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[ussbones6]

masseffectinglife wrote...

Will I buy another Bioware/EA game. I would buy Bioware, but very very cautiously.

Also for another game in the series, the ending create a lot of new issues, like Reaper citizens.

But I think I can see better where Bioware was trying to go.

I think quite a few people are going to end up buying Bioware/EA games used, instead of new. It kind of makes sense though, a lot of people feel betrayed by the reviewers that gave ME3 10/10 and didn't even mention what was up with the ending.

Believe me, this game is a 9/10 up until we are running to the beam, I thought everything else was pretty well written and planned out (aside from the lack of being able to choose all the dialogue and being force fed a lot of responses).

I know I for one will be purchasing all my games used. The last new game I both from Bioware, besides this, was Spore, which was Will Wrights baby before he left EA/Maxis.

[Voodoo-j]

I think the issue all along is a huge misunderstanding.

Most of us, myself included viewed the ending from a video game perspective.
While what they did was ended it like a true paper and dice RPG and left it completely open to our own interpretation.

As an avid video gamer, I absolutely hate it, I want to see the ending, not visualize it.
As an old school RPG gamer I can't help but respect it.

I haven't seen the spit shine they put on it yet, either way I did not like the abc choices, but it sounds like they changed that up a bit. If so they have completed the game, and any open minded individual can appreciate the effort and respect what Bioware has done.

[wicked_being]

Ok..playing and re-playing the EC, I have cleared my head and trying to be rational. The earlier rage has subsided a bit.

The EC is much better than the original ending, true. I mean you can't get any lower than rock-bottom. It just made an inedible food a bit palatable (still tastes like crap though). Needless to say, I still find the EC disappointing. Perhaps it's my fault that, even after all the crap BW said, I still harbored a bit of hope for them. My hope level was at 3/10, I guess I should've lowered it to 2/10.

Anywayyyy...I think if they made the EC the ending that shipped out with the game, we wouldn't have this whole debacle. Well I guess we'll still do, but it wouldn't be as big of a sh*tstorm.

After seeing the EC, will I consider buying other ME3 DLCs? No.

Have my faith in Bioware been restored? No.

Do I still think they're capable of making wonderful games like they used to? Yes.

And I hope for their next project they wouldn't be overly-ambitious to the point of lying what is in the game just to hype it up. You wouldn't be in this mess if you didn't claim to have A to Z only for us to find out you only have RGB. I would happily give you my money like I have in the past (see game badges) if you treat your loyal fanbase better. Firing your PR department is a good start.

[evillamor]

Actually the crew could have tried to stage a rescue in the Citadel after crashing and checked for survivors. BUT who knows? Bioware might make it a PAID DLC? I'll buy it if they make it just to see your love interest's face once agian. How about it fans? CLAMOR for an after ending DLC!!!! They did it once they can do it again!!!!

I mean, they can extend the story much like Shadow Broker DLC right? This time you're leading Liara into enemy territory or whoever your love interest is and rescue Shephard from whatever crap he is in. I\\m sure it will sell millions and please ALL fans!!!

[Sisterlulz]

Okay, here's my own two cents:

While not the best ending we could have hoped for, Bioware clearly put SOME effort in the Extended Cut. New animations and voice-overs, a clear re-modeling of what each ending means to the universe, filling in the most glaring plotholes (while still leaving some) and giving a form of closure. The 'refusal' ending, no matter what everyone says, at least had the merit of creating a vastly different ending. So we have Reapers destroy Organics ('Refusal') or Organics destroy Reapers (Destroy).

There are several things with which I am unhappy: a plot hole here and there, and not seeing any reunion with the LI (which was something I deeply wished for). However, overall these endings are better than the old ones in my opinion and I still wish to congratulate Bioware for making an amazing series from ME1 to ME3, despite the endings. The characters and storyline were stellar, and this series will probably remain my favourite game series of all time.

I personally chose Synthesis, despite my misgivings, because I couldn't bear the idea of my Shepard facing Joker and telling him it was her fault EDI was gone, not to mention Legion's sacrifice made for naught. Judge me for this, but Control felt too risky, and I preferred to give each race certain peace rather than risking the 'Shepard' to come to Star Child's conclusion and kill them all.

Seeing the Reapers rebuild along organics brought tears to my eyes though.

So here it is: I'm content. Not entirely satisfied, but it's better than I hoped for. I really wanted my Shepard to see her LI again, but I can live with that.

If people are still angry with these endings, it's their right. However... Let's just say that I think that now is not the time to hound Bioware again, but rather to thank them for what they gave us (my opinion only). ME3 was a hell of a game in my opinion despite some problems, and the new endings suit the series better. That is all.

Sis' out.

[fchopin]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

The EC is crap, but now with a cherry on top. It's still crap, though. Nothing changed. Worthless.

Have you played the EC or just watched it?
 
Maybe it will be better for you when played if you have not played the EC.

[loungeshep]

Haven't gotten to play yet (at work, but Xbox is at home downloading) but having watched them on youtube, it's much, much better. AND. this should've been in the game from the beginning.

Also, thanks for changing that stupidly bad 'buy more DLC!' message at the end and making it a thank you.

Modifié par loungeshep, 26 juin 2012 - 02:09 .

[Subject M]

LTKerr wrote...

walshy200 wrote...
Well bioware i hope you enjoy the company of westwood and maxis.

And Bullfrog.

It seems the EC doesn't explain any plothole, at least not without creating another ones. Furthermore, it doesn't even show Shepard and his/her LI reunited; this was really easy to make and would make more people happy or at least not depressed about the ending. So that's what we get: more plotholes, OoC's, retcons, the same lore and themes violations, the same nonsensical options, the same blatant deus ex machina and of course the same awful writing. Too much artistic integrity and pride (or arrogance), Bioware. Learning from your own mistakes it's an incredible way to improve yourself and your products, you should try it.



Guess it's time to move on and never look back. Bye Bioware, hello Bethesda, Valve, NaughtyDog, Team Ico...

I think part of the reason why we did not see a reunion is part of the original intent or "vision" of the ending.
It was supposed to be the "worst" ending from a certain point of view and perhaps they did not want to be the ones telling a story about committing genocide of your allies would result in Shepard "getting the girl" and living happy ever after.

[Nerevar-as]

Subject M wrote...

Vikali wrote...

Naltair wrote...

TullyAckland wrote...

Staarbux wrote...

Yep. All I really wanted was a scene where Shep's LI discovered she was alive. Really all I wanted. But I guess there were far fewer of us than I realised.

One of the goals for the Extended Cut, as part of addressing player feedback, was to provide more time with the love interest, and more opportunity for players to say goodbye to them and provide additional moments of connection between them. We did this in several ways:

• Shepard can now actually say goodbye to the love interest when they are split up at the conduit run.
• When Shepard sees flashbacks of important characters during the final decision, the flashbacks are now variable based on your playthrough – so your love interest can appear as one of the flashbacks, providing another moment of reflection between Shepard and that character.
• A memorial scene was added, partly to show a close bond between Shepard and the love interest. The scene is variable, and if Shepard has a love interest in a given playthrough, it will be that character who places Shepard’s name on the memorial wall.
• You may notice that in the “Shepard lives” ending, the love interest hesitates to place Shepard’s name on the wall, and instead looks up as though deep in thought. This is meant to suggest that the love interest is not ready to believe Shepard is dead, and the final scene reveals they are correct. As the Normandy lifts off, there is hope that the love interest and Shepard will again be together.

So essentially the reunion is off screen?

Correct.

LI to Shepard: -You killed EDI and the Geth just to save your own ass and so you could hump me another day? Get away from me!

But, seriously, I must say that off screen reunion=no closure if the Shepard story ends with ME3.
And as I stated before and implied in my questionable attempt at humour, My Shepard could never choose "destroy" if it meant killing/sacrificing all his synthetic allies and friends.

That´s metagaming. Starbrat had said Shep would die because of his/her implants.

The annoying about Destroy is that people who don´t consider AIs alive can happily choose it and feel great about it.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 26 juin 2012 - 02:03 .

[Thomas477]

I liked the EC, despite hating the originals.

Yes there wasn't a LI reunion and there werent my little blue children but it has done enough for me to trust Bioware again, albeit cautiously. Still don't understand the significance of that planet the Normandy crashed on, apart from it being the Stargazer(s?) planet.

Apart from that, is it confirmed that Shepard does live, given specific conditions are met?

[Ang3l o Xn6]

The E.C is better than the original endings but still doesn't fit to the ME universe.

Bioware you've been warned never ever release a game unfinished, it's your last time.

( Get owned by the starbrat when i shoot him , '' )

[ussbones6]

Thomas477 wrote...

I liked the EC, despite hating the originals.

Yes there wasn't a LI reunion and there werent my little blue children but it has done enough for me to trust Bioware again, albeit cautiously. Still don't understand the significance of that planet the Normandy crashed on, apart from it being the Stargazer(s?) planet.

Apart from that, is it confirmed that Shepard does live, given specific conditions are met?

All that you get is "Hope" that they are together in the future, you'll have to use your own imagination (For something told on a digital median where you watch, not imagine..)

Here's an excerpt from a quote a Bioware Mod made:

TullyAckland wrote...

You may notice that in the “Shepard lives” ending, the love interest hesitates to place Shepard’s name on the wall, and instead looks up as though deep in thought. This is meant to suggest that the love interest is not ready to believe Shepard is dead, and the final scene reveals they are correct. As the Normandy lifts off, there is hope that the love interest and Shepard will again be together. 

Modifié par ussbones6, 26 juin 2012 - 02:06 .

[toptrv]

The EC endings are light years better than the original ones. Now Control and Synthesis actually make sense and that leaves Destroy as the least happy one. If only Destroy had that reunion part with crew and LI it would have had the same weight as the other two. Destroy was my favorite ending before because Shepard was at least alive and the endings were almost completely identical. Now that all of the endings feel different I believe if BioWare had made that reunion seen in Destroy a lot of people would have liked it.

[chuckles471]

I have to say this.

Hudson or Mac involved = used or discounted.

They should use ME3 as a lesson on how not to treat your core fans.

[levannar]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

EDIT: Oh, and Keiji's greybox comes to life so he and Kasumi can be together or some crap. What???

Are you serious? That's incredibly creepy.

SPOILERS

I feel like Colors of the Wind should be playing when this slide comes up.

Edit: Hey, look, that face is green. Just like synthesis lol.

So, let me get this straight. They could be bothered to make a slide about a DLC character getting reunited with her dead boyfriend, but a short scene with Shep/LI was absolutely off-limits.

Lovely.

[Ridwan]

Just watched destroy ending on youtube. I had low expectations and well... yeah it's not THAT bad as the ending was.

[blta]

I can't get rid of the feeling that IT was planned somehow, and is now scrapped and replaced by the 100% literal endings. :/ I actually liked the original endings for leaving room for interpretation (I admit, maybe they are just written very poorly, can't deny that), something that is impossible now.
I also don't like how this happy green synthesis space magic stuff is supposed to be the mega disney ending... does still not make any sense to me, how all synthetics can get at least partly organic and vice versa.

I really liked the IT. :/

[Vikali]

levannar wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

EDIT: Oh, and Keiji's greybox comes to life so he and Kasumi can be together or some crap. What???

Are you serious? That's incredibly creepy.

SPOILERS

I feel like Colors of the Wind should be playing when this slide comes up.

Edit: Hey, look, that face is green. Just like synthesis lol.

So, let me get this straight. They could be bothered to make a slide about a DLC character getting reunited with her dead boyfriend, but a short scene with Shep/LI was absolutely off-limits.

Lovely.

Considering that was art and not game rendered, how would they o about doing that for Shepard when everyone has a different one?

[JeosDinas]

Personally, I hate the notion of a LI reunion. And if that's the main thing that people really were clamoring for, I think they were dealing with the wrong series. Best leave it implied. Let the ending focus on the themes of hope and sacrifice than to wallow in saccharine nonsense for the sake of appeasing people's favorite ships.

[tamperous]

Thomas477 wrote...

I liked the EC, despite hating the originals.

Yes there wasn't a LI reunion and there werent my little blue children but it has done enough for me to trust Bioware again, albeit cautiously. Still don't understand the significance of that planet the Normandy crashed on, apart from it being the Stargazer(s?) planet.

Apart from that, is it confirmed that Shepard does live, given specific conditions are met?

Still the root problem with reunion exists. You have to commit a genocide to get it. I would not IRL kill an entire race to just to reunite with my LI, Having a video game contrive a choice so that's the only way it could happen is not my idea of any type of happy ending. It's just an ending.

[cgvhjb]

I only post this again because I'm curious what people think.

Anyway personally I would have loved it if the refusal option would have ended with the united fleets slowly turning the tide of battle and pushing back the reapers until there was a full route going on and the Star Child/Catalyst only then realizing that his assumptions of what Organic/Synthetic life are actually capable of were wrong and he had been committing genocide under false assumptions. He'd be staggered by the implications of this and the sheer scope of his mistake and Shepard would walk over to him and have some great line about how life is about overcoming the odds and surpassing your limitations. The Catalyst would then vow to make things right in whatever way it could and leave to try and restore the harvested races/civilizations on uninhabited planets across the galaxy giving birth to a even more astounding and amazing future with all of those in it.

Or something along those lines, something that shows that Shepard is more than just a plot device who can conveniently use a deus ex machina solution to a problem. He got everyone where they are and damn it he's going to finish things on his own terms standing on his own two feet, now that would have been kinda awesome.

[levannar]

Vikali wrote...

levannar wrote...

So, let me get this straight. They could be bothered to make a slide about a DLC character getting reunited with her dead boyfriend, but a short scene with Shep/LI was absolutely off-limits.

Lovely.

Considering that was art and not game rendered, how would they o about doing that for Shepard when everyone has a different one?

That's why I said "scene". As in, game rendered. Of course, they could've gone for art as well, and avoid showing Shepard's face, but people would whine about that, so I can understand why they didn't do it.

[LazyTechGuy]

I actually like the idea that you can't defeat the Reapers with brute force. You just can't. They have a pretty big head start on life. I know you want to shoot the Reapers in the face, but you can't. You have to beat them by going to the source (oh... now the Matrix connection is coming into play).

[Sia_Sinblade]

tamperous wrote...

Thomas477 wrote...

I liked the EC, despite hating the originals.

Yes there wasn't a LI reunion and there werent my little blue children but it has done enough for me to trust Bioware again, albeit cautiously. Still don't understand the significance of that planet the Normandy crashed on, apart from it being the Stargazer(s?) planet.

Apart from that, is it confirmed that Shepard does live, given specific conditions are met?

Still the root problem with reunion exists. You have to commit a genocide to get it. I would not IRL kill an entire race to just to reunite with my LI, Having a video game contrive a choice so that's the only way it could happen is not my idea of any type of happy ending. It's just an ending.

Sorry, but I just have to chime in here.

You don't commit genocide to see your LI.

You commit genocide to save the entire galaxy. Big difference, IMHO.

Other than that, haven't played the new endings yet. Wait and see.

[Mobius-Silent]

Aurvant wrote...

The Synthesis, while a much better written ending this time around, still makes noooo sense at all. How does a beam of green light give synthetic structures DNA and create organic hybrids? DUNNO.

How does it make organics part synthetic through genetic alteration? DUNNO.

It's better than it was, but only in execution. Not in substance.

The same way the Arca monolith converts flesh into Reaper tech in a flash of light, y'know tech we already know exists because the reapers have it. The same way the reaper nanotech mist can break down organic matter and maintain it's usefullness and even the memory of the individual.

Couple that with the Mass relays sending the effect across the Galaxy, its not really much different fromt he Tech we already know about.

And the Synthetics gained emotions and self-determination, for them it was a code modification, brought on by the hardware modification that rebased their platforms of the revised structure.

IMHO it'm _much_ better explained this time around.