citadel then? Which stayed in orbit? Makes sense.

I watched the refusal ending. I actually really liked it. THAT'S what I was expecting originally.


Haha, well you can liveout your fantasies now! :lol:

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Does it explain why the catalyst looks like the blown up kid from the start, or he dreams


Reapers like child. :whistle:

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Well here's my two cents on the new endings, I have seen them all on livestream.

Overall, I am happy with the effort bioware has made, lets not forget they did this for free when they didn't have to (they already have our money remember). They seemed to listen to much of our feedback and addressed concerns like "why would joker flee?" etc. I applaud them for listening and the epilogues really make each ending unique now. A completely different feel for each ending is kind of nice. However, I am still sad that so many plot holes remain, like why would harbinger just leave and let shepard and anderson into the beam? How do crew members who you see dead on the floor after harbingers beam ressurect themselves to appear in the epilogue? There are still many plot holes, but at least they fixed some of them. The old ending was such a mess they could never fix all of them.

RED - Well, if you simply dont trust anything the reapers say and want to destroy them in the name of justice for the lives they have taken, and want shepard to live, this is the only option for you. You have to be willing to kill EDI and the geth though. This ending actually seems like the weakest of the 3 now that we understand blue and green now.

Blue - Shepard sort of becomes an immortal gaurdian of the galaxy, a God. Pretty nice ending I guess, because even though shepard dies to end the reaper threat, he lives on in a way.

Green - still a bit creepy, but the game pretty much forces you to see that this is the most beneficial ending for the galaxy as a whole. I like how they made EDI talk and say she is really alive it helped me accept and tolerate this ending for the first time. Now that we can understand the ending it is better. Even if it is still kind of far fetched and magic feeling.

Now before these endings I really fell into the camp of refusing and rejecting the reapers new solutions, and hated that we couldnt defeat the reapers we could only choose how they quit! Well, I really like that bioware gave us that option now, and I love how shepard says s/he will die knowing he died everything in his power to stop the reapers and he will be free from choosing the reapers solutions! Unfortunately, we also find out that this path causes the the horrific harvesting cycle to continue. I do like how the starkid shows his true colors when you pick this option too. He sounds like the true king of the reapers that he is when he says "so be it!". I guess I realize now, that even though I wanted the reapers to pay for what they had done to so many people, that thirst vengeance and justice was making me so stubborn that if I couldn't have it I would let the reapers win!

I guess in the end, my final verdict is I can live with the ending now, plot holes aside. I just think people need to realize, the reapers ultimately win the war. We just get lucky they agree to quit harvesting (the cycle), destroy themselves, or relinquish control of themseves, as long as we surrender to their terms. Kill the geth and edi, synthesize all life, etc. Based on these choices I guess I would say I prefer blue now since it comes with the least amount of reaper solutions being forced upon the galaxy. I just cant believe that TIM and Saren were right all along. So shepard was actually fighting against people with the right idea in ME1 and ME3. I guess I should have given cerberus the collector base at the end of ME2 after all.

just an added comment there is a scene that shep tellls his squadies to head to the mako before the beam

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christrek1982 wrote...

A reunion with the LI is all I wanted even if it was just a slide showing shep and LI standing together or something but it look like we don't get that so I ask you is there any point in downloading it?


It is possible, but not shown. You still get the Shep!Breathe video at the end if you destroy the reapers, and Liara seems to hesitate a lot more before putting your name on the wall. FTL and mass relays are still possible, Normandy not stranded.

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I guess Bioware has officially jumped the shark now.

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I chose Destroy and I was pleased, I miss EDI but I wants to live! I don't want to be a God...

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IanPolaris wrote...

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Excellent so in addition to

1) Genocide
2) Slavery
3) Techno-Eugenics
we get 
4) Suicide
 


Feeling like a Hero yet?

-Polaris


No but I would feel like a hero if I had time to write how each of these endings fits thematically with context of Bioware being located in Edmonton: 1&2) the history of 19th Ukraine and its consequences in the 20th, 3) Alberta's place in the British Empire and the Adminstration of William Aberhart, 4) Random haughty thoughts about the nihilism of suicide.

I could write a whole literary essay based on the points above, but since being cryptic is the universally accepted way of showing you're smarter than your audience and the audience in this case being Hudson and Walters, I'll just leave it as it is above. 

Any Ukranian-Canadians who live in Alberta and also founded Bioware can PM me for an elaboration. The rest of BW please use Google to link the endings with the coresponding themes, you clearly wouldn't listen to my explanation or understand the artistic mastery before you. 

Modifié par tamperous, 26 juin 2012 - 01:22 .


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Naltair wrote...

I chose Destroy and I was pleased, I miss EDI but I wants to live! I don't want to be a God...

Did you enjoy yourself? :)

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Malckeor wrote...

Does anyone else find it maddeningly ironic that the Catalyst explains to you that his creators ***UNWILLINGLY*** became the first Reaper? The CREATORS of the Catalyst? The CREATORS of the "Solution" for the war between synthetics and organics?

And we still can't win if we reject his bull****.



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The current ending makes the franchise so irreconcilable that I don't see how any future game is possible. It created three different worlds which could exists, and they are dramatically different. Four counting the little screw the complaints rejection ending.

You have a world with the transcended nonsense where ShepGod rules the galaxy.

A world where every living humanoid is now a man-bot.

Or a world where all synthetics have been destroyed, including the Geth and Reapers.

No future game is going to be able to adjust that massively to those three possibilites. So when they said save your Mass Effect 3 saves, they must of meant so you can buy DLC.

I have to applaud Bioware, they have not only capped off a three game series with one of the worst endings in gaming history, they also managed to utterly destroy their flagship franchise in the process.

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The Synthesis, while a much better written ending this time around, still makes noooo sense at all. How does a beam of green light give synthetic structures DNA and create organic hybrids? DUNNO.

How does it make organics part synthetic through genetic alteration? DUNNO.

It's better than it was, but only in execution. Not in substance.

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Arppis wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Only when you compare it to space orbit. :P

So Shepard passed out in rubble in the citadel then? Which stayed in orbit? Makes sense.

I watched the refusal ending. I actually really liked it. THAT'S what I was expecting originally.


Haha, well you can liveout your fantasies now! :lol:


Live out my fantasies you say....

*Holds up a baby Krogan* I shall name him Leonardo.

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Destroy = Halo 3 Legendary Ending

Control = Deus Ex (1) - Helios ending

Sythesis = Deus Ex (2) - JC Denton ending

Refusal = Mass Effect 3 Ending (Bad)

Modifié par d-boy15, 26 juin 2012 - 01:24 .


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I'm absolutely disappointed of the extended cut, it's really a huge waste of time and just crap. I don't know if I will buy any other Bioware game again like Dragon Age or Jade Empire, but I will never ever buy any game with participation of Mr Walters or Mr Hudson, that's for sure. Mass Effect 1 was a great beginning, Mass Effect 2 a great sequel and Mass Effect 3 a great desaster, thank you very much, Bioware.

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I can't help it, but when I watch synthesis it feels as if the Borg collective has assimilated the whole galaxy.

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An LI reunion was ALL that I was looking for from the EC. I could have forgiven everything else about the ending if only we had that reunion.

Argh.

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I can't shoot star brat anymore! >:(

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Vikali wrote...

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Ok... I've read the reviews now. I only have one thing to say to you, Bioware, now and that is goodbye. I've really enjoyed the games you've made through the years, especially the Mass effect series which was a brilliant trilogy. Too bad that it was utterly destroyed in those last minutes. You even had this final chance to make things right but again you failed to deliver.

Ending an epic story like this one in a way that would please most of your fans is obviously hard and it would take brilliant writers to pull that off. It appears as if you're just not that great.

Thanks for a handful of brilliant games but I will not pay for more disappointments like this.


So, you didn't play it yourself or even bother to just watch them and you're basing your judgement off of someone else's words. Don't let the door hit you on your way out.


Actually did watch it. not verry impressed. It's an improvement, sure but it does not live up to the hyoe and expectaions. The red ending is still the only one that makes any sense what so ever and the existence of the catalyst is not really explained at all. If you don't agree then fine. But I think I'm done with this company.

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Xenite wrote...

The current ending makes the franchise so irreconcilable that I don't see how any future game is possible. It created three different worlds which could exists, and they are dramatically different. Four counting the little screw the complaints rejection ending.

You have a world with the transcended nonsense where ShepGod rules the galaxy.

A world where every living humanoid is now a man-bot.

Or a world where all synthetics have been destroyed, including the Geth and Reapers.

No future game is going to be able to adjust that massively to those three possibilites. So when they said save your Mass Effect 3 saves, they must of meant so you can buy DLC.

I have to applaud Bioware, they have not only capped off a three game series with one of the worst endings in gaming history, they also managed to utterly destroy their flagship franchise in the process.


Exactly. I wonder why they even bothered with the EC at all.

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Hey, I just realized that with the "I don't want to decide for the galaxy" ending, they really match the Deus Ex: Human Revolutions endings now.

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tamperous wrote...



IanPolaris wrote...

tamperous wrote...

Excellent so in addition to

1) Genocide
2) Slavery
3) Techno-Eugenics
we get 
4) Suicide
 


Feeling like a Hero yet?

-Polaris


No but I would feel like a hero if I had time to write how each of these endings fits thematically with context of Bioware being located in Edmonton: 1&2) the history of 19th Ukraine and its consequences in the 20th, 3) Alberta's place in the British Empire and the Adminstration of William Aberhart, 4) Random haughty thoughts about the nihilism of suicide.

I could write a whole literary essay based on the points above, but since being cryptic is the universally accepted way of showing you're smarter than your audience and the audience in this case being Hudson and Walters, I'll just leave it as it is above. 

Any Ukranian-Canadians who live in Alberta and also founded Bioware can PM me for an elaboration. The rest of BW please use Google to link the endings with the coresponding themes, you clearly wouldn't listen to my explanation or understand the artistic mastery before you. 

 

Actually I would  be very interesting in seeing you points. Still I agree... the Extended Cut took everything from the "WTF is this crap"... to a  "Meh"  for me.  One of the biggest reasons is freaking quality there is nothing that says this could not be have been done for the original game. Secondly the endings still don't  mesh well with the series. all in all it just a dissappointment in the end in my eyes.   It all just comes off as Mac Walters and Casey Hudson trying to come off as high mind and deep, and instead its just kinda funny. Especailly the evil empire of doom music that was playing  during the control ending.   Really? Shepard ascends to immortal guardian of  the galaxy and you play the evil empire  of doom music.  

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Pelle6666 wrote...

Actually did watch it. not verry impressed. It's an improvement, sure but it does not live up to the hyoe and expectaions. The red ending is still the only one that makes any sense what so ever and the existence of the catalyst is not really explained at all. If you don't agree then fine. But I think I'm done with this company.


Ditto.  Now we have a polished turd.  Thankfully there are better Developers out there.

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I have to say I am very pleasantly surprised. The ending I chose was "Destruction" after having to replay the mission twice, LOL because the first time I shot the lil' bastard "Harby-starchild" and it trolled me with a crappy ending. So I had to reload and when I finally chose destruction I have to say that I am very happy with it. I know some people are going to want a more concrete proof of a LI reunion or something but the Destruction ending it's pretty straight forward.

I feel like that should have been the original ending. It's not perfect by any means but to be honest it makes me feel a hell of a lot better when the starchild tells Shep that there will be destruction but nothing that can't be rebuilt and it is said that the relays are in bad condition but not impossible to repair in a near future.

Also the scene with the Normandy was really interesting. It seems like they stayed stranded for a bit, maybe a few months? Until most races started rebuilding their own planets and it seems to me they assume Shepard dies, which is why they made a plaque with her name but then they take off the planet they were stranded, obviously to return to Earth (which now seems possible) and I get the same scene with Shepard breathing which indicates that Shepard is still alive somewhere in the ruins of the Citadel. Seems nobody has gone up there to find her.

Also the images/slideshow and the words by Admiral Hackett really gave me hope that the galactic civilization is not destroyed but heavily damaged. I don't know there were so many little things that I was pleased with.

It's definitely not a perfect ending but if this is what I had gotten the first time, things would have SO MUCH different to me. I feel much better about Shepard and Kaidan and the relays and everybody surviving and rebuilding again.

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FemaleMageFan wrote...

Naltair wrote...

I chose Destroy and I was pleased, I miss EDI but I wants to live! I don't want to be a God...

Did you enjoy yourself? :)


What I read so far hasn't changed my opinion on the colours that much...genetic viloation is still not my cup of tea, and making Shepard an incorpreal AI damned to live with the memory of what she once was and had and never will be able to feel again is a fate I will never lift upon my Shepards...

So..yes, I would still feel wonderful to choose destroy (but I am in the position that I never cared about the GEeh and EDI anyway). Oh, and of course my Shepards are ALL paragon choosing it, because they never will trust the kid, and never can they know about the cutscenes that imply the "good sides" of blue and green...

So all that matters is my Shepards un-knowing and my player's will to have Shepard alive...DEstroy is win-win for me and Shepard! Hooray! Now jsut show her with her loved ones and I am fine and would play the game again!

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Bfler wrote...

I can't help it, but when I watch synthesis it feels as if the Borg collective has assimilated the whole galaxy.


Except that's not the case. People are still individuals.