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[Apollo Starflare]

So far the thing that kinda bugs me about all this, is that it feels like it can't decide whether to stick with the original vision or retcon it heavily. I mean, changing the Normandy being stranded and the relays being broken is a pretty big departure from the original ending, despite them making a point of saying they wouldn't actually change anything.

And yet despite changing those things it stubbornly refuses to clarify or alter certain things which are, perhaps, more deserving of being revised.

I'm still very thankful to BioWare for putting out this content for free, and there is some gold in there, however far too much of it is still just as muddled, lacking in clarity and inconsistent as ever and I find myself thinking up my own version of the ending and discarding the one presented to me once again. A shame.

[crimsontotem]

SO i am still waiting to download this stuff... so I am in love with ME series and kinda want to know if this would just bring little bit of hope to future of this franchise... would it?

[Dranks]

Well I'm just chiming in to say that I thought it was great. Now I think I will reinstall all my PC copies and play them through.

[Geneaux486]

Bendigoe wrote...

Question, in destroy why can't we just fix the Geth or EDI, the Starchild heavily implies that all technology destroyed by the burst...wave...thing can be repaired easily.
Synthetics are comprised of technology, the only thing they probably wouldn't retain is memories...?

Because they wouldn't have their memories.  Statistically it's far more likely that the new synthetics would be hostile to organics like the ones in all of the previous cycles were.

[Subject M]

LTKerr wrote...

Subject M wrote...

I think part of the reason why we did not see a reunion is part of the original intent or "vision" of the ending.
It was supposed to be the "worst" ending from a certain point of view and perhaps they did not want to be the ones telling a story about committing genocide of your allies would result in Shepard "getting the girl" and living happy ever after.

I don't want Shepard to become a damn blue God, it's wrong in any way. Besides, I thought Mass Effect were a realistic science fiction series, I don't see how an electrocuted and carbonized person can still exists and then control giant squids. Uhh... no.

I don't need to merge every organic and synthetic to consider synthetics as living beings. I already considered EDI and the Geth alive since ME2, I don't need green space magic. What I need is the synthetics being treated as organics by the galactic comunity: put the Geth in the Council, give them the same "human rights", do whatever it takes that symbolizes this treatment. Each race is unique and perfect as it is, it's this diversity what makes the whole universe beautiful. If I choose the synthesis option, I'm breaking this perfection, I'm ruining the most beatiful thing about diversity: diversity itself.

So there's only the red one left. It seems Bioware can't understand that with the other two options they are breaking the series themes. In fact, EDI and Geth die in this option just because Bioware wanted to add some kind of punishment in the most obvious option. I played 100 hours wanting to destroy the reapers even if I believed they are alive and have the right to live. 100 hours... you can call it determination. They could reward this determination like a lot of movies/books/real life do.

Synthesis does not automatically mean more homogenization of the galaxy then what remains after killing of all synthetics. Krogan are have still unique krogan features, Quearians are still different then humans etc.

[AchesOfDoom]

Question : EDI doesn't still exist in Normandy as an AI? I thought that she only controlled Eve's body...

Modifié par AchesOfDoom, 26 juin 2012 - 03:51 .

[WastedHeart]

Subject M wrote...

WastedHeart wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

WastedHeart wrote...

I completely disagree that destroy only has one advantage over the others. In synthesis you have still forced the entire galaxy to become synthetic/organic hybrids and not everyone is going to be happy about that. And in control you have to presume that Shepard will be able to control the Reapers forevermore and that people will be happy with the Reapers still being around. Destroy comprehensively ends the threat without having to alter life as we know it in any way and, imo, is what most of the galaxy would have chosen given the option. The geth dying is awful, but that doesn't mean destroy doesn't have certain other advantages over the other ends that have nothing to do with Shepard living.

I don't disagree.

If you believe that picking Destroy is the best option because you don't want to do the hybrid thing or because you're afraid that Control won't end well, then you get to have your cake and eat it too: you get the ending you prefer and you get to live. Everything's coming up millhouse.

I only disagree when people claim that picking destroy is the only way to save the galaxy. It's firmly established that it isn't, so I get frustrated when people say "but trillions would have died if I didn't pick Destroy." That part isn't true.

If you picked Destroy knowing that it wasn't the only possible solution but feeling that the downsides of the other two possible choices were worse, I respect that completely. It's people who speak as if not choosing destory means the Reapers win that I take issue with.

Also, if you think that destroy is just as valid on its own merits as the other endings, then why should Shepard living be correlated with that particular ending? People keep saying that if Shepard lived in any ending other than destroy, that would be "bad," but if Destroy is fine on its own merits, why is that the case?

If I were to guess (because it can only be a guess), I would say it is because BioWare originally intended destroy to be the renegady organics first end. So then it makes sense that Shepard lives only in that one. But a lot of people (including me) don't pick it for that reason. Even if my Shep died in destroy, I'd still choose it because I simply can't quite stomach aspects of the other two. I believe in people having the freedom to make their own destinies and so does my canon Shep, and the majority of the galaxy's races (minus the geth) can do just that in the destroy end without the Reapers' shadow hanging over them anymore . Plus, my Shepard has no God complex so would find it difficult to believe she could control the Reapers for any period of time (nor would she want to) or to believe that she had any right to fundamentally alter all life in the galaxy.

Also, personally I'd have no problem with Shep living somehow in all three. But even if she did, I'd still pick destroy.

I understand, but isnt killing all synthetics, and thus robbing them of everything (not just their freedom) a more grave offence then adding a synthetic element to everyone?

Not to me because I see it as the loss of just one race so the rest can be free. In synthesis everyone is forced through a change that no-one asked for, and there is no way imo that they would all be okay with that. There is nothing in the game to suggest, for example, that the geth want to be part organic. They're happy as they are. And so are organics.

I understand if you have a different opinion from me, but that is how I personally see things.

[Vox Draco]

LolaLei wrote...

Vox Draco wrote...

AchesOfDoom wrote...

If Shepard reunites with LI...I will give Bioware full credtis (hehe). Seriously that would be awsome!

As it seems from the current information, this will literally only happen in your dreams aka "headcanon"

Well... they seemed to be leaving the planet so by that point I can only presume the relays were fixed... or at least some of them. Since Shepard lives in the destroy cutscene then I guess they'll all get reunited again... eventually.

As I said, you have to make up this reunion by yourself, in your head. Just like before the EC...so much for closure and clarification...

[ArchDuck]

crimsontotem wrote...

SO i am still waiting to download this stuff... so I am in love with ME series and kinda want to know if this would just bring little bit of hope to future of this franchise... would it?

Depends how desperate you are for closure.

It makes it passable but not great.

Best I can say is that it will make it not as hopeless.

[Geneaux486]

Subject M wrote...
Synthesis does not automatically mean more homogenization of the galaxy then what remains after killing of all synthetics. Krogan are have still unique krogan features, Quearians are still different then humans etc.

Exactly.  If people really have such a huge problem with synthesis you'd think they'd just... not choose it. 

[Bendigoe]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Bendigoe wrote...

Question, in destroy why can't we just fix the Geth or EDI, the Starchild heavily implies that all technology destroyed by the burst...wave...thing can be repaired easily.
Synthetics are comprised of technology, the only thing they probably wouldn't retain is memories...?

Because they wouldn't have their memories.  Statistically it's far more likely that the new synthetics would be hostile to organics like the ones in all of the previous cycles were.

The Geth weren't hostile, the Quarians were.

[ArchDuck]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Bendigoe wrote...

Question, in destroy why can't we just fix the Geth or EDI, the Starchild heavily implies that all technology destroyed by the burst...wave...thing can be repaired easily.
Synthetics are comprised of technology, the only thing they probably wouldn't retain is memories...?

Because they wouldn't have their memories.  Statistically it's far more likely that the new synthetics would be hostile to organics like the ones in all of the previous cycles were.

I have never seen any proof supporting such a statement.

[Korley1811]

It's alot better but still garbage. They just released what should have come with the game in the first place. It will help me play through again, so at least there's that, but still, the choice endings scenario just sucks.

[phototed]

I liked the ending and this is what I felt should have been there in the first place. Still some holes, but you know what? I still wanted a rebuttal to the star child about when child states that the "creation with revolt against the creator," with "quarians were finally able to achieve peace with the geth. It took hard work and sacrifice, but we did it."

I would have loved a full reunification of the LI and shep, but, love during war really is difficult. There comes a time when it has to be sacrificed. And when Joker is told they just had to go, no one wanted to leave Shep there, but, they had to. If they had died waiting for Shep, how would that make Shep feel (if he lived,...in the destroy ending)

And in the destroy ending, some remorse from Joker from EDI 's death.

This is what the original ending should have been.

Modifié par phototed, 26 juin 2012 - 03:54 .

[KnifeForkAndSpoon]

Dranks wrote...

Now I think I will reinstall all my PC copies and play them through.

Yeah same. I'm reinstalling ME3 now.

[Geneaux486]

Bendigoe wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Bendigoe wrote...

Question, in destroy why can't we just fix the Geth or EDI, the Starchild heavily implies that all technology destroyed by the burst...wave...thing can be repaired easily.
Synthetics are comprised of technology, the only thing they probably wouldn't retain is memories...?

Because they wouldn't have their memories.  Statistically it's far more likely that the new synthetics would be hostile to organics like the ones in all of the previous cycles were.

The Geth weren't hostile, the Quarians were.

And that doesn't contradict what I said.

[Subject M]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Bendigoe wrote...

Question, in destroy why can't we just fix the Geth or EDI, the Starchild heavily implies that all technology destroyed by the burst...wave...thing can be repaired easily.
Synthetics are comprised of technology, the only thing they probably wouldn't retain is memories...?

Because they wouldn't have their memories.  Statistically it's far more likely that the new synthetics would be hostile to organics like the ones in all of the previous cycles were.

Its true that it would seem they could not be restored as the unique information-signature that constituted minds have been destroyed and can not be recreated. You can not unscramble an egg.

[twinsfun]

mine is 52% downloaded from what I hear its not good

[ArchDuck]

I have decided the best way to tell them that their game is still ****ty is not to shred the game and send it to them in the mail (my original thought) but to give the game to someone else. Thus depriving Bioware/EA of a possible sale.

[mrbauxjangles]

twinsfun wrote...

mine is 52% downloaded from what I hear its not good

Honestly it is alright Nothing bad nothing good. Still leaves plotholes depending on the ending but it atleast gives you more dialogue which is nice I would say it is a D+ to C- for a rating on it

[ArchDuck]

KnifeForkAndSpoon wrote...

Dranks wrote...

Now I think I will reinstall all my PC copies and play them through.

Yeah same. I'm reinstalling ME3 now.

Huh opposite of my reaction. Actually uninstalling ME1 & 2 right now.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Subject M wrote...

I understand, but isnt killing all synthetics, and thus robbing them of everything (not just their freedom) a more grave offence then adding a synthetic element to everyone?

You aren't just "adding a synthetic element to everyone."  You are embracing the very notion that synthetics and organics are doomed to never coexist peacefully, the very thing that the Reapers have been enforcing needlessly for millions of years.  If you don't agree with the Reapers, the only two logical solutions are Destroy and Reject.

[Lone Triarii]

Was there actually any new stuff before the beam? Because I didn’t notice any.

[wicked_being]

AchesOfDoom wrote...

Question : EDI doesn't still exist in Normandy as an AI? I thought that she only controlled Eve's body...

Ahh I was wondering about this too. When EDI occupied Eva's body, didn't the Normandy shut down or as the crew said they were "dead in the water"? Even Joker couldn't do anything then. So if EDI died as a result of the red beam, shouldn't they be stranded in that jungle planet? Kind of weird since they took off like it was nothing.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Bendigoe wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Bendigoe wrote...

Question, in destroy why can't we just fix the Geth or EDI, the Starchild heavily implies that all technology destroyed by the burst...wave...thing can be repaired easily.
Synthetics are comprised of technology, the only thing they probably wouldn't retain is memories...?

Because they wouldn't have their memories.  Statistically it's far more likely that the new synthetics would be hostile to organics like the ones in all of the previous cycles were.

The Geth weren't hostile, the Quarians were.

And that doesn't contradict what I said.

Yes it does.  If organics can learn from their past mistakes and accept that synthetic life is not a threat, they will not be the aggressor, and synthetics won't have a need to rebel.