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[LTKerr]

walshy200 wrote...
Well bioware i hope you enjoy the company of westwood and maxis.

And Bullfrog.

It seems the EC doesn't explain any plothole, at least not without creating another ones. Furthermore, it doesn't even show Shepard and his/her LI reunited; this was really easy to make and would make more people happy or at least not depressed about the ending. So that's what we get: more plotholes, OoC's, retcons, the same lore and themes violations, the same nonsensical options, the same blatant deus ex machina and of course the same awful writing. Too much artistic integrity and pride (or arrogance), Bioware. Learning from your own mistakes it's an incredible way to improve yourself and your products, you should try it.



Guess it's time to move on and never look back. Bye Bioware, hello Bethesda, Valve, NaughtyDog, Team Ico...

[Pelle6666]

Lestatman wrote...

Pelle6666 wrote...

Actually did watch it. not verry impressed. It's an improvement, sure but it does not live up to the hyoe and expectaions. The red ending is still the only one that makes any sense what so ever and the existence of the catalyst is not really explained at all. If you don't agree then fine. But I think I'm done with this company.

Ditto.  Now we have a polished turd.  Thankfully there are better Developers out there.

Haha. Would have been happy if they had just flushed instead... At least got rid of the Catalyst or giving us a hint towards what the hell he is. But no, nothing.

[Ridwan]

Is it worth downloading ME 3 all over again?

[eoinnx03]

Yeah it's not perfect, but It's an improvement. I liked the fact that the ''the relays are damaged'' that made me not hate it. I forgive them, Just make Take back Omega ****ing amazing.

[masseffectinglife]

It is better. I would even say not the same endings as the originals. Artistic Integrity be true then bioware only messed up expressing what they were saying by ignoring continuity.
But I don't believe these endings are the same, but take that as my subjective viewpoint.

This new endings are a lot better but the bitter thought of the original endings leaves it mark.

Good but not great. Sadly.

No real personal pay off for relationships in no small children but I guess Shepard is a martyr.

Will I buy another Bioware/EA game. I would buy Bioware, but very very cautiously.

Also for another game in the series, the ending create a lot of new issues, like Reaper citizens.

But I think I can see better where Bioware was trying to go.

[Galbrant]

Yeah that refusal ending was disgustingly petty.

[Charsi]

Capeo wrote...

rainasa wrote...

pablosplinter wrote...

Better than expected, worse than hoped.

I was simply expecting everything to be the same, except at the beginning of the stargazers scene the kid says "did that all really happen?", then Buzz says "No"....fade to black.

I don't know why they couldn't just have some kind of reuinion.

They made the ending open like that on purpose, your LI refuses to belive you are dead, and you are on the citadel. A chance of a reunion ishighly probable.

It is very, very heavily implided that they can meet again. they just left it up to you instead of deciding to make a single scene to fit eveyone's whims.

I think with the possible number of LIs they couldn't take the time to come up with a reunion scenario for all of them, record the dialog for all of them, etc.  Hence they just left the implication.

Well a simple image with LI's together would be more valuable then words
.. so no need record any dialog at all!

This EC is just..... crappy.... <_<

[Vikali]

Galbrant wrote...

Yeah that refusal ending was disgustingly petty.

How? In refusal the next cycle killed the reapers. How is that petty?

[tamperous]

Warlegend17 wrote...

Interesting, but what is a truly paragon ending? all keeping in grey space, i like that Makes it hard to decide

Well the suicide ending is the truly paragon one from the phillosophical pov of the ME universe but it of course kills both organics and synthetics.


SO the moral tale is that being good changes nothing. You need to commit genocide, enslave a means of fascist control or manipulate everyone's genetics for society to progress.

It really is reminicient of the malaise, disaffection and destruction of liberal democracy in the 1930s. Of course that only gave us genocide, fascism, war and forced sterilization of the mentally disabled. 

Modifié par tamperous, 26 juin 2012 - 01:49 .

[Aramintai]

Synthesis is disturbingly creepy now with EC cutscene. And it's still stupid space magic about an energy beam that somehow transformed every organic into a..biodroid? and gave every synthetic..organic parts? Lame, especially on the synthetic part.

I also noticed how the scene about the Normandy fleeing from the beam got retconned - it is no longer shown that the beam damages the ship. Even though the crash site scene is still the old one it may give an explanation why it was able to fly off the planet. Bioware's "paradise" lost to fanrage.

Also in synthesis and control the Citadel does not seem be damaged.

[AngryFrozenWater]

The EC is crap, but now with a cherry on top. It's still crap, though. Nothing changed. Worthless.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 26 juin 2012 - 01:50 .

[mrbauxjangles]

Did they buff marauder shields I have died 7 times to him already

[jokey javik]

TullyAckland wrote...

Staarbux wrote...

Yep. All I really wanted was a scene where Shep's LI discovered she was alive. Really all I wanted. But I guess there were far fewer of us than I realised.

One of the goals for the Extended Cut, as part of addressing player feedback, was to provide more time with the love interest, and more opportunity for players to say goodbye to them and provide additional moments of connection between them. We did this in several ways:

• Shepard can now actually say goodbye to the love interest when they are split up at the conduit run.
• When Shepard sees flashbacks of important characters during the final decision, the flashbacks are now variable based on your playthrough – so your love interest can appear as one of the flashbacks, providing another moment of reflection between Shepard and that character.
• A memorial scene was added, partly to show a close bond between Shepard and the love interest. The scene is variable, and if Shepard has a love interest in a given playthrough, it will be that character who places Shepard’s name on the memorial wall.
• You may notice that in the “Shepard lives” ending, the love interest hesitates to place Shepard’s name on the wall, and instead looks up as though deep in thought. This is meant to suggest that the love interest is not ready to believe Shepard is dead, and the final scene reveals they are correct. As the Normandy lifts off, there is hope that the love interest and Shepard will again be together.

Do you have to say good by or can you say "We're gonna win with or without the crucible"

[nitefyre410]

M25105 wrote...

Is it worth downloading ME 3 all over again?

 

Not really you can watch them  all here at this link... 

Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut endings.   

[Ridwan]

nitefyre410 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Is it worth downloading ME 3 all over again?

 

Not really you can watch them  all here at this link... 

Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut endings.   

Thanks will watch now.

[d-boy15]

loungeshep wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Refusal ending.

There you go.

When I heard "if you are hearing this"


I immediately heard "Then you ARE the resistance"

yeah, me too. BTW John Conor voice is more bad ass.

[nitefyre410]

Vikali wrote...

Galbrant wrote...

Yeah that refusal ending was disgustingly petty.

How? In refusal the next cycle killed the reapers. How is that petty?

 


The entire tone of it...  the speech then  Shepard just standing there and doing nothing.  It came off as Mac Walters and Casey  Hudson  taking a dig at the fan base for refusing what they calmed as their genius. It was not taken seriously  as an option at all.  

[tamperous]

nitefyre410 wrote...

tamperous wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

tamperous wrote...

Excellent so in addition to

1) Genocide
2) Slavery
3) Techno-Eugenics
we get 
4) Suicide
 

Feeling like a Hero yet?

-Polaris

No but I would feel like a hero if I had time to write how each of these endings fits thematically with context of Bioware being located in Edmonton: 1&2) the history of 19th Ukraine and its consequences in the 20th, 3) Alberta's place in the British Empire and the Adminstration of William Aberhart, 4) Random haughty thoughts about the nihilism of suicide.

I could write a whole literary essay based on the points above, but since being cryptic is the universally accepted way of showing you're smarter than your audience and the audience in this case being Hudson and Walters, I'll just leave it as it is above. 

Any Ukranian-Canadians who live in Alberta and also founded Bioware can PM me for an elaboration. The rest of BW please use Google to link the endings with the coresponding themes, you clearly wouldn't listen to my explanation or understand the artistic mastery before you. 

 

Actually I would  be very interesting in seeing you points. Still I agree... the Extended Cut took everything from the "WTF is this crap"... to a  "Meh"  for me.  One of the biggest reasons is freaking quality there is nothing that says this could not be have been done for the original game. Secondly the endings still don't  mesh well with the series. all in all it just a dissappointment in the end in my eyes.   It all just comes off as Mac Walters and Casey Hudson trying to come off as high mind and deep, and instead its just kinda funny. Especailly the evil empire of doom music that was playing  during the control ending.   Really? Shepard ascends to immortal guardian of  the galaxy and you play the evil empire  of doom music.  

There's no way I'm writing that stuff here. Expressing that essay would result in a likely result in a ban. Especially since Merizan tweeted that they want to make the forums 'safe'. I'm not ready to go into the night yet. Maybe I'll post them elsewhere someday.

Modifié par tamperous, 26 juin 2012 - 01:54 .

[Bfler]

In control the sound doesn't fit. I think the lines of Shepard shall create hope but with the music in the background combined with the synthetic voice it creates the feeling that in near future we have to stop him because he isn't able to handle the task..

Modifié par Bfler, 26 juin 2012 - 01:55 .

[Ridwan]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Vikali wrote...

Galbrant wrote...

Yeah that refusal ending was disgustingly petty.

How? In refusal the next cycle killed the reapers. How is that petty?

 


The entire tone of it...  the speech then  Shepard just standing there and doing nothing.  It came off as Mac Walters and Casey  Hudson  taking a dig at the fan base for refusing what they calmed as their genius. It was not taken seriously  as an option at all.  

Don't worry, they wrote "WE LOVE OUR FANS". That makes it all right. God gamers are gullible. Malstrom Gaming God theory was right.

[Vikali]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Vikali wrote...

Galbrant wrote...

Yeah that refusal ending was disgustingly petty.

How? In refusal the next cycle killed the reapers. How is that petty?

 


The entire tone of it...  the speech then  Shepard just standing there and doing nothing.  It came off as Mac Walters and Casey  Hudson  taking a dig at the fan base for refusing what they calmed as their genius. It was not taken seriously  as an option at all.  

Well, I personally found it bitter sweet. Escpeiaclly after basically shoving a barrell down Starkid's throat.

[mrbauxjangles]

So far it hasn't been bad for me but still is the same ending I am just happy I was able to reject all endings from starchild. That alone made the download worth it but other then that meh nothing game changing

[Subject M]

Vikali wrote...

Naltair wrote...

TullyAckland wrote...

Staarbux wrote...

Yep. All I really wanted was a scene where Shep's LI discovered she was alive. Really all I wanted. But I guess there were far fewer of us than I realised.

One of the goals for the Extended Cut, as part of addressing player feedback, was to provide more time with the love interest, and more opportunity for players to say goodbye to them and provide additional moments of connection between them. We did this in several ways:

• Shepard can now actually say goodbye to the love interest when they are split up at the conduit run.
• When Shepard sees flashbacks of important characters during the final decision, the flashbacks are now variable based on your playthrough – so your love interest can appear as one of the flashbacks, providing another moment of reflection between Shepard and that character.
• A memorial scene was added, partly to show a close bond between Shepard and the love interest. The scene is variable, and if Shepard has a love interest in a given playthrough, it will be that character who places Shepard’s name on the memorial wall.
• You may notice that in the “Shepard lives” ending, the love interest hesitates to place Shepard’s name on the wall, and instead looks up as though deep in thought. This is meant to suggest that the love interest is not ready to believe Shepard is dead, and the final scene reveals they are correct. As the Normandy lifts off, there is hope that the love interest and Shepard will again be together.

So essentially the reunion is off screen?

Correct.

LI to Shepard: -You killed EDI and the Geth just to save your own ass and so you could hump me another day? Get away from me!

But, seriously, I must say that off screen reunion=no closure if the Shepard story ends with ME3.
And as I stated before and implied in my questionable attempt at humour, My Shepard could never choose "destroy" if it meant killing/sacrificing all his synthetic allies and friends.

[bleetman]

M25105 wrote...

Is it worth downloading ME 3 all over again?

Not unless you were happy with the endings as they were.

If you thought they were contrived gibberish, then no. Don't bother. The EC  does nothing to address that.

Modifié par bleetman, 26 juin 2012 - 01:57 .